Eidos Share Discussion Threads

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 12:38

if people felt eidos had a future, they wouldn't be selling............. and the share wouldn't be crashing......................they want rogers out!

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 12:37

get rogers out...................can't you guys see, no one wants rogers..........

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 12:32

david bennett gordon bennett lol lol lol lol lol

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 11:59

lol. never mind the largest lols of the day

[darrens] 31/12/2008 11:06

I think SCi made a profit two years in a row (before they bought Eidos). I can't remember if Eidos ever made a profit two years in a row but I don't think this century.

However, to be honest I'm not sure that looking at the history is going to be that relevant. This year it's certainly possible they can make a profit (with a following wind for the rest of the schedule) but next year I'm not even sure what's due for release.

[davidbennett] 31/12/2008 11:05

Time for a punt at these ridiculous prices (or so I think)

Bought a cheap 100k at 16.25

Fingers crossed.

[eric76] 31/12/2008 10:19

These do look cheap initially at 16.25p but its still a £42m marketcap so they do need a decent profit to justify that and they need to make a profit the following year too surely? Have sci (sorry just can't say eidos its a marrick thing) ever made a profit 2 years on the trot?

[darrens] 31/12/2008 09:45

loc, yes I know we aren't far apart but I feel pretty strongly that the release date of TRU showed really poor judgement on the part of Eidos (I keep wanting to write SCi) and the fact that it wasn't a total disaster doesn't vindicate the decision imho.

I know you aren't disagreeing with me, I just probably feel it a little stronger than you.

I wish all the people contributing to this BB all the best for the New Year. It promises to be an interesting 2009.

[daveyjones2] 31/12/2008 09:28

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what a marvellous post - where is the curry

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 09:21

what a marvellous post - where is the curry.

[daveyjones2] 31/12/2008 09:13

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wheres the curry toggle?

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 08:53

Am I anyones arch enemy????????????????? lol. lol. heh heh heh. lol

[the crypt] 31/12/2008 08:12

i think its time rogers get out, go go rogers go go . lol lol.

[kooba] 30/12/2008 22:22

Today Eidos released the second free costume pack for Tomb Rader: Underworld, giving spelunkers two wet-suit outfits to choose from while they're exploring the dark caves of their mind. OOOooooooo.

The file to download for both outfits comes in at 61.79MB and the costumes can be selected in Treasure Hunt mode, or will be selectable when you start a new level in your current game. You gotta love a company that gives us the option of outfitting Lara Croft in tight rubber.

great news for shareholders!!!

[life of crime] 30/12/2008 19:29

Fair enough darren, you are pushing at an open door. Late Oct would have suited me fine - far enough away from the scrum but close enough to pick up a few extra sales at Xmas, because of the brand recognitioon.

Let's hope TRU does the business for all our sakes, so the share price recovers from this ridiculous level.

All the best for 09 to all the serious contributors on this BB.

[kooba] 30/12/2008 18:08

hanging in there nicely...if that was representative of wider market now that would be something.

[yellow_snow] 30/12/2008 17:31

TRU up to no.6 from 9 in UK, 5 in full price. At 6 in both PS3 and X360 charts, 25 on Wii and 12 on PC. Certainly impressive for UK at least.

[darrens] 30/12/2008 15:00

loc, well it probably was the best week ever but the console versions of TRU were the 23rd and 30th best selling SKUs (by value) that week. And it's UK performance looks to be the best of any territory.

The truth is we'll never know how it would have done had it been released outside the peak window (and actually we don't know it has done being released in the window) but the point has been proven time and time again (MGS, GTA, etc) that you can release a top franchise at another time of year and still get bumper sales.

I just believe (but can't prove) that TRU would have sold far more had it been released outside of the peak window.

[life of crime] 30/12/2008 13:57

I think we half agree on TRU, darren, ie we both agree that Sep or Oct would have been preferable but disagree that the Xmas release has had any merit. I think (hope) that the increased volumes at this time of year will be reflected in strong sales. MCV reported that the week before last was the 8th best ever for game sales in the UK, despite the recession, with last week expected to be even better. We shall see.

[darrens] 30/12/2008 12:04

loc, well I disagree entirely that they were justified in launching TRU into the Christmas window. I remain absolutely convinced that it would have made more money for them had they released it either early September (if it was ready) or early 2009.

The fact that it kept its head above water (UK > Europe > US) at Christmas makes me even more positive that it would have been a huge hit released at another time of year.

As things currently stand I think Batman is their key title (potential multi-million), JC2 and BS:P could do 1m with a following wind, CM will do okay-ish and they should probably cancel Shellshock.

Perhaps in the trading statement they'll also update us on the release schedule.

[life of crime] 30/12/2008 11:55

Darren, agreed re the Eidos situation, ie still alive. That is better than how I saw it at the end of Nov, when the first week of sales looked very dicey. It needed to hold up well and has done so. It seems to have justifed the mangement's decision to risk the competion in favour of wider sales at this time of year, but I still think TR9 should come out in Oct 2010, or Apr 2011 or Oct 2011, to reduce the risk.

I think they have done enough to secure sufficient funds for a decent launch of the upcoming titles. We agree that JC2, BS:P and Batman should perform, although I am sceptical as to whether the latter will make it by the planned June date.

Provided the former two match the previous iterations' numbers (ie 1M and 600K respectively) and Shellshock and CM09 can achieve 500K to 1M between them (which I'm hopeful of) then Batman could slip into 09/10 and they should still make a decent profit this year, provided TRU has hit between 2-3M. That scenario may not be a bad thing, as it would get next year off to a strong start.

[darrens] 30/12/2008 11:31

kooba, well, firstly ignore any buyout talks. There's never going to be a premium in the price for a buyout unless there are specific rumours/news indicating something.

And given the times we live in I don't think a buyout is particularly likely anyway.

In terms of the current price then it is simply drifting on incredibly low volumes so you can almost ignore the price on these sort of volumes unless you're looking to buy/sell.

Looking wider, then valuations for VG publishers are in the toilet. Perhaps rightly. I won't bore everybody but I think the publishers are under a lot of pressure some of it self-inflicted and some because of external factors. This is going to weigh on Eidos to some degree.

Also, while I think TRU has done okay, that's still subject to confirmation from Eidos. There's still a lot of uncertainty about exactly how many it sold worldwide (and at what price) so I can't see any of that being factored into the share price without confirmation from Eidos.

I'm expressing a personal opinion (as one who saw this as life and death for Eidos) that I think it looks like they're still alive.

[kooba] 30/12/2008 11:18

thanks for our thoughts darren i am slightly surprised that the price has not responded better to the fact that the risk of underworld being a flop are gone and that assuming the company can stand on it's own financial feet for the medium term the chance of getting a reasonable price for the business assuming one of the lerking predators makes a move are greater.also to any potential predator the worth of the tr i.p. has not depleted as much as some thought.still difficult to see a "independent" listed future here though.