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[supersonico] 20/11/2020 19:26

Mick...What did the Discovery documents show in the Bayer/Roundup case about Monsanto front groups, ghost writing , scientific fraud , scientist discrediting, captured regulators , jury tampering,.?

Did you follow it? like you followed the Assange case ? it looks like you did.

Do you think Monsanto's behaviour was a one off?

This tells us it's endemic.

EcoHealth Alliance orchestrated key scientists’ statement on “natural origin” of SARS-CoV-2



Do you see the pattern yet.

If your still sceptical of there motives watch the 73 year old Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi most quoted Microbiologist in Germany tell you what he thinks.



or you can carry on reading the same press that intentionally misinformed you about Assange.

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@SidneyPowell1
says The servers was confiscated the other day and she’s hearing it was our forces that got them.

[33mick] 20/11/2020 18:13

More than 110,000 people are now dying from measles every year. The WHO, the health arm of the United Nations, has listed vaccine hesitancy as one of the top 10 threats to global health in 2019

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These tragic numbers are caused by the growing fear and mistrust of vaccines—amplified by internet doomsayers. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.—Joe and Kathleen’s brother and Maeve’s uncle—is part of this campaign to attack the institutions committed to reducing the tragedy of preventable infectious diseases. He has helped to spread dangerous misinformation over social media and is complicit in sowing distrust of the science behind vaccines.



Please stick to topics related to Eden...not speading false information.....

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 15:08

Well it is related ..sort of Brucie

Swiss curtains :)

Sorry

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 15:05

Well let's stick to Eden...
Results expected....
At least we can always rely on that!

[33mick] 20/11/2020 15:04

I bet all the 100's of people who stumped up his bail money ...how many £100,000s ???? and lost it share your thoughts too.. strangely mostly all women!

[33mick] 20/11/2020 14:37

You won't get any sense out of Super at the moment Bruice...it's been a very tuff week on planet Sonico.

Someone had the nerve to ask for Understandable English insted of the "ever clever cryptic" tosh

Links to ambulance chancing loony lawyers
Autism causes by vaccines..no it's not
Now an Assange fan club member...he's a wanted rapist! That's according to Sweden not witch hunting BBC..

I think you ought to stick to rubbing your crystal ball about! Eden and maybe we could claim a bit of lockdown cabin fever in your defence.

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 14:22

Neither Dominion (whose name suggests to me the labour of a rather bad conspiracy script writer. I could have done better. ) nor Rudy's hair arrangements are of any interest to me, tbh. As for Rudy, he's fallen a long way since he was hero of the hour in 2001. His willingness alone to be Trump's attorney calls both integrity and judgement into question. You will recall the fate of Trump's earlier lawyer, and Giuliani knows full well the character of his client.
If I was to chose a conspiracy it would be that Trump knows full well he's lost but is seeking to put off the inevitable for as long as possible, while railing up his base, to secure his power base in the GoP, who are already beholden for the blue collar votes he delivers. Furthermore he may even be a bit frightened of the financial state of his hotel based real estate empire, largely underpinned by huge debt, which has enabled him not to pay taxes for years. Jail time a real possibility.

And that's my conspiracy. How do you like it?

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 14:08

Brucie,
So did you see Dominion before Rudy's Hair Dye? or was it me who alerted you to that?

Yes I to had faith in the Guardian until they shat on Assange and I share your aversion to the news sites you reference.

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 14:00

supersonico20 Nov '20 - 13:42 - 8367 of 8367
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Brucie5,

It's also not my problem your algorithms only point you one way, eg your hearing about Rudy's hair dye not Dominion.
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Well, algorithms are indeed an interesting and dangerous aspect of our times, where we are simply pointed to more of what we already believe. It's a prime example of where capitalism, enabled by the internet, corrupts democracy, which relies on some measure of wisdom residing in the greater number of voters. Some would say that the 2016 Referendum is a prime example, as exposed by Carole Cadwallader, who is being sued for her pains.
But regarding my own ownership by algorithms, that may account for the fact that I have not been guided to Alex Jennings' InfoWars, nor to the website of David Icke, not indeed to Sun, Daily Express, Daily Mail... I could go on. They know I'm not interested, just as certain kinds of salespeople know I'll just give them a thick ear if they try to sell me something I don't need and certainly don't believe it.

On the other hand, it's true I gravitate by default to the BBC (fact checked as a public service broadcaster) and the Guardian, which is at times highly tendentious, but yes, to my way of seeing the world, as a whole. (Though not always). And to the FT at weekends.

And then of course to innumerable financial sites, including this one, where my algorithms have decided I should engage for a while with a poster whose intelligence I respect, but whose views on this particular subject I find severely out of kilter with my perception of her other posts.

All in all it makes for an interesting and diverse list of exposures.
Happy to be owned by that kind of algorithm.
;)

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 13:42

Brucie5,

Piffle is that a greek savoury Trifle?:)

Fair enough but this guy has the same concerns.



Further ..Covid is not a Hoax but the PCR tests are. They are being used as a so called scientific basis for the Lockdown and potential rushed mass vaccination when only 1% need protection. All from vaccine companies with full indemnity from damages.

It's also not my problem your algorithms only point you one way, eg your hearing about Rudy's hair dye not Dominion.

However I do like your ironic 'widely recognised' comment.

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 13:02

Super, that's piffle. Everything that the guy 'claims' could with far more legitimacy be claimed for the other side. The problem with media in the US and increasingly everywhere, is that you can find something to exactly reflect your own prejudices. Fox news has been a prime example, except now that Murdoch has decided to ditch Trump, it is now seen as being on the Dark side.

We actually need better media, that is fact checked. Partisanship is inevitable, but unchecked lies should be contested. I'm sure you agree.

So I come back to the basic, self-evident fact that Trump is a notorious liar. Seven of his former henchmen are either in jail, have been in jail or are facing charges. the last one of course, is Steve Bannon, charged with embezzling funds intended for the infamous 'wall'. Trump is also counter-factual, on practically everything from climate change to quack cures for COVID, which of course he first branded a 'hoax'. Furthermore, he actively encourages conspiracies, like Q.Anon, which are deeply pernicious.

In conclusion, lies, counter-factuality and the encouragement of baseless conspiracies are not a great basis for an overthrow of an election result, which has been widely recognised as legitimate.

I'll say no more, but just wanted to challenge what has been either said or implied by that link.

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 12:30

JP looks at How a civil war could start;

[investingisatrickygame] 20/11/2020 12:06

Brucie5

I think we all know that Politicians lie en masse or at least seem to, don't they. We've had our own problems here in the UK right down to expenses scandals. Africa seems to be politically corrupt, South America. Probably easier to identify a country where Politicans don't lie?

The primary difference for me with Trump is he isn't a Politician and doesn't act like one. He plays to the ordinary guy on the street and with that population growing because the rich are getting richer, he is, in my opinion, bound to be popular. That can only grow further as middle class jobs will also get sacrificed in the technical advancements that are taking place.

I suspect many are sick of Politicians and the same old and so, if his law team is correct and irrefutable evidence does come out in Court resulting in the capitulation of the political elite, wouldn't that be a good thing?

Let's face it, if they don't produce the required evidence, Biden is President and Trump is no longer, so what is there to lose.

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 12:02

Ditto Weywey,
I'm no Trump fan but what is being defended here by the Trump Lawyers is about the fairness and probity of the democratic system.

That perception of fairness and trust in the system is fragile especially at the moment. It's crucial for the sake of all Americans that trust is maintained and the rule of law is maintained by thorough investigation and dismissal if necessary in a law court of the evidence to the contrary.

[weyweyumfozo] 20/11/2020 11:54

I don't believe a word Trump says, but that doesn't mean that there isn't something dodgy with the Dominion voting machines.

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 11:44

Fair points. But on Trump I guess we must agree to differ. Lies are his default, and so he attracts people to his side who are either like him, opportunistic, or conspiracy minded, or else purely naive. There are plenty such. and he has been proclaiming for some time that he would never accept a verdict that went against him. He said the same in 2016, though that changed when he won.

Kind of makes it difficult to believe a word he says.

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 11:31

supersonico20 Nov '20 - 09:40 - 8356 of 8358
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I suggest you watch the whole video Brucie.
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Moon landing, 9/11, anti-vaccers, corn circles and Trumpian conspiracy theories. Tbh, life's too short.

I mean no offence, because I know you to be highly intelligent, but if you you haven't got a sense of who Trump is by now, then I guess you're likely to believe whatever he says. And let's face it, he lies endlessly.

On that I hope we can agree?

I also happen to think he's an extremely dangerous man: not just for the US, but the Free world, and for the Planet.

But I'll leave it at that.

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 10:59

Last week Rep. Louie Gohmert told Chris Salcedo on Newsmax that people on the ground in Germany report that Scytl, which hosted elections data improperly through Spain, was raided by a large US ARMY force and their servers were seized in Frankfurt.

[supersonico] 20/11/2020 10:44

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[supersonico] 20/11/2020 09:40

I suggest you watch the whole video Brucie.

The Venezuela voting machines are of particular interest.

[weyweyumfozo] 20/11/2020 09:38

Meet Lord Malloch Brown: The British Hand Behind The Coup To Oust Trump:

"....Dominion Voting Systems is a Canadian company which dominates the USA’s private computerized voting systems and is closely tied to another larger company called Smartmatic.

For those still out of the loop, Smartmatic furnishes voting machines and its software (backdoor codes and all) to governments all around the world and is highly enmeshed with the Clinton Foundation, Soros’ Open Society and Nancy Pelosi’s very own Chief of Staff."



dominion | dəˈmɪnjən |
noun
1 [mass noun] sovereignty or control: man's attempt to establish dominion over nature.

Origin:

Middle English: via Old French from medieval Latin dominio(n-), from Latin dominium, from dominus ‘lord, master’.

I'm keeping an open mind on this story, but fancy naming the software Dominion. They don't even try and hide what it does.

[brucie5] 20/11/2020 09:27

Do you two really believe that Trump has a case? The man who is entirely happy to be supported by QANON, on the basis that he doesn't know enough about them to criticise?
But perhaps I misunderstand you.

Seems to me the crisis in the US is a president who always said he would only accept a the outcome of the presidential election were he the candidate to be returned.