Advanced Oncotherapy Share Discussion Threads

[daijavu] 02/12/2016 12:32

That is a bit different to the sort of information they provided when they were employed by AVO. Were they being dishonest then or are they being dishonest now?

[waterloo01] 02/12/2016 11:28

Late 2018 earliest. Ouch from the corporate broker

[daijavu] 02/12/2016 11:05

While I agree with you that the share price will probably drift down in the absence of news, it is virtually impossible to call the bottom. We may already have hit it. Notification of a successfully completed test is likely to push the price up despite the problems with Sinophi and might even trigger a bid.

[werty5] 01/12/2016 23:53

Agree with both of you regarding the benefits of the avo light machine and how huge the market will be if and when avo eventually launch it.Where I differ slightly and why I have taken my money off the table at least for now is the question marks that hang over the company are numerous and the bod up until this point have failed in my view at least to address any of them. I am hoping that in quarter one next year some of the skeletons can be put to rest with a market update but as an investor I personally can see no reason putting my money here because until the questions have been addressed the price will languish in my opinion.I am not talking AVO down I think they have a world class product and I am reasonably sure long term things will workout well. I make no secret of the fact that I am hoping to buy back in at a reduced price which I am fairly sure I will get while uncertainty reigns.

[daijavu] 01/12/2016 23:04

The reference to developing other cancer radiotherapy treatments was in one of the interviews a while back given by the former head of CERN's medical applications. I would have to dig through to find the name of the treatment but the intention seemed to be to use something like the LIGHT machine but with a beam with different properties that would treat cancers that existing radiotherapies cannot. He said that AVO planned to develop it after the LIGHT machine was fully up and running.

Both LIGHT and the other technology that AVO is sitting on were developed at CERN.

[adealsiddiq110] 01/12/2016 22:44

I couldn't agree any more with you Daijavu.I remember a while back shortly after I invested I saw a post re what it has to offer and it was all about its technology, looking at the figures for now is a total waste of time and ireelivent to what the end goal should be. This share is for the real investors who are patient and believe in what they have invested in (well I know I stress test prior to purchasing any share, research, research and research again then buy). If you are going to disbelieve at every opportunity then you have to ask yourself am I in the right share, this is for the investors who are looking to be patient and see some potentially very good results and returns. This in my eyes could easily be paying a nice Divi and the share price well, let's put it this way unless we can cure cancer for good it will keep going up as the demand will increase.I'm not sure if you are aware they also have a side machine prototype.cannot exactly remember what it was, that is in the pipeline after the successful launch of the proton beam. Again that tells me it has potential and it is a forward thinking team behind the technology who know what they are doing.

[daijavu] 01/12/2016 22:30

It needn't even be a company already in the business. There are some pretty big entities out there with lots of cash that are looking for places to invest where they could make a lot more. The LIGHT machine could be the sort of thing they might be interested in.

It could make all the discussion about the viability of AVO and the effectiveness of its management meaningless.

AVO is all about its technology but Tom Witterington just cannot see it. He cannot see beyond the balance sheet.

[adealsiddiq110] 01/12/2016 22:15

Hello DaijavuI have always read your posts and gave you credit for your input here, today you have summed up exactly what I'm thinking and would like to see.Happy to see a like minded investor with the same end goal.

[daijavu] 01/12/2016 22:10

Adealsiddiq110. I couldn't have put it better. You are right. The company could be more transparent but some posters are making unnecessary noises that are not helping the company, themselves or the rest of us. I fully agree with you about a possible bidding war once the machine has been fully tested and proven to work and sell. I would prefer that AVO remains independent so that we could have the benefits of its full potential but that might not happen. The big boys could be fighting to outbid each other when they know that the LIGHT system works and is definitely a world beater. A large company with deep pockets could take the production of LIGHT to a whole new dimension very quickly and produce a much larger number a year. Whoever gets the AVO technology and patents could dominate the global market because AVO's LIGHT machine will not only make existing proton therapy machines obsolete but the thousands of photon therapy machines as well and create its own much larger market for proton therapy on top of that. Who knows how much a large company might pay to get their hands on it.

All my own opinion, of course. Everyone must do their own research.

[rawroast] 01/12/2016 21:54

Yeah! All those noisy people should just shut up and bend over. Vaseline is optional.

[adealsiddiq110] 01/12/2016 21:07

Ladies and Gents,I am a silent follower of this thread and invested quite some time ago in this share.I just wanted to highlight that trying to create technology is not easy especially what Avo are doing, what I call creating technology of the future. Keeping in mind the cost saving and space saving elements to this machine, I would have thought majority of the investors in this share would have already inticipated teething problems and lack of sales until closer to the launch of the machine. So I am failing to understand most of the noise that is being caused. Harley Street - well it has been the centre of attention for a while especially pre planning approval, since it has passed that stage now what we need to remember is that the building will need to be tailor made for such equipment to be installed especially if it going to be referred to in sales pitches, no doubt it will.What we also need to remember is that even if we get one machine up and running in Harley street it is like having a brand of its own considering Harley Street is the go to area for expensive and posh treatments and is well known for only having the best bases there.I agree that the managment team need to be more transparent with the shareholders, afterall it is our money they are using, however we need to cut them some slack and give them a chance to deal with the issue in hand. Personally I rather them focus on the technical aspect then spoonfeeding me as my rewards will be once the machine is fully working.We as shareholders or thread users are not helping the situation by all the noise in the background, if anything are making this share look less worthy of an investment from others. We should be looking at the bigger picture and that is once the machine is operational.Do not forget an operational machine could end up with a bidding war from the bigger companies. I don't believe the story has changed from what it has been and we are causing the share price to lower by making this share look less worthy.Well I have topped up on my holding which has helped me average down my share price aswell.

[barnetpeter] 01/12/2016 15:55

hxxp://www.shareprophets.com/views/25658/advanced-oncotherapy-sinophi-denial-throws-up-more-red-flags-this-stinks-more-and-more

Advanced Oncotherapy - Sinophi denial throws up more red flags: this stinks more and more -

[igbertsponk] 01/12/2016 09:38

Problem I suspect is that its all a domino effect - once the true date is known the financing needs to be re-done, and no doubt all the loan providers need to sign up.... can of worms. Add to that the China shambles and the CEO has his hands full juggling.
The word omnishambles comes to mind...

[waterloo01] 01/12/2016 09:28

That's about it. Still they have not given a potential open date for Harley St just when building work is likely to be complete. If they are going to give a fess up RNS, then come fully clean!

[igbertsponk] 01/12/2016 09:03

So essentially yesterday's update says "Yup, all that you investors have found out is correct, and we know we need to give you a timeline and therefore....err... give us another 4 months at least to do so".
Bargepole.

[vatnabrekk] 30/11/2016 22:37

My understanding is that AVO's machines will be more technically advanced than any of the others currently being used or built, and require less (virtually no) shielding, less cost, and less space. So even if there is a delay in getting them ready for the market, they will be very much in demand when they become available.

It's just a question of when that might be.

Hope I'm right about all of that - if not, please tell me!

[twirl] 30/11/2016 22:35

Thanks Daijazu for an informative post.

I have never doubted the massive gap between LIGHT and current technology in terms of production cost, size, accuracy,adaptability,low building costs, low running costs, reduced radiation and minimal decommissioning cost cf $300m cyclotrons.

However the information and non information of the past few weeks could easily lead investors to form a view that there may be a delay in the testing and production of saleable machines. This will fuel fears of increased costs and calls for further placings/dilution. That would weigh heavy on sentiment.

Its an ommission that the rns did not refer to the financing(borrowing)plan discussions which we were told would be "announced at the end of the year."

[glibgibon] 30/11/2016 21:38

Thank you daijavu for answering my question before I asked it :o)

[glibgibon] 30/11/2016 21:35

Those machines in the article can give 15MeV. AVO are looking at 230Mev.
Anyone know what the resultant difference would be for that extra power?
Just wondering...

[waterloo01] 30/11/2016 16:19

About time they said something. So sticking with Harley St as first test installation, partly due to CE mark needed for sales. As Harley st timetable is outside of their control, I think this is questionable. Building works slated to finish March 2018 (I'd add 6 months too that given what they are doing) plus machine install, fit out and testing etc, likely end 2018/early 2019 for opening.

Going ahead with Thales (double edged sword IMV as all costs upfront) but seems they now recognise Sino sales are questionable (and the fact the order is with Sino UK is not encouraging, as it's a non entity and would fold if challenged).

So no forward sales currently (assuming Sino is at best a deferred sale) and while they might get forward orders in 2017, nothing can be guaranteed until Harley st is running.