Abrdn Diversified Income... Share Discussion Threads

[hohum1] 13/2/2023 08:05

Two weeks until the AGM. Peter Spiller is unhappy with ADIG’s discount policy: if you are a shareholder vote against continuation..
hxxps://citywire.com/investment-trust-insider/news/peter-spiller-lambasts-abrdn-trusts-over-lax-discount-policy/a2404279

[tiltonboy] 25/1/2023 12:01

hxxps://citywire.com/wealth-manager/news/abrdn-shuts-120m-multi-asset-fund-after-slew-of-mergers/a2407543

Need to do the same here!

[tiltonboy] 25/1/2023 08:48

Thrug,

It's a paltry buy-back, used intermittently!

[thrugelmir] 24/1/2023 18:40

See no need to send any message to the board. There's an active share buy back scheme in place. Mopping up shares at a reasonable price takes time. Meanwhile there's a covered dividend of around 6% to enjoy.

[spectoacc] 24/1/2023 16:15

A pain voting nominee holdings. More so since I don't hold any ADIG ;)

But otherwise agree.

[hohum1] 24/1/2023 16:05

Annual report is available on the website. For those inclined to send a message to the Board that the discount, dilution of DCM policy and generally low level of board share ownership is unacceptable, the AGM is on 28th Feb. Vote early and vote often...

[riverman77] 13/1/2023 21:46

I think they hold a couple of equity tracker type funds, which are made up of hundreds of underlying holdings. So not quite as mad as it first appears.

[hugepants] 11/1/2023 11:31

650 holdings but the last 550 probably are about 1% of the NAV! No idea why they have so many holdings. It seems barmy.

[hugepants] 11/1/2023 11:20

The NAV performance is OK the last few years. Then add on the dividend and you have been getting a decent underlying return. It's the NAV discount that has ballooned from 5% to 15%-25%.

[essentialinvestor] 11/1/2023 11:13

Exactly, you can't explain away the performance.

[atlantic57] 11/1/2023 11:04

Huge pants thanks for that post.

If it is low risk and boring why has the performance been so poor.
Or would you say it is just general market malaise.

[hugepants] 11/1/2023 10:26

Well "this instrument" is on a 23.5% discount and a 6.3% yield. I think the market is factoring in a 10% discount in NAV. Maybe harsh given they have 6% in cash and 38% in listed equities. The rest are private markets which appear to be mainly income producing and includes equities, infrastructure, bonds, fixed income and property etc. It's low risk and boring.

[atlantic57] 11/1/2023 08:50

Thrug what do you think the real net asset value is here ?

Are there any bullish arguments for holding this instrument ?

[thrugelmir] 10/1/2023 18:32

Winding up illiquid investment holdings by selling them is where the problem lies. IPO's fell off a cliff in 2022.

[hohum1] 10/1/2023 16:10

87p bid - share price reaction to the new DCM statement was exactly what you’d expect. Vote against continuation!

[thrugelmir] 06/1/2023 17:26

Shares fell in the Covid market meltdown. Never recovered. DYOR.

[essentialinvestor] 06/1/2023 14:15

One which has also seen years of value destruction.


Comments here far too kind.

[thrugelmir] 06/1/2023 14:13

Highly attractive yield on offer. The fact that they publish all their portfolio holdings and provide total transparency is extremely refreshing. As at least it's an investment company share that can be researched thoroughly.

[hohum1] 06/1/2023 13:45

88p today = 23% discount to NAV. Vote against continuation!

[cc2014] 06/1/2023 12:29

#297. Thanks. My mistake. My memory is becoming increasing useless as I get older.

I shall have another think.

[hugepants] 06/1/2023 11:56

"All this P/E has been bought at the top of the cycle. "

Private markets not P/E! And they are generally investing in income producing assets. Easier to value properly?

[essentialinvestor] 06/1/2023 11:53

HP, yes I would question the NAV in light of 7 years NAV 'progress' since the first mandate change.

To me it clearly highlights the quality (or lack) of decision making since.

Will the quality of their unquoted be any better?.

BOD holdings here tiny.

I've been cautious here for a number of years, as per previous posts.

[cc2014] 06/1/2023 11:43

I am drawn to this share over and over. I'm attracted by the discount and the yield fits my target area. Also, I like the investments in both equities and bonds.

I've owned it before, buying in 2021 at around 93p and selling out about 7 months later for 100p collecting some dividends along the way. So, fond memories, but I suspect in that timeframe markets were on the up coming out of Covid and I could have bought anything and made money.

I'm not convinced the stategy is right. All this P/E has been bought at the top of the cycle. It's not like they have been holding it for 2 years since the last funding cycle and valuation and there may be some uncrystallised profits in there. The valuations are largely going to be what they bought at and those are now going to not what they can sell them for.

Then we have the 648 holdings in the portfolio. Who is looking at those in relation to RNS's? Seems to me that's so many it might as well be a tracker and why pay a 1.5% management fee for that?

It matters not what the discount or the yield if the value of the underlying assets keep falling due to bad decisions. The buy back of the 2031 debentures at what must have been close to the worst possible price is another example

So, I'll continue to watch.