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SGE Sage Group Plc

1.00 (0.09%)
Last Updated: 08:28:21
Delayed by 15 minutes
Share Name Share Symbol Market Stock Type
Sage Group Plc SGE London Ordinary Share
  Price Change Price Change % Share Price Last Trade
1.00 0.09% 1,131.00 08:28:21
Open Price Low Price High Price Close Price Previous Close
1,133.50 1,127.50 1,134.50 1,130.00
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Posted at 22/11/2023 12:17 by maddox
Yep, we've blasted through the Brokers' Consensus share price target of 1016p. As I post we're at 1128.5p up 131.3p (13%). The Brokers have been way behind Mr Market on SGE - they don't appear able to shake-off their previous perceptions of SGE as an old on-premise perpetual licence underperformer.

Interesting reaction - Mr Market has recently not responded to good results. Perhaps market sentiment is changing? Let's see how much of this gain is retained.
Posted at 22/11/2023 08:48 by maddox
Excellent results - the transformation is now clear to anyone that cares to look. The share price has run-up in advance but it looks like these results are good enough to justify the valuation. Against a pretty grim market back drop it's very pleasing to see the performance SGE is achieving.

>> Underlying recurring revenue increased by 12% to £2,096m;
>> Margin increasing by 140 bps to 20.9% (constant currency);
>> Underlying basic EPS increased by 22% to 32.3p;
>> Cash conversion of 116%;
>> Final dividend of 12.75p, increasing the full year dividend by 5% to 19.3p;
>> Share buyback programme of up to £350m announced.

SGE have a clear winner with SGE Intacct and are aggressively rolling out geographically as well as investing in developing tailored versions for specific market verticals - for manufacturing, construction etc.

The successful transformation to a SaaS business is clear in the metrics:

>> Renewal rate by value of 102% (FY22: 101%), ahead of last year driven by more sales to existing customers and retention.
>> Sage Business Cloud penetration of 84% (FY22: 75%);
>> Subscription penetration of 79% (FY22: 75%).

Really good to see this strong underpinning that is hugely attractive.

With high quality recurring revenue; evident pricing power; growing operating margins; generating surplus cash and new customer acquisition growth - these are very impressive results.
Posted at 06/9/2023 16:04 by maddox
Hi Jon,

Welcome aboard. Yes, Sage have suffered from an image problem - which once formed in people's minds - is very difficult to change. Admittedly the SaaS and Cloud transitions has been a long-haul as has exiting country business units, old products and business lines (payment acquisition). But opinions on SGE are changing and that is clearly being reflected in the share price.

As JPM point out SGE Intacct is an important growth engine - it's been a big success in the US market - and this growth should accelerate as it rolls out to other geographies.

(Closed 990.40p +17.40 +1.79% new 52wk closing high).
Posted at 09/8/2023 12:56 by maddox
Positive write-up in Investors Chronicle:

Comments positively on recent trading and growth in recurring revenue. Picks-out the success of Intacct especially in North America and Peel Hunt sees this as the main driver as it rolls-out Intacct into Europe. Mentions that investors are now seeing the value in SGE driving the valuation upto a p/e 27 - describes this as reaching the level of US peers [hardly - Intuit is on a p/e 63!].

Sage would be on a price of 2216p if rated similarly to Intuit.
Posted at 27/7/2023 10:28 by maddox
Q3 nine month update today. Growth is continuing and on-track for FY23 of 10% growth overall. No impact seen from macro-economic factors - interest rates/inflation.
The renewal rate is 101% consistent with past 18 months indicating a stable competitive environment.

Looking beneath the headline numbers - there are some positive growth drivers building momentum. Intacct US growth 30% and >40% in new territories - albeit from a low base. The launch in Europe has started well and I note Q3 growth was 7% up from 3% at 1H. The Sage Business Cloud organic growth at 28%.

Margins are targeted to rise - with 20.8% for FY23 and to continue widening thereafter. The aim is for SGE to be a 'Rule of 40' SaaS business.

In recent years, Rule of 40 has gained widespread usage as a yard-stick target measure of growth by investors in SaaS firms, first coined by Brad Feld. The Rule of 40 states that if a company's revenue growth rate is added to its profit margin, the total should exceed 40%. No breakdown offered on the mix today - and it'd be very interesting to know what their thoughts are?

The rationale is ofc that a SaaS Rule of 40 firm will command a premium rating, but again not stated, and on a p/e of 27 as mentioned above SGE is already considered highly valued in the context of the UK market.

Post script: Mr Market liked the results - new high 951p
Posted at 19/7/2023 09:27 by maddox
To put this undervaluation into context. In the UK SGE is considered highly valued on a p/e 27, however, Intuit (QuickBooks)is on a p/e 62.79 and Xero a p/e of 133.

If Sage was on a p/e similar to Intuit - it's share price would be over £20. Obviously, I'm not suggesting that SGE will valued on a similar p/e to Intuit or Xero anytime soon - it's far more likely that they will come more into line with SGE - particularly if they disappoint.
Posted at 19/7/2023 07:57 by maddox
Sage is looking very strong - hitting new highs - yesterday and again today at 947.4p. Positive comments from Nick Train - talking about the undervaluation of UK shares as compared with similar firms internationally:

'Train, who invests in the London Stock Exchange Group, said that the negative sentiment meant there were opportunities to snap up “wonderful companies that are wrongly priced”, citing cloud-software provider Sage as an example.'

and in ii:

'Nick Train is not a value investor, but he argues that his portfolio is cheap.
The stock picker, who runs the UK share portfolios Lindsell Train UK Equity and Finsbury Growth & Income, is known for picking high-quality companies, with established brands that can keep growing profits. He has always been happy to pay a premium price for such shares.

But in his latest note to investors, Train says his portfolio is undervalued compared with similar international companies. He also says that the UK market as a whole is extremely cheap compared to other major stock markets.' 'But he argues that his companies are “outstanding” and priced cheaper, on a P/E basis, than American rivals. “Now, of course these pairs are not exact ‘like-for-likes'; just as Sage Group SGE is not an exact comparator for Intuit Inc INTU'
Posted at 17/5/2023 23:07 by maddox
Hi justiceforthemany,

Nop not cheap. If your looking for cheap - SGE is never 'cheap'.

However, that doesn't make SGE a bad investment - if growth accelerates and its margins widen, as appears to be occurring, then it might be very good value at 842.8p (up 21.8p 2.66% today from 821p).

My assessment is that SGE's painful transition is largely complete and they'll deliver the promised sustained double digit growth, that with widening margins, will propel the earnings per share forward and will throw off cash. If this occurs 842p will look cheap looking back and deserving of its premium rating.

Looking forward to see how the next few results go - that should confirm the growth trajectory or not.
Posted at 21/4/2023 13:59 by maddox
I'm a big fan of Terry Smith - he's an exceptionally smart investor. He took advantage of SGE's share buy-back programme to exit his position - which was a bit of an invitation to sell - considering they already had SGE under review. Nevertheless, he appears to have sold at prices below 650p (RNS 17Jan21 share price c.560p below 5% - May 2021) so at a pretty low point. At the time he did say that he felt INTU was the better firm in the sector.

Perhaps he'll have another look at the new-look SGE before he has to overpay? (Don't overpay is his second rule for investment)
Posted at 19/4/2023 06:48 by maddox
Much talk about the valuation anomaly between US and UK.

Looking at a side-by-side of SGE 797p versus Intuit Inc (Quick Books) $442.59. In the UK SGE is considered highly valued on a p/e of 25 whereas Intuit is on an eye-watering p/e 64. Similarly, SGE is priced at 4.15x revenue versus 9x for Intuit.

If SGE was valued on INTU's p/e the share price would be 2040p or 1800p on INTU's revenue multiple.

I note that Terry Smith's Fundsmith has sold-out of INTU - he disapproves of their accounting treatment of Share-based remuneration and thinks that they have overpaid for Mailchimp. Intuit paid 12x revenue!

So, UK 'highly valued' firms look extremely cheap from a US perspective.

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