Kefi Gold And Copper Share Discussion Threads

[scrappycat] 03/4/2020 16:52

Given the unknown duration of the covid outbreak, the English banks have, apparently, been showing a marked reluctance to lend the money sought by business users. This, despite the instructions from the UK government to adopt a more helpful approach, and the provision of hundreds of millions of funds provided by the central government for this purpose. Would it be so surprising that the ANS have adopted a similar view?

Of course, I know not myself, but I do consider it a possibility. After all, Kefi are severely limited in what they can do with that the funding money whilst Lockdown is in force virtually globally, and including Ethiopia.

[robjm66] 03/4/2020 16:23

Topical I would prefer the election to be ruse or excuse to buy a bit of time than a cause for any concern as then Kefi has the option to totally decouple its schedule from the election schedule so hope you are right. Think it is a bit of concern though how much is hard to tell without having in depth knowledge of Ethiopian politics and the backers of the project attitude towards them.

Kefi admit in its answer “The banks merely need to see law and order in the lead-up to and the immediate aftermath.” (of the election). Mind you if the country is in lockdown already would guess that will help with law and order also would expect local banks to be less inclined to cold feet than international banks.

Not overly concerned if there is a new government as they will want the mine to go ahead as much as the present one.

[mab] 03/4/2020 15:26

"The banks merely need to see law and order in the lead-up to and the immediate aftermath"

[mab] 03/4/2020 15:23

From the rns's, signed agreements have been made with the gov / ANS but its the major african banks who have issue with the elections. Nothing being signed with them which is an issue as there putting up half the debt finance.

[cybaajak] 03/4/2020 14:55

Just wanted to add to what Topicel wrote above.

The December, January and February updates all pointed to middle of the year, when, coincidentally, at the same time, last years financial reports and accounts are to be published.

Tin Foil Hat Time. By coupling the Finances to the Election, moved final closure beyond any date clash and paved the way for further delay into ANOTHER YEAR. NOW that Ethiopias Governing Body have DELAYED the Elections indefinitely (No new date set until Covid19 crisis passes), Adams has again failed to mention WHAT the NEW Schedule is. Either by sticking to 'BEYOND' an Election OR invoking the OLD Schedule for Mid Year.

[ham1] 03/4/2020 14:40

@ Topicel

'sell part of our Saudi interest'

If I'm not wrong, ARTAR is paying for drilling at Hawiah. This sounds to me like a sale of interest (at least for Hawiah)

H

[digger2779] 03/4/2020 10:45

May as well make him earn his corn.
"Roger,
Thanks but you haven’t answered my question and the countless of other ones you have no doubt received concerning the ANS payment which is well overdue.
Put simply, are they going to pay the first tranche this month? If not, when will they pay?
Regards
John"

[robjm66] 03/4/2020 10:22

Regarding having a Q & A section on the website would always want as many questions answered as possible so its a plus if we did not have it we would be even more in the dark than we are.

Probably the world is awash with people at the moment looking for a job however anyone really got the patience for someone coming and it leading to even more delays. Suppose Jeff Rayner would be a good choice as he knows the company and done the job but would he want it?

[digger2779] 03/4/2020 10:19

I too just got an email referring me to the Q&A. Didn't even bother to acknowledge my email which was about the ANS money.
I think that the company looks at what questions have been asked then make up it's own version of the question it can then answer to suit itself.
Yes the first step is the hardest but I would say getting a straight answer from the company is even harder.

[shortarm] 03/4/2020 10:14

Chopper out!Oh, no - that's totally inappropriate lol

[robjm66] 03/4/2020 10:13

Really poor comment talking about "first steps" after all this time we most a least be on steps 5,6,7,8

[jaylett] 03/4/2020 09:56

Sent:

Roger

The Q&A does not address my questions. Can you confirm that the stated March deadline for payment by ANS was missed? If so, what is the revised schedule for their payment?

This is of the upmost importance and the share price will not recover until funding is received.

I also found the "the first step is the hardest" answer on the Q&A extremely poorly judged. The tone used is appalling.

Regaards

[cybaajak] 03/4/2020 09:22

@ Jaylett. I got a reply as well.


My #2988 was answered thus;

Your questions have been noted.

Responses to various questions we have received regarding Tulu Kapi and COVID-19 have been posted at

Kind regards,

Roger Howe

[robjm66] 03/4/2020 09:12

Q: Are you confident that the closing of local project equity will occur?

Yes, that is $58M from the combination of our Government and private partner, ANS
The Government has already closed and is spending its $20M
The Government is helping wherever it can because TKGM has suffered from some extraneous factors largely affected by the Governmen


Q: Does ANS have the money and what fallbacks are there?

ANS is a special purpose investment company founded by the five directors for an investment by 15 institutions and corporates. ANS signed a subscription agreement and approved all our RNS’s. If any individual ANS investor fails to close in any particular moment when all its conditions precedent for processes, documents, etc are satisfied, then other local investors are expected to cover them. The Government now works closely with ANS to ensure the public private partnership works for this high priority project.

Q: Can we expect all these time-consuming procedures before every tranche with ANS?

The first step is always hardest.


Well actually missing some of the answer to one of the questions “governmenR21; but kefi still says government spending money now. Suggests that kefi are still wading through red tape “moment when all its conditions precedent for processes, documents, etc are satisfied,”.

[mab] 03/4/2020 09:05

Seems like all parties are still chipping away but covid had been the curvball pushing the elections out a month and possibilly delaying the ANS elusive first $9m tranche. kefi seems confident the money is there to be gotten. sure i read the other week that african banks are raising a $2 billion covid bond @ 0.75% so raising $60 mill bank debt for tuli kapi shouldn't be a problem @ 9% int rate.

Taking a very pro active approach to covid given they only have 26 confirmed cases

-Ethiopia has a population of c. 100 million and, to enforce physical distancing, has closed its land borders and schools, emphasised working from home, prohibited large public gatherings and enforced compulsory 14-day isolation for new flight-passenger arrivals into the country.

couple of ponderables:

-The Government is helping wherever it can because TKGM has suffered from some extraneous factors largely affected by the Governmen
-The banks merely need to see law and order in the lead-up to and the immediate aftermath.

[outlawinvestor] 03/4/2020 08:58

the very least I'd expect in 48 hours is a "thanks, now please do one" response

I guess they've chosen the least verbose way of saying exactly that!

I totally agree with you guys, it is a very poor and weak showing by the managers of this outfit that they can't come out with a basic update even if just to say "the lights are still on but we might run out of powder..." Everyone else under the sun has published an update.

[mab] 03/4/2020 08:54

All hope is not lost, a few positives in the Q&A today ;-)

-the Federal Government announcing that the August Ethiopian elections have been postponed and a new date will be set in September in light of the situation with COVID-19
-the Regional Government announcing the lifting of telecommunications restrictions in our area in light of security improvement and the need to now develop the mining projects
-Contractors: programmes are continuing as planned within those organisations’ virus response procedures. Almost all contractor activity is currently office based, with the exception of road-building crews mobilising to the Tulu Kapi district during April 2020
-ANS is a special purpose investment company founded by the five directors for an investment by 15 institutions and corporates. ANS signed a subscription agreement and approved all our RNS’s. If any individual ANS investor fails to close in any particular moment when all its conditions precedent for processes, documents, etc are satisfied, then other local investors are expected to cover them.

[robjm66] 03/4/2020 08:49

Joking apart answers that kefi still expect TK to go ahead but not when.

[matthew stone] 03/4/2020 08:40

I certainly was! He has a terrible manner when speaking, but I really meant written communications...appreciate it's not an official RNS, but still...

Notice how in all the guff they've posted today, no attempt to answer the only 2 things shareholders really care about at the moment - (a) when is the first tranche of ANS money going to land and (b) assuming the answer to (a) is not 'in the next few days', how are Kefi going to fund their working capital until it is paid?

[cybaajak] 03/4/2020 08:31

@ Matthew. You weren't an investor when Adams called shareholders 'Nervous Nellies' ?

Sometime around September 2018 I recall. Quarterly update.