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[bigboyo] 24/10/2002 23:49

pundit

in this post i will revert to all smallcase -- few g&t's soon revert me back to type ( pun intended )

nope i am not welshanalyst -- he's far too anal to sound like me LOL :-) HIC

do u think that our firemen deserve 40% ?

[* pundit *] 24/10/2002 22:12

Good thread BB. Looks like you have learned a trick or two in your typing. Lets see a decent deal to resolve the dispute on the table by Monday!

Ps are you welshanalyst?

[charlieboyo] 24/10/2002 21:14

bigboyo

well if buildings are getting taller, there must be more and more people in the country to fill them up, so therfore we need more police. Simple ;-)



real answer: Terrorism

[jaxaxe] 24/10/2002 21:12

I agree entirely...40% of their present wages seems a fair reduction.

[bigboyo] 24/10/2002 21:07

charlie boyo

why point 3 with respect to the police ? taller building do not need more police surely ?

LOL

[charlieboyo] 24/10/2002 21:04

bigboyo
all the below are powerfull arguments for paying the police alot more than firemen

1/ the police do a dangerous job

2/ they have fallen behind in th relative hierarchy of paysacles

3/ we need their services more than ever as buildings get taller , trains get
faster and the threat of terrorism looms greater

4/ we need to pay a premium rate to them so that the very best candidates
apply to be police


I suprised no one has come back to say the fire service is faced with a very hazardous job but manage(through professionalism, and the luxury of being in the public sector) the risks out, and that is why the injurys/deaths per 1000 fireman is not the highest.

and on the other side, fishermen and builders also have hazardous jobs but they do not manage the risks out(because of time, competitive and price pressures), and that is why the injurys/deaths per 1000 for fishermen/builders is higher.

[bigboyo] 24/10/2002 20:48

charlieboyo

I have ALWAYS worked for myself -- as a consultant to third parties and also as the MD of a smallish firm for the last 15 years ( interestingly the most money I have ever made has been through some very lucky investments over the last 7-8 years ! )

so i am fully aware of employment issues with regard to pay and productivity and what is possible in the marketplace

i am also aware that

1/ the firemen do a dangerous job

2/ they have fallen behind in the relative hierarchy of payscales

3/ we need their services more than ever as buildings get taller , trains get
faster and the threat of terrorism looms greater

4/ we need to pay a premium rate to them so that the very best candidates
apply to be firemen

[itsourpete] 24/10/2002 20:40

Charliboyo - we're singing off the same hymn sheet bachgen.

My comment was is respect of the Thread Heading, not your post.

Pete

[charlieboyo] 24/10/2002 20:34

itsourpete

How many firemen were killed on duty last year?
How many fireman in this country?

[itsourpete] 24/10/2002 20:31

OH NO THEY DON'T!

[charlieboyo] 24/10/2002 20:29

bigboyo

Fireman have only the 26th most dangerous job.

Are you suggesting fishermen stop fishing unless they get CEO sized wages, and GP`s(who I assume must have a very undangerous job) get the minimum wage?


PS Have you ever run your own business and employed staff?

[jonc] 24/10/2002 18:40

....or is it Cohen.

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[jonc] 24/10/2002 18:34

Nonsense. It does not answer it at all.

The FF are aware of the danger when they join up at the current salary scale.

If they don't like it join the private sector.

[spongy2] 24/10/2002 18:17

Well said tomrob, I wondered how long it would take for someone to put wages into perspective for these self righteous firemen.
Rpi is just about all people have been getting this year, and not much above for last.
These crafty FBU leaders are living in cuckoo land, and leading all of their members up the garden path, they probably think they'll eventually get 20%, well I certainly hope the goverment is'nt that weak, 4% is far more than sufficient.

[oldoiie] 24/10/2002 18:13

snappy i told you to watch your stupid looking mouth! but you seem to be farting away as if its no problem
final warning SHUT UP

[snappy] 24/10/2002 18:00

terribly sad when you have to pretend to be somebody else and cannot find your own identity. bad childhood to blame was it?

[tomrob] 24/10/2002 17:59

Bigboyo,

I don't know what private sector you happen to be familiar with but not everyone outside the public sector is on a 6 figure cityboy's salary. I pay my accounts ledger staff £15k a year, highly qualified engineers maintaining multi-million pound machinery earn £22k.

Companies working in competitive markets have pay structures and annual increases that allow them to compete in the labour market for employees whilst at the same time controlling costs so that their goods and services can find a market. The average pay-rise I paid this year was 1.7%. No-one went out on strike, no-one left to walk into a better paying job elsewhere and I got productivity improvements accepted by the union in return.

You and the firemen must live in some kind of fantasy world.

Best regards,

tom

[oldoiie] 24/10/2002 17:57

snappy watch your mouth!