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[mi££ions] 23/9/2001 20:01

What's so good about the LSE? If you are free to relocate why not try NASDAQ or NYSE shares. They have much bigger swings and tend not to be at the mercy of market makers (market makers when short of stock suddenly drop the price 20 to 30% to scare private investors, pick up shares on the cheap and then sell them on at a 50% profit. Occasionally, they leave the price down for weeks or months to 'demonstrate' that sudden drops are not arbitrary scare tactics). To get back to the thread, I am not proud to be associated with English market makers!

[wooden5] 23/9/2001 19:57

prince william my sentiments exactly

[mi££ions] 23/9/2001 16:02

alsfar,

Would it do much for house prices and create an influx of business to the area?

Justin,

There are pockets of high house prices everywhere.

[justin de netty] 23/9/2001 15:58

Millions,
If the north was doing so badly you would'nt have SE house prices in Newcastle. Draw the line at the Tees and you'll have glasgow house prices, see how you like that.

[alsfar] 23/9/2001 15:57

I have an alternative suggestion 'mi££ions', would you mind awfully if 'Westminster, Whitehall etc...' were moved to your part of the country. You see we (southerners) don't want them either. Really, we have put up with them for a very long time. It is time you took over and carried that burden for a while.

[justin de netty] 23/9/2001 15:54

You can always leave.

[crocodile] 23/9/2001 15:53

Recently, At times In despair to be a member of mankind ...

[mi££ions] 23/9/2001 15:51

I live in the North of England. If Scotland ever gets independence can we draw the line at Yorkshire please? The southerners at Westminister (and I include my 'local' lad Tony Blair in that!) don't give a monkey's about the North. The Conservatives know that everyone votes Labour so they do all they can for the floating voters in the South. The Labour party take their Northern vote for granted so we only get lip-service. They spend all the money in the South to make it look as though things are good under labour.

I once read that they were going to offer a £50k house deposit to educated Northerners so they could afford to move to the South, where there is a skills shortage. Southerners soon put pay to that idea, calling it 'unfair' and it would push house prices up beyond the reach of their children. The government then suggested building 100,000 new houses in the South (in addition to the usual annual build). This would make houses more affordable so Northerners could move south. Once again, the Southerners were furious, mumbling something about negative equity! Why didn't they do both, because it's unfair? The whole plan was dropped. I know that this would only affect a small portion of Northerners but it's indicative of government thinking. Most of the foreign businesses attracted to the south with big grants and other perks are extremely lucrative and require highly skilled employees. The ones attracted to the north are offering minimum wages or are offering quite unpleasant work where jobs are scarce.

[alsfar] 23/9/2001 15:27

Too much of being 'English' is focused on the last few hundred years. The last 'English king' was of course Harold (who fell in 1066) and even his family was only english to the extent that the south of the country was full of ex saxons, angles and danes (to name but a few). Basically, the wheels came off in 1066. Today, the english barely have any sense of national identity. They are totally confused with being 'British'. Far more so than the Welsh, Irish or Scots.

Being 'British' is about the empire. Totally irrelevent in the modern world. For some, there is pride in that, but only because they choose to know the good bits, while denying the far more numerouse bad bits. History is as ever, defined by the politics of the people who write it.

I do consider myself 'English', but it is about a more distant past than all this 'British' nonsense. I live in a southern town that was founded by the 'Romans'. Those soldiers were drawn from all over europe. They settled here along with many other later foreign influences. However 1066 was different, that was about real conquest. Today, we are still ruled by foreign kings. 'British' maybe, but not 'English' kings.

[jl202] 23/9/2001 15:21

proud to be english: yes

[prosti] 23/9/2001 15:18

Mi££ions

Maybe in view of the intellectual company you keep you should try reading the speech EP made before broadcasting your obvious third hand views. To be read is to be educated.

Zen

What a happy soul you are.

But we do laugh at ourselves

[dislexy] 23/9/2001 15:07

"The English are simultaneously rediscovering the past that was buried when "Britain" was created, and inventing a new future. The red-white-and-blue is no longer relevant and they are returning to the green of England. The new nationalism is less likely to be based on flags and anthems. It is modest, individualistic, ironic, solipsistic, concerned as much with cities and regions as with counties and countries. It is based on values that are so deeply embedded in the culture as to be almost unconscious. In an age of decaying nation states it might be the nationalism of the future."

Jeremy Paxman.
"The English-A Portrait of a People".
(solipsism adv. the view that one's self is the basis of knowledge and the universe).

[mi££ions] 23/9/2001 14:53

Don't forget the 'white trash' ghettos! Most of the Asians and blacks I know from university and work are Doctors, Scientists and Engineers.

Didn't Enoch Powell do the 'rivers of blood' speech? You know, the conservative MP who was slightly right-wing of Ghengis Khan?!

[mi££ions] 23/9/2001 13:25

JBlack,
Are you are journalist, FBI agent or just interested? Are you English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish?

Please tell me your opinions of 'Englishness' or 'Britishness' and I'll tell you mine.

I'm an English 'Anglo-Saxon' and politically moderate (slightly right of centre like Tony Blair and Ted Heath!) if these facts are relevant to your studies.

[maxk] 22/9/2001 22:46

British, but born in Ireland. Britain takes too much stick for being British.
Not perfect, but you would have to do some travelling to find better.

[hectorp] 22/9/2001 22:30

Very Scottish and British - as always. I hope English are English and British too. Worked fine for all us for last 300 years.
H.