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WPCT Woodford Patient Capital Trust Plc

33.60
0.00 (0.00%)
Last Updated: 00:00:00
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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Woodford Patient Capital Trust Plc LSE:WPCT London Ordinary Share GB00BVG1CF25 ORD 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.00 0.00% 33.60 33.55 33.90 - 0.00 00:00:00
Industry Sector Turnover Profit EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap
0 0 N/A 0

Woodford Patient Capital Share Discussion Threads

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
13/12/2017
20:53
TOW & rackers - Starting to have a Tony Dye moment about the market and TW - Remember TD was short the internet bubble for 2 years and his funds were in the bottom dectile for 2 years then he was fired and within a month (from memory) the bubble burst and the new manager had not had time to change his defencive selection and the funds were in the top dectile for the next couple of years-

Message received is that the market - or segments of it - can and will defy gravity for longer than most pockets can stand - Too often PI's and II's jump on just as the last stage of the rocket is burning out - Many positions are far to big to liquidate and burning flesh everywhere - Today's example - OK a minnow is PIM - I wonder which one tomorrow.

pugugly
13/12/2017
20:41
"either you trust woodford's opinions (in which case you should be selling), or you don't trust him (in which case you should be er, selling). There really is no two ways about it."Errr the way Woodford has performed in the last two years he's the last person I'd listen to.There's very much two ways to look at it.If he's so convinced there's a bubble why isn't he more defensive?
rackers1
13/12/2017
20:10
Sure did,
Self belief got the better of many an investor.

elmfield
13/12/2017
19:36
Think Woodford got out of his area of expertise with this fund - he's made all the rookie mistakes that PIs get slated for and suffering - now trying to call the market. Looks like his aura has gone
davr0s
13/12/2017
16:58
Woodford himself is on record as saying stocks are in a massive bubble right now. I'm not sure why people aren't running for the hills here - either you trust woodford's opinions (in which case you should be selling), or you don't trust him (in which case you should be er, selling). There really is no two ways about it.
the oxford whale
13/12/2017
14:47
in again ? brave ..... and im being kind.
rackers1
13/12/2017
14:00
in again - maybe I can be a bit more patient this time !!
ttg100
13/12/2017
12:43
I did and I guess we'll see that in the reduced NAV tomorrow.
andyj
13/12/2017
12:40
Andy, you may have missed PURP. Results today and the share price - 7% atm.
essentialinvestor
13/12/2017
12:15
That's unusual, a modest rise in the NAV, but another sell off at the time of writing. Either a good time to buy or a sign that people want out, regardless of the NAV.
andyj
13/12/2017
12:09
Not sure what to make of Purp - they have their results today, an impressive increase in revenue but their valuation seems astronomical (obviously thats not their problem). I do worry about the amount of unproven bios - I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole these days I've learned my lesson.

There are still some interesting companies here - just have to wait until they are closer to making it or failing to be able to value this. But until then I am just a casual observer.

dr biotech
13/12/2017
11:47
I wonder how many of NW's stocks are being targeted by shorters. We already know about PRTA, but what about all the other quoted stocks, including PURP? Knowing NW's maintaining significant holdings in them and his apparent strategy of supporting such stocks pretty much through thick and thin, it seems to me it's one way traffic for shorters. Only when these stocks become evidentially profitable will WPCT start to prosper, on both fronts - quoted and unquoted. Patience required, indeed.
timnet
11/12/2017
12:08
Buy the dog.
p1nkfish
11/12/2017
10:32
My woodford equity income is now marginally at a loss, having held for 2 years. Obviously this has been very disappointing. The worst aspect is the number of sharp fallers - I know he missed out on the dot com bubble which turned OK well in the end, but picking losers is a bit different to not picking winners.

I am out here - will hold the income fund for another 12 months, but if its in the bottom quarter then I'll look elsewhere.

dr biotech
11/12/2017
10:07
yup thanks Stewart - short sensible useful post
ttg100
07/12/2017
10:21
Thanks stewart64 - that's an interesting point and we know its been a heavily targeted for shorting by US Hedge fund recently
mazarin
07/12/2017
10:18
NAV hits all time low of 91.07For all the promises of patience, this is factually a steeply declining asset.
andyj
07/12/2017
09:44
Regarding Prothena it was $33.65 when the fund was launched, Woodford's heavy buying may have initially bulled the share price. It now stands at $39.17 as it falls under attack from shorting.
stewart64
06/12/2017
21:52
Never convinced about SAGA myself. It has a stigma attached to it by the new 50+ group that it didn't have 10 years ago.
minerve
06/12/2017
20:49
Another disappointment for NW today, SAGA slumps.


Muddy Waters are short PRTA from memory.

essentialinvestor
06/12/2017
20:29
NW has been "very close" to the management of PRTA for a long time. This is supposed to be a plus. But he was also very close to the management of PFG and other co.s, both listed and unlisted, and yet they have all hit the buffers. I think that NW being "close" to a management is perhaps more of a liability than a plus. Certainly, when it comes to PRTA, I believe the shorters, and their recent report, and good track record, are much closer to the truth than NW. PRTA is a highly valued company that has nothing but promise to offer and has already shown that it is not likely to deliver on much of that promise. I still find it horrifying that NW lost sooooo much money, so quickly, on his insane punt on NWBO - another management he thought he was close to but it turned out he was out in the cold when the sh*t hit the fan.
harveydee
06/12/2017
20:08
NW in a blog reported on 22/11 average book price for WPCT circa $40 for Prothena.
gwatson56
06/12/2017
18:57
harveydee

PRTA is not necessarily a "Woodford blow-up". It depends what his buy-in price was and whether the company still has prospects - which I believe it does.

minerve
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