Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[bobsworth] 19/12/2017 09:08

Excellent BB Guys! Keep those information posts coming as much appreciated by long term VRS share holders like me. Looking forward now to a stream of news in the coming days and weeks. GLA

[the patient investor] 19/12/2017 09:06

Sg1
Really great research, tx

[luckyorange] 19/12/2017 09:03

The most recent gamechanger here is the ability to produce graphene commercially. Once big companies have done their sums I will be very surprised if VRS in it's current form is still around 18 months from now never mind years.

They will want the ink and graphene and discard the rest. Ink is highly scalable and nanene just requires investment in the machinery, then it's down to numbers.

At the moment 10 kilo's /week can be produced with a two shift automated system, wouldn't take a big company long to scale up to 1 tonne / week for a modest outlay and then whoever wants it has to go to them.

Anyone from Panasonic to Dow and everything in between will surely see the coming 4th industrial revolution?

[chillpill] 19/12/2017 08:49

Pleasing to see the traders have largely exited and we can noe look forward to some solid progress in 2018.

[fuji99] 19/12/2017 08:47

Some basic infos about graphene for new comers.:
Graphene has long been heralded as the miracle material of the 21st century and is one of the most groundbreaking discoveries of modern times.

It is the strongest material ever discovered, coming in at 200 times the strength of steel. Graphene is also incredibly flexible, and highly conductive, both with heat and electricity.

Graphene can be used as an ultra-thin conductor, in composite plastics, batteries, and solar panels. It's even the building block for a whole world of new nanomaterials.

Potential applications of this miracle material reach far and wide, from electronics, to renewable energy, to healthcare, and telecommunications.

In the coming years, graphene will no doubt emerge as one of the greatest investment opportunities to grace the market. Its crucial role in the future of industry and technology is inevitable, which is why smart investors are now looking to graphene en masse.

[superg1] 19/12/2017 08:45

A comment out today sums up what I have been going on about for over a year due to thorough research.

NPL’s Dr Andrew Pollard, who co-led the development of the standard with Dr Charles Clifford, commented: “Both graphene producers and end-users have been concerned for years that inconsistent terminology has meant slower progress in the commercialization of these materials and made it difficult to determine the difference between graphene and graphite products.

“Although it may be understood that the term ‘graphene̵7; means a single layer of graphene, the vagueness of terms such as ‘few-layer graphene’ has blurred the line between graphene and graphite. This terminology standard addresses this barrier and is the first step in standardization of this emerging industry.”

[the patient investor] 19/12/2017 08:39

I truly believe the best comparison for VRS's hugely wide applications is ARM holdings, ie a company whose products eneded up being used in a wide range of devices.

look what price they reached for ONE share...£17, i.e. a MC of 23...BILLION paid by the japanese company who took them over.

nanene's applications is much wider than the ones for the chips produced by ARM, so, in 3-5 years we could realistically reach higher figures.

[runthejoules] 19/12/2017 08:32

Well, if today's early morning drop remains at -0.79% I'm not too worried.

*Insert jealous girlfriend meme where the other girl the bloke is looking at = £prsm*

[the patient investor] 19/12/2017 08:30

Great post sg1

Tx

[superg1] 19/12/2017 08:28

This was the breakthrough I was looking for on graphene which happened to be VRS.

The rest about whether it actually works or not is history.

10th June 2015

Major Advance in Scalable Graphene Production

This process can be automated and allows graphene sheets to be produced in larger quantities and with greater chemical purity. The resulting graphene has up to 99% carbon and minimal oxygen content, as well as being effectively inert. The graphene also exhibits exceptionally good structure and retains a very high degree of crystallinity ensuring that the risk of contamination is significantly reduced.

Graphene performance is dependent not only on the purity, but the number of atomic layers, with a single layer providing optimal performance, allowing the full potential of graphene to be unlocked. Importantly, the 2-DTech production process provides significant amounts of single layer graphene on an industrial scale.

Versarien CEO Neill Ricketts commented: "Our technique is highly scalable and we can also use our existing group resources to manufacture relatively large quantities of high quality graphene. We are now planning to commence production and by utilising our existing production facilities we expect to lower our graphene production costs.

[superg1] 19/12/2017 08:22

On the unique bit.

Look up graphene and you will find 100's of 1000's of sciences papers and 100's claiming they produce graphene.

Then try to find independent documents detailing performance gains and you efforts will hit single figures and in the main VRS references. TBH I can't think of any reference paper I have found and I gave up looking.

The first issue is that those 100's are calling many and 100's of layer graphite graphene.

In the case of Nanene it's all verified as performance enhancing in some cases the gains are incredible in the tech world.

More recently in an interview the `CEO said Nanene is enhancing everything that it is going into and they will update investors re that.

So what we have now are some huge companies with over 100 companies in play knowing that graphene will probably enhance every product they do.

Next up is scalability and that's a YES.

Then cost effective and that's another YES.

It's YES to everything so the answer is Nanene.

Under 10 layers is not the answer it's a combination of factors IF you can get to that level. VRS can and have.

I couldn't give a stuff if others arrive as the future use will be 10's of 1000's of tonnes which will move to 100's of 1000's of tonnes.

My target for the 12 months after sales started was 3kg. 100 kg anytime in the next year or two would be amazing. 1 tonne would be fantastic going forward

Ink for a modest investment can produce 100 tonnes.

The potential is well beyond the share price and it's real potential with a product proven to work. That's why the big names are moving in.

[jointer13] 19/12/2017 07:57

just a matter of time.

"Automakers can't fit more batteries in cars without adding substantial weight or price increases. Despite the cost of lithium-ion batteries expecting to significantly drop within the next seven years, the issues with space constraints still remain given current technology and the energy density limitations that come with it. Automakers like Toyota have been researching battery technology which could potentially do away with the complications of lithium-ion cells completely by using a carbon-based material called graphene."

[luckyorange] 18/12/2017 22:29

13TH DECEMBER 2017 / BLOG

A blog about graphene and 2D materials is not necessarily a topic you would expect to come across very often. However, following a talk held at the APM Manchester conference on the 7th December 2017, James Baker convinced us that it is actually an important area of research that is crying out for project management expertise. The acceleration of any development for graphene requires collaboration between academia and industries, with the business knowledge and acumen to help the process move forward. Here, we discuss the importance of graphene in the upcoming 4th Industrial Revolution and how we, as project managers, can get involved with the journey.

For those of you not familiar with Graphene it is created by crushing graphite (or pencil lead as we may call it) several times with Sellotape until forming a single layer of carbon atoms. Clever hey? A few fun facts about graphene for you, it is roughly 200x stronger than steel, a flexible conductor and is transparent – an exciting material in the ever-changing digital era.

Currently, graphene is seen to serve many purposes, to name but a few, to make bendable phones, wear-resistant bike tyres and stiffer composite aeroplane wings. Many industrial applications can benefit from the use of graphene, due to its strength but low relative weight meaning that less material can be used. Other important uses for the graphene structure include isotope separation and membrane-replicas; simply put, it has been looked at to remove impurities from water to make it drinkable and other medicinal uses. This opens up huge potential all over the world, as a simple solution to give people access to clean drinking water by using sea or well water.

While the applications are difficult to argue with, the issue at hand is the requirement to reduce the readiness to market time. Academic groups need the collaboration with business experts, such as lawyers and project managers, to allow the development of the graphene as a product. A difficulty arises with the difference in motives between academic and industry leaders. Academia is based on knowledge sharing and publications, whilst industry is a slave to confidentially and patent agreements. As project managers, we are required to bridge the gap between the various inputs to define logical and non-biased decisions for the research.

The market is desperate for the introduction of graphene on a large scale, as it could be a solution to many industrial and economic problems. As project managers, there is an opportunity for us to get involved in an exciting movement; by providing a logical and organised approach, and bridging a gap to form graphene-strong collaborations.

[saturn5] 18/12/2017 22:13

Nothing wrong with VRS
First class co with massive product
Forget tree shake,shorters,and manipulation
If you can buy now and wait for the long you will win out in the end
Companies like this don't come along often
GLA

[luckyorange] 18/12/2017 21:58

axotyl18 Dec '17 - 21:04 - 15799 of 15802
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You could be right, but how can we dismiss the academic research tied-in with commercial sponsorship in the US, and probably China? Similar to the VRS 'model'.

Do we really believe we're unique?

Be great if we are, but we need convincing.

Funny you should say that axotyl, I have been spending some time trying to understand why Dow have come to lil' old VRS when there should be a world of graphene out there.

Dow bung UC Berkeley a few mill now and again to aid research, apparently done over by XG sciences of which Dow will soon own the IP, but in reality that is worth nowt.

The question remains why are Dow buying off VRS, they have done the NDA bit so have tested it and found out it works, where next?

[redchef] 18/12/2017 21:24

Sorry sg1 you are correct VRS do have a majority stake in Cambridge Graphene though. The three tweets were identical and all made at the same time so it was obviously coordinated.

[superg1] 18/12/2017 21:15

Red

I didn't notice it and Cambridge graphene centre isn't VRS.

Perhaps a shot back at a bear with little knowledge, perhaps there is a point in the interview that needs revisiting.

I'll have another listen later.

[redchef] 18/12/2017 21:05

I'm all for publicising VRS as a great investment (imho dyor) but I was rather disappointed to see Versarian, 2-Dtech and Cambridge Graphene official tweets all at the same time this morning repeating the link to Neill Ricketts interview from 2 weeks ago. Disappointed because it seemed like a concerted and thinly disguised effort to boost the share price Many readers will assume it was a new announcement and heralded the next promised new customer. I thought the company would have been above getting involved in ramping.

[axotyl] 18/12/2017 21:04

You could be right, but how can we dismiss the academic research tied-in with commercial sponsorship in the US, and probably China? Similar to the VRS 'model'.

Do we really believe we're unique?

Be great if we are, but we need convincing.

[phoenixs] 18/12/2017 20:51

No guesses as to who possesses the highest quality graphene(nanene)

[arab3] 18/12/2017 20:48

hope so festario
we don't want another IOF here !