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[ohdearohdearohdear] 28/11/2017 11:48

And some you lose.

[paulhgreen] 28/11/2017 10:22

Strange not many peeps rushing to sell?

my 10K is now worth about 10 Quid after dealing cost why would i sell .

some you win some you loose

[the bull] 28/11/2017 09:44

Thanks to Mike Walters for this utter dog that has been wasting investors cash since inception

[oliversanvil] 28/11/2017 08:48

Strange not many peeps rushing to sell?

[oliversanvil] 13/11/2017 16:53

The Delhi state government declared a public health emergency last week after pollution levels spiked, a yearly phenomenon blamed on a combination of illegal crop burning in northern states, vehicle exhaust and dust.

Over the weekend, authorities began using fire trucks to spray water in parts of the capital to keep the dust and other air particles down, but it has had little effect. HUGE MARKET HERE FOR TRK.

[oliversanvil] 10/11/2017 22:32

" get with the spin." Funny you quoted this! We two are cute and Fly!

[lefrene] 10/11/2017 16:14

It's the 'Greenie' bandwagon OA, careers and pensions have been built on it, never mind the truth, just get with the spin.

I have been using an old Fiat Panda diesel, recently it returned a real world 72mpg at motorway speeds when I covered 485 miles in a day. It would be fascinating to see what it would do with an IVT. Lower fuel consumption has to be 'greener', and as the article says, smaller lighter cars are the way to reduce pollution. Perhaps Mazda will turn out to have the best strategy as it continues to improve the ICE, we might yet see an 'emperor's clothes' moment with leccy cars.

[lefrene] 09/11/2017 09:54

Odd looking 10,000,000 trade there.


No Lordz, they don't make engines, but who knows these new rules might get people looking at flywheel energy storage afresh?

[lordz] 02/11/2017 19:29

Are totrotrak an engine manufacturer.Would this be of some interest.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41833948Mercedes & Renault unsure on new Formula 1 engines By Andrew BensonChief F1 writerFrom the sectionFormula 1 316Share this page Toto Wolff & Cyril AbiteboulToto Wolff, left, and Cyril Abiteboul are both concerned about the finances neededMercedes and Renault have cast doubt on the new engine regulations proposed for Formula 1 in 2021.Mercedes F1 boss Toto Wolff says he has "strong scepticism" about whether the ideas are the right way forward.Renault Sport F1 boss Cyril Abiteboul said the proposal, made by governing body the FIA and F1 Group on Tuesday, was "a starting point for discussions".Both said the problem was that they meant a new engine design that required a major financial investment.What are the proposed new rules?The FIA and commercial rights holders Liberty Media have proposed keeping the current engine architecture of a 1.6-litre turbo V6 hybrid but removing one of the two hybrid elements, increasing the power of the other, introducing driver-controlled hybrid deployment and standardising a series of parts.Their aim is to reduce costs, improve the quality of the racing and the sound created by the engines, and enable independent companies to come into F1 and compete with the car manufacturers as engine suppliers.Why do Mercedes and Renault object?Wolff said he was "surprised" that the FIA had published so much detail on the new engine when the manufacturers had been told in a meeting on the same day that the plans were "a proposal of a vision for 2021" that would be subject to further discussion and refinement at F1's various rule-making entities.He added: "It portrays it in a way of this is how we're going forward and none of the current OEMs (car manufacturers in F1) was particularly impressed."He said the proposals as published would mean "developing a new engine concept that will trigger immense costs" for the car manufacturers in F1 - Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda - "just for the sake of having a new concept"."The new concept needs to tackle the deficit that has been outlined - development costs and noise level - and all that needs to be linked with a global view of F1," Wolff said. "We haven't seen any of that."Abiteboul concurred, saying that Renault objected to being "presented with a new engine on which we would have to make substantial development and substantial financial commitment without an understanding of the broader picture of what F1 would look like past 2020. And I'm referring to not just engine regulations but chassis regulations as well as the commercial side of F1."He added that Renault "approved of the targets that have been set in terms of cost, noise and power, and the fact we need to try to make performance continue to converge". But he said: "Those are things that could have been done with the current engine architecture anyway."Honda and Ferrari, the other engine two manufacturers in F1, have declined to comment.Would new rules attract new companies?Abiteboul said that he did not believe the proposed new regulations would enable independent companies that have expressed an interest in F1 to enter the sport and compete with the car manufacturers."I don't see how what has been presented would be offering a model for an independent engine manufacturer," he said."Maybe it would lower the cost of access for a car maker, but you would still need a substantial amount of marketing dollars to spend into research and development to make any business plan work for the new engine."And that is actually our problem, that we need to spend again, just like a new entrant would have to spend."But I don't think an Ilmor or a Cosworth will be able to go for it independently without the subsidises of another car company."Sources say that the other engine companies present in the meeting with the FIA and F1 and on Tuesday admitted this was the case.Disagreement on technology and costOne key aspect of the proposed new rules is the dropping of the MGU-H, the part of the hybrid system which recovers energy from the turbo.This is a crucial part of making modern F1 engines set new standards of efficiency - it provides about 60% of the total hybrid energy of the engine - but it has been criticised for being too expensive and for strangling the sound produced by the cars.Abiteboul said: "My problem with the removal of the MGU-H is that as soon as you do that it is a new engine."It fundamentally changes the way the energy is managed within the engine, the way the turbo is working and so on and so forth. It is a new combustion concept, a new way to manage turbo lag and efficiency, so it is new design of turbo."Abiteboul said Renault had contributed a technical view to the FIA's work on potentially removing the MGU-H, but added: "That doesn't mean we support it. We actually believe that the MGU-H is a fantastic device in order to have a sustainable power around the lap and during the whole race. So that is the sort of disconnect we may be finding ourselves in right now."Wolff would not discuss the detail of the proposals but insiders say it is clear why the new engine as detailed would increase costs and lead to a fundamentally new design.Increasing the revs used by engines, to improve the noise, would mean developing the engine to be able sustain the extra forces involvedA more powerful MGU-K - the hybrid part that recovers energy from the rear axle - with driver deployment means a new MGU-K design and software to control it, as well as new forms of energy storage and deploymentA turbo with dimensional constraints means a new turbo design; the same for the introduction of a standard energy store and fuelIn addition, removal of the MGU-H, which recovers energy from the turbo, and raising the revs would decrease the efficiency of the engine, which would mean cars would need more fuel, which would make them heavier at a time when there are already criticisms that they weigh too much.

[alchemy] 31/10/2017 07:28

Such a sad state of affairs. I have just been looking at the Valeo site. Electric turbo chargers, stop start, and mild 48v hybrids, all being taken up. All electric and not mechanical analogue.High hopes isn't the phrase what I had here...certainty was more like it.Adieu.

[lefrene] 24/10/2017 17:03

Weight for weight I suspect that Trannie vans are the most polluting, but I know what you mean. There are of course so many different types of commercial vehicle for all the different applications. The most inefficient has to be the 7.5 tonne size as many of them cannot even carry their own weight, especially if fitted with a tail lift.

It will take large fleet users to create a sea change, all else is down to short termism and price. "If I pay extra for this new fangled thing will my overall monthly costs go down?" There are increasingly large numbers of 'trapped' owner drivers, so called self employed but with liveried vans, Parcel Force is one such 'employer' as they switch from employee's to other disguises of employment. Such owner drivers get their vehicles on monthly rentals, Mercedes Benz is a big player in this sector, the 3.5 tonne being the most popular. That van operator is on very thin margins, and quite soon there may be penalties for operating 'dirty' vans in city locations. So you would think the sector would be ripe for innovation? The only 'innovations' we have seen are the fiddling of emissions by computer!

[oliversanvil] 24/10/2017 16:15

An observation----Watch what is blown out from the exhaust of double decker buses and HGV's when they pull away from stand still. Absolutely intolerable!!. Electric pull away from standstill then seamlessly into combustible motion (with IVT + KERS) must be the next immediate step .

[lefrene] 24/10/2017 14:03

I see it's an ultra capacitor system, should be interesting if a trailer went 'live'!

[lefrene] 24/10/2017 13:37

OliversAnvil, I guess they need to automate that truck application, I would have thought that a sensor could detect from the 5th wheel that the trailer is being pulled and is in the straight forward position (ie not in braking or slowing mode, and not going through a corner), and thus feed in any energy available from the kers. If the cost is such that the kers rapidly pays for itself and isn't too heavy then it there should be a good demand for it. But we don't know what type of kers this is, or whether TRK get any benefit? Interesting though that a trailer maker thinks this is worth doing. If it catches on then it could go global, the articulated trailer is as ubiquitous as containers. There are not only fuel savings to harness, but also reduced wear on brakes as the kers is spun up. Three axles on a trailer, three kers?

[alchemy] 24/10/2017 13:03

It's so sad this has been by-passed but with 48v mild hybrids the next interim step I can't see us being used in any quantity.That's in cars , elsewhere don't know.

[ivtbrokehot] 24/10/2017 11:26

Sorry but it will not be from TRK as it was shelved on 30/01/2017.

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[oliversanvil] 23/10/2017 19:26

Such is the balance of energy. As the hybrid/ electric vehicle revolution continues oil price will go down in equilibrium.Do not think governments will allow this!

[willoicc] 23/10/2017 11:45

With all the pollution in London there is a huge opportunity for KERS if they would just get through to the bus operators.

[oliversanvil] 23/10/2017 08:00

London introduced a charge on the oldest and most polluting vehicles on Monday to try to improve air quality in the British capital, the city’s mayor, Sadiq Khan, said. Called the T-charge, the 10 pound daily tax applies to diesel and petrol vehicles typically registered before 2006 which do not meet the so-called “Euro 4” 2005 European directive to regulate vehicle emissions.-- There is a market here for V-charge!

British car dealership chain Pendragon on Monday warned on full-year profit, blaming a decline in demand for new cars and the consequent price correction in the used car market. People will be keeping there old cars for longer There is a market here for V-charge!

[oliversanvil] 22/10/2017 10:11

Robson said: "We will focus our efforts on delivering shareholder value from KERS which is addressing the off and on-highway markets in which mechanical solutions remain attractive, and we will continue to work to unlock value from V-Charge.

“We remain determined to realise the value from our extensive intellectual property and attractive commercial opportunities.”;

[supernumerary] 05/10/2017 18:45

Interesting... maybe I'll get a souvenir to go with my paperweight!

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Missed auctions 1 & 2 so not much left ;¬(