Seeing Machines Share Discussion Threads

[willoicc] 12/7/2020 10:40

The important question is, how many people get killed by autonomous vehicles compared to the number killed by human drivers?

[supersonico] 12/7/2020 10:12

Thanks Lewbo18, Interesting reference to J Rickards and the discussion of complicated and complex systems.

[lewbo18] 12/7/2020 08:40

Good write up about how difficult L5 is and how AV companies are starting to understand....HTTPs://www.eetimes.com/watches-hedge-funds-and-avs-complex-or-complicated/

[cfb2] 10/7/2020 18:54

Tesla has some very talented developers working for it but if you watch some of the technical videos you will discover that whilst the car is able to identify objects in 3D in real time (a very impressive feat) its cognitive abilities have a long way to go. In other words, the AI's ability to judge the correct decision based on changes in the environment. Musk refers to these as the many, many small problems that the AI needs to learn. With this in mind, how quickly do you think countries, states, insurance companies and legal entities are going to give permission for these vehicles to operate autonomously? Proving the cars operate in all environmental conditions better than a human driver (a requirement for level 5) is not going to happen quickly. In the field of AI it is often difficult to prove the inputs that result in the outputs. Putting it another way, what things the AI was looking at to result in it taking a particular action. In the Gulf war the initial AI used for auto targeting tanks in the desert was found to lock onto ally tanks. Investigations showed the AI training had picked up on the shadows the tanks made in the sand resulting in it auto targeting any tank when the sun was in the correct position in the sky. I think Telsa may technically be quite close but every time they kill someone there will be >6 month delay as the causes are investigated. They could easily be 20 years away from having cars driving autonomously.

[zero the hero] 10/7/2020 13:29

egrid1 don't blame you in the slightest always good to take a profit, especially when poorly researched. Understanding bluster and BS (typical Musk) is central to share-trading. Meanwhile how level 3 operates in Tesla is inferior to that of Ford's coPilot360 which is probably (unless the SEE RNS's of the past are BS?) SEE tech sitting behind the infotainment system

[egrid1] 10/7/2020 12:54

Well on the basis of that story, I decided to sell out, whilst still a little ahead.

[seeing2020] 10/7/2020 12:39

Egrid,I'm sure you are correct DMS will be obsolete before it arrives and all the cars will be autonomous. I hope someone tells the regulators in Europe and US not to bother mandating our tech from 2024 as unless that's 24 mins past 8pm tonight its too late as we are obsolete

[baggariddim] 10/7/2020 10:28

Don't worry we'll get a tweet about Ron Finemore soon and it'll all be ok.

[egrid1] 10/7/2020 10:25

Elon Musk claiming that they will have the basics for class5 automation by the end of the year. That will be totally driverless cars. "US electric vehicle maker Tesla is 'very close' to achieving complete autonomous driving technology, CEO Elon Musk said on Thursday, referring to the capability to navigate roads without any driver input. 'I'm extremely confident that level 5 or essentially complete autonomy will happen and I think will happen very quickly,' Musk said in remarks made via a video message at the opening of Shanghai's annual World Artificial Intelligence Conference." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506589/Elon-Musk-says-Tesla-vehicles-close-completely-autonomous.html How does this impact on SEE? Is their technology used in cars, beyond monitoring the driver? If not, that line of business could very quickly become obsolete. Is this the problem with the SEE share price? The market know that their technology will be demanded too late to make a commercial success of it, before it is obsolete.

[srpactive] 09/7/2020 21:33

Interesting industry related news, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8506589/Elon-Musk-says-Tesla-vehicles-close-completely-autonomous.html

[base7] 08/7/2020 18:39

Although DMS won’t be mandated until 2024 we now know that Europe & US will have the same timescales & manufacturers will want to distinguish themselves from the competition & my hope is that many models will contain our chip which can be easily activated as required. Trading Update early next month will be interesting & lets hope ,despite the market malaise ,that PM can issue a confident statement & reaffirm that a fundraiser is not expected

[master rsi] 08/7/2020 16:42

The buys did continue but at the end the UT was @ 3.30p The two ways trading at the end was at 3.30p 3.30 v 3.35 16:35:03 188,095 shares at 3.30 UT

[master rsi] 08/7/2020 16:09

and the bid goes to 3.30p, meaning is up for the day now after the paying of full offer for some time 3.30 v 3.35 16:08:17 - 14,925 at 3.35p the intraday chart does not show the rise

[rjcdc] 08/7/2020 16:01

Might even end up on the day...

[master rsi] 08/7/2020 15:30

A good string of buyer for some time this afternoon and the share price has corrected the marked down during the morning

[drsandwich] 08/7/2020 12:04

Agree there are good contributions on here and are much appreciated. Also agree the latest announcement sounds ok - there are many good companies taking a big hit on revenues right now so for see to predict no major impacts is a good place To be.

[abid6814] 08/7/2020 11:29

An investment in Seeing is pretty binary. You either believe the story and accept the stringent NDA principles in place or you don't.There have been bumps along the way some of the company's own making others based on the wider ecology.I'm invested for the long term and if See can navigate a challenging next 12 months without too many bruises it should be well placed to reward long term patient (suffering!) shareholders.I post here but normally use the LSE site for my reading on See but always nice to see Lewbo and Seeing2020 pop over here occasionally too!

[shallwe] 08/7/2020 11:22

I've noticed the thumbs down too Lewbo. Very strange behaviour. Possibly Smokey Joe or Stevey boy?

[skinny] 08/7/2020 11:14

Yes - bewildering - why on earth are they here!

[lewbo18] 08/7/2020 11:06

Re: people giving some posts a thumbs down.Looks like you have to be a premium member here to do that. There are a few here and seem to do it even to links about SEE. Strange?

[drsandwich] 08/7/2020 10:32

I think it’s quite hard to predict how the technology will compete in several years time - there are others working hard in this space. If it was a simple picture of Worldwide Demand for dms Driving sales for see then I think the share price would be much higher. I guess the numbers in the statements will speak for themselves sooner or later.

[skinny] 08/7/2020 10:19

Succint post Lewbo18.

[lewbo18] 08/7/2020 10:05

Trader, not sure what you wanted included in the rns apart from what they said?I thought it was positive. SEE cant tell you its the Ford F150 or Mach-E. Ford themselves only tell you whats in it at launch. Remember SEE contract with the T1, not with the OEM. Veoneer have not said they have a DMS system with Ford. They say as SEE do, "with a major US based international oem".So NDAs are in play. Until they are not. Which in the case of GM it was when the CT6 was on the road. Perhaps going forward those NDAs may change.SEYE have a much better PR set up but notice they havent said which OEM they are in until they are on the road. Having said that apparently they are on the road in 6 or more cars but consider the press they have compared with the CT6 alone. I cant name SEYE wins? The only T2 that has stated an OEM at win stage was SEYE with Geely. But thats gone quiet now.Sorry about the long read here but SEE are quietly going about their business which i agree is frustrating which we all feel.