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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Powerhouse Energy Group Plc LSE:PHE London Ordinary Share GB00B4WQVY43 ORD 0.5P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.005 0.3% 1.655 1.60 1.70 1.70 1.60 1.65 9,964,876 16:35:27
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Alternative Energy 0.0 -2.5 -0.2 - 34

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
02/1/2020
09:27
To be honest I think shareholders should vote against it and send David Ryan back to get better terms for PHE. Why not. Where else could W2T go?
tewkesbury
02/1/2020
09:25
The deal secures more revenue for PHE gets W2T share as well hence the higher revenue expectations as well. I'm sure the circular will help illuminate the reason the board have recommended and signed an agreement for the deal. They are working for the best interests of shareholders after all.
whatsthepoint
02/1/2020
09:22
Well I don't see it as appalling as a shareholder and I for one will be voting for it, as it's far better than no deal. The two companies together are worth more than the sum of the two parts. Unity and more security with known future revenue of circa £5.5 million. A medium term target of 3p and a £100 mil company on known contracts alone.
whatsthepoint
02/1/2020
09:19
My guess is either that W2T might have had difficulty raising cash to fund their share of SPV's because investors didn't like the set up, and are looking to PHE to bail them out, or perhaps this is what they really intended all along as a way of getting control of PHE. We may never know. However the dilution being proposed is appalling for PHE shareholders who have suffered badly all along in my opinion.
deccer1
02/1/2020
09:11
W2T publicity material put PHE's expected revenue from a SPV for one unit at only £200,000 per year.
deccer1
02/1/2020
09:03
Ken Chung It's time to buy not to sell Please save yourself and don't short it.
whatsthepoint
02/1/2020
09:01
No not at all very happy as the future is very bright for PHE. It's Coming out the mushroom farm into the light. !!Surely you can see that being such an avid watcher. Even you must marvel at the future revenue of just for starters circa £5.5 million a year. With the prospect of thousands of plants globally. Easy £100 mil company sprouting from its acorn.
whatsthepoint
02/1/2020
08:59
AFC sold their 24% stake in W2T for just £20k a few months ago so that valued 100% of W2T at just £83k. On that basis the proposed W2T takeover terms should be 99:1 in PHE's favour, not 60:40, but I will be generous and say 95:5. You can still vote against it and the dilution.Lemmings and mushrooms only.
ken chung
02/1/2020
08:51
You must be in a world of pain.
ken chung
02/1/2020
08:31
The proposed dilution is in the price you muppet. Market is very happy with the proposal. It's only you and your negative friends that is upset.
whatsthepoint
02/1/2020
07:36
Lots of dilution proposed.Lemmings and mushrooms only.
ken chung
01/1/2020
16:29
Happy new year! This would be an interesting development for PHE htTps://investors.nationalgrid.com/debt-investors/green-financing/greenfinancing
cmackay
31/12/2019
16:54
Happy New Year to everyone when it comes, including Tewksbury!
vatnabrekk
31/12/2019
15:58
I think you are being very unfair their Tewksbury the point is the market has accepted the new valuation based on the deal going through It was deccer a known negative who suggested we fall back but that's what he wants The neg heads and the market makers are all going to be very surprised by where this is going.
whatsthepoint
31/12/2019
14:27
Very harsh, Tewkesbury, please do not post again as the last thing this thread needs is you. There are other phe threads for 'posters with attitude'.
tenapen
31/12/2019
13:27
vatnabrek please do not comment as everything you write seems to show your ignorance.
tewkesbury
31/12/2019
13:05
If the market (MMs) suspected that this deal was seriously dilutive, surely they would have dropped the share price immediately rather than wait for it to happen. Instead, it seems the market is pushing the share price upwards.
vatnabrekk
31/12/2019
12:12
If the takeover ever gets approval I bet the mm's will drop the price back down to 0.3p afterwards as the dilution kicks in.
deccer1
31/12/2019
11:49
Are you seriously saying PHE will buy W2T then not take on any of their staff? Nonsense. Not even Howard White and his son? What about Tim Yeo who recently left the Board of another of the trio of related parties AFC and joined W2T? Do you realise that a large shareholder like HW would be in PHE, would be legally entitled to a place on the Board? He could not be stopped from joining the Board even if you wanted to stop him imo. PHE could take on W2T staff and pay them in cash plus confetti dilutive PHE shares. +++++++++++ Ken Chung 31 Dec '19 - 11:02 - 11352 of 11356 Edit I assume all senior W2T employees will join PHE in the merger with related party W2T, with Howard White and other W2T Board members taking places on the Board of PHE. PHE currently have around 5 officers. W2T currently have around 8 officers. So the merger would more than double the senior staffing level, with substantial additional costs, etc; and basically imply W2T taking over the Board by majority. Infact PHE's CEO already came from W2T anyway. I predict Howard White will be CEO of PHE within 2 years. I am not impressed knowing the history of W2T's involvement. Afterall he set-up both companies when arguably PHE should have been doing all the work themselves in house, so preserving a larger stake of value for PHE and its shareholders. Prior to the signing of the arrangement with W2T in 2017, PHE's original CEO was previously saying they were receiving hundreds of enquiries and leads from potential customers all over the world even before W2T came on the scene. So PHE will have the additional expense of funding the extra staff, paying W2T's £500k debt and regularly diluting their own shareholders even more and profitability will be years away if ever. And they still have to get a full sized system to work, which is not guaranteed. ++++++++ Ken Chung 31 Dec '19 - 08:55 - 11345 of 11352 Edit So PHE shareholders not only face the huge dilution from AGM resolutions 6 and 7 to issue 66% more shares but now also from the shares to be issued to buy W2T awaiting approval, which they arguably never should have granted rights to anyway but instead done that work in house. Enjoy your dilution. Lemmings and mushrooms only. P.S. Why didnt PHE just buy AFC's 24% stake in W2T direct from AFC earlier this year for £20k, which was the tiny sum AFC subsequently sold it to W2T for, and for which PHE are now proposing to pay just under £1m in shares to get hold of, and almost £4m in shares to get hold of 100% of W2T? AFC's sale of their 24% stake in W2T for £20,000 earlier this year only valued 100% of W2T at £83,333. So why are PHE now paying W2T equivalent of Millions of £'s in PHE shares to buy W2T? Either AFC sold their stake for too little, or PHE are paying too much. Both cannot be right.
ken chung
31/12/2019
11:32
Keep trying they will only add staff when revenues support it.
whatsthepoint
31/12/2019
11:22
PHE currently have around 5 officers. W2T currently have around 8 officers. So the merger would more than double the senior staffing level, with substantial additional costs, etc. In a recent presentation David Ryan said he sees PHE running with about 30 staff in future. So even more expense or dilution if they are paid in shares!
ken chung
31/12/2019
11:11
Ken you still don't get it do you. There will be revenue generation for engineering work on the future 11 projects plus Dave Ryan has already stated he is getting interest from other customers for revenue engineering work. The suggested board structure will I am sure become clear in the circular to shareholders. it is highly possible with revenue and future royalties they will never ever need to raise another penny from the market.
whatsthepoint
31/12/2019
11:02
I assume all senior W2T employees will join PHE in the merger with related party W2T, with Howard White and other W2T Board members taking places on the Board of PHE. PHE currently have around 5 officers. W2T currently have around 8 officers. So the merger would more than double the senior staffing level, with substantial additional costs, etc; and basically imply W2T taking over the Board by majority. Infact PHE's CEO already came from W2T anyway. I predict Howard White will be CEO of PHE within 2 years. I am not impressed knowing the history of W2T's involvement. Afterall he set-up both companies when arguably PHE should have been doing all the work themselves in house, so preserving a larger stake of value for PHE and its shareholders. Prior to the signing of the arrangement with W2T in 2017, PHE's original CEO was previously saying they were receiving hundreds of enquiries and leads from potential customers all over the world even before W2T came on the scene. So PHE will have the additional expense of funding the extra staff, paying W2T's £500k debt and regularly diluting their own shareholders even more and profitability will be years away if ever. And they still have to get a full sized system to work, which is not guaranteed. ++++++++ Ken Chung 31 Dec '19 - 08:55 - 11345 of 11352 Edit So PHE shareholders not only face the huge dilution from AGM resolutions 6 and 7 to issue 66% more shares but now also from the shares to be issued to buy W2T awaiting approval, which they arguably never should have granted rights to anyway but instead done that work in house. Enjoy your dilution. Lemmings and mushrooms only. P.S. Why didnt PHE just buy AFC's 24% stake in W2T direct from AFC earlier this year for £20k, which was the tiny sum AFC subsequently sold it to W2T for, and for which PHE are now proposing to pay just under £1m in shares to get hold of, and almost £4m in shares to get hold of 100% of W2T? AFC's sale of their 24% stake in W2T for £20,000 earlier this year only valued 100% of W2T at £83,333. So why are PHE now paying W2T equivalent of Millions of £'s in PHE shares to buy W2T? Either AFC sold their stake for too little, or PHE are paying too much. Both cannot be right.
ken chung
31/12/2019
10:52
Shaking off today's seller nicely. Onwards and upwards
whatsthepoint
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