Optibiotix Health Share Discussion Threads

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 17:35

Portrush, by the way, i still i am right in wanting to see the buy/sell think corrected, but i daresay in 3 years time there will have been no change.

elrico, he seems like the enemy, the time that you both have spent over these months, both of you even setting up threads just because of each other. All that wasted time.

You have pointed out all those things about TRAK many times before, the one about bod taking up the placement shares could be considered and probably was a good thing, in them backing the company and so far has paid off with 100 per cent return in month or so.

[malreid] 11/5/2017 17:18

I bought another 7598 shares today taking my holding to over 44k shares and a larger than i would like share of my portfolio. I'm not "in love" with the share. I just think that with all the ducks currently being lined up by the company and researching the science this has to be one of the most exciting prospects and like Elric and TT i hope it helps me retire early!!

[elrico] 11/5/2017 17:18

Neft - Michaelmouse is not my enemy. He is someone that I took exception to for lying and posting misinformation. I don't have a beef with TRAM8 either. However, I think the BOD has lost credibility.

Rather than over analyze the situation with a company that does not meet its own forecasts. I find it is easier to look at what the company expects and compare with what it has achieved.

You only need to go back 6 months; TRAKM8 has missed its forecasts, cut its forecasts and missed them again. It Had emergency fund raising before it breached bank covenants.

Compare YoY growth and compare revenues...or lack thereof as is the case. Each year is better than prior years, yet never generates any cash. Apparently the fund raising was oversubscribed. If this was the case why did management cough up for the funding. Surely it would have been better to allow II take up the funding then management buy from the market. Sure it would have cost them more, but it would have sent a better signal to the market instead of a discounted purchase.

In simple terms, here are the major issue for me;
Always books big profits - but never generates cash
Always YoY growth better than previous years - but never generates cash
BOD has serious credibility issues after missing its own targets, revised them and missed tham again
Full year target profit forecast was £3.8m. It turned out to be a mere 600k


Michaelmouse thought TRAKM8 was cheap at the beginning of 2016 at 300p. That is some fall from grace, but it's even worse because they were near 400p late 2015 and in all that time Michaelmouse has been consistently singing TRAKM8 praises and never really tackling the real elephant in the room. Cash, debt and BOD credibility.

[1bokke] 11/5/2017 17:14

Elrico I've felt the end of a spatula before and not in a good way, normal response is.. This is great love, what is it?

[elrico] 11/5/2017 17:04

Bokke - must disagree on one point in particular...I'm always teaching my wife new tricks, sometimes in the kitchen. All other points, spot on.

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 16:52

fair shakes Portrush, we will leave it that,

lougeact, of course i am not for that rag and bone man, but every dog has it's day. I am wondering if you know anything about TRAK, no doubt Elrico would point out to missed profits and debts, etc, but there is no denying that products look good and up from 65 to over 120, some others must think the tide has turned, i dont know. Just comparing the recent share price action of the 2 companies

[portrush] 11/5/2017 16:30

Neft, I couldn't give a monkeys if your impressed or not. I take your point that naive investors might see lots of red and be influenced, that's their problem....but you aren't naive and you've done your research, so stop your bleating about it. If Opti is a success, and you're not worried about trading for short term profit, you'll make money irrespective of the colour of the trades. I've watched the share price yoyo from 60 to 90 a few times now and I just sit tight and don't sweat every little thing.

[loungeact] 11/5/2017 16:24

MickeyMouse was tipping it at 400p...and now it's 126p?

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 16:01

Elrico won't thank me for posting the following because it relates to a share that his arch enmemy, M'Mouse has and we all know that this share was once 400p and the Mouse was tipping it then, having bought it, if you believe him, in it's teens

Monday April 3rd the day after the London Investment Show, just a month ago, these were the following prices of OPTI and TRAK

OPTI 84P BID TRAK 75P BID

and now, as i say, just over a month later

OPTI 63P BID TRAK 126P BID

i have been watching TRAK because it does seem to have good products and looked interesting with a recent placing at about 65p where the directors bought in.

Now, i am not saying that TRAK will not come back and that OPTI might go up
However, all in hindsight now, but what a transfer of assets that would have been.

I think for holders of OPTI this has been a sobering month and as much as holders say that they are in for the long term and such downward movement does not matter, i am inclined to ask, are they really not that bothered.

PS it does not achieve anything but i daresay if OPTI was over £1 by now ala TW, i wouldnt care what TRAK did.

[trotterstrading] 11/5/2017 14:40

Very strange one, can only be for the benefit of MM's. How hard can it be to include buy/sell indicator on the trade, when they already provide time, size, price and cost ffs?!

[elrico] 11/5/2017 13:02

Buy v sells reporting is not a mute point for the less experience PI that handed over his/her hard earned for real time prices, see's a flood of orders in the sell column and jumps before the perceived inevitable occurs. Human nature be it is, perceptions play a huge part in decision making and the less experienced will almost certainly act on the perceived selloff, this can of course lead to a self fulfilling prophecy, if there are enough numbers and in an illiquid share like OPTI, this won't take much. It is the main reason I will not subscribe to L2. The temptation is to become a trader and not an investor. And we know more traders lose money than investors.

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 12:51

portrush, naturally, i agree with your last pargraph.

The rest of your post is rubbish in the way that you arrive at and your ulimate view and sums up the menatlity of a lot of people on bb's, the guys who support you can join you. If i was thinking of buying OPTI as a new investor and see raft of sells, i might well be put off, blinkered thinking by you in only seeing what you want to see. Portrush = "ive got my shares , dont give a toss about buys being shwn as sells, that guy Neft must be a trader, etc." im surprised you go on a bb if you have your shares and dont care about anything else, i am not impressed.

[luminoso] 11/5/2017 12:38

The markets have to be riggable or a lot of institutions would not participate and therefore liquidity would be a serious problem. Just my cynical point of view.

[portrush] 11/5/2017 12:29

Seems to me that people who worry about the buy/sell thing are either very insecure about their investment and need reassuring by seeing loads of buys, or are desperate to know what way the tide is flowing so they can either jump on the for the ride up or jump off. If you're not a trader wanting to make or save 10%, what does it really matter? I do agree though there should be more accurate reporting, but only from the point of view that it is ridiculous in this day and age that misreporting is tolerated.

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 12:04

Well, i think it so annoying when you look at the trades and see a raft of deals in the wrong column, as the compter sofware system is set up in a certain way. This should be easy to rectify by marking each deal with a B or S that would overide whatever is in their system. We all accept it and maybe talk about it occassionally but action is required, imo., albeit that the petition fell on deaf ears. Obvuisly, rediculous quoted spread on NEX makes is much worse.

On OPTI, for some, it must be a real little beauty of an earner, as it seems to pay off buying at 60 and selling at 87 and then rebuying in the low 60's and so on. It's an art in itself.

I'll wager that the brokers/mm's, (TW)know what is going on and how to play the game.

[marnewton] 11/5/2017 11:09

Hi Neft,

Whether a buy or sell is a moot point.

It's nice to know - albeit a bit navel-gazing - but it's the bigger picture that matters, and that's the one drawn by the share-price.

It's all in the price; which ultimately gives us an idea of accumulation/distribution.

Just a view...

M

[rafboy] 11/5/2017 10:14

Neft, it has been like this for as long as I can remember. No, it's not helping us PIs at all but people seem reluctant to change things, why?

[judijudi] 11/5/2017 10:13

It has gone on with every share I have ever owned
So not unusual in the slightest from my perspective

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 10:04

Interesting that there are no comments on my above post's. I must presume that everyone is fine apart from me and speccy with that fact that buys at 63.85 (now 64.1) are showing as sells, just because the quoted offer is showing 66. Even elrico has chosen to post on the other thread (for some reason beyond me).

Ok, no big deal.

[elrico] 11/5/2017 09:52

Facts spelt with a capital L.

Trotters....whats stoping you? Pretending to be busy...:)

[neftanikoff] 11/5/2017 09:19

As an aside, that's bloody ridiculous. Why are sites reporting buys and sells not able to state with certainty if it's a buy or sell? There's no reason to hide the reality, unless you want to manipulate people's perception of what's going on? The greatest gift that could be given to private investors would be a reform of this arcane practice and some real data to base our investment decisions on. It's madness that we're risking thousands of pounds on decisions informed by guesswork of what might have been bought or sold in a day. There you go ShareProphets - if you want to pick a fight with the establishment in order to help private investors, that's one that would be truly revolutionary!


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The above extract is from Speccy (4 eyes) recent blog and i have to agree with him. I remeber signing a petition once to try and stop this malpractice. We need a Martin Lewis type to help stop this wrongdoing.

An example, today as i write this, the quoted is 64/67 and yet buys are currently (at 9.19am) being done at 65 and so show as sells, which is incorrect.

The whole system needs chaging, I guess the volume is more or less correct for a given day, but the actual sells and buys are nonsense and with deals being reported late and sometimes smallish deals being collected and showing later, well this makes it even more confusing.

PS now buys at 64.7 and so falling (unfortunately) and so i guess the quoted offer will fall from 67 eventually, if things dont improve.

[parob] 11/5/2017 09:12

Hopefully not too long to wait now for news on SBTX share distribution...