Majedie Investments Share Discussion Threads

[rambutan2] 06/12/2017 03:25

Results out yesterday. Good rise in div to 9.75p total for the year. Nav rise less exciting than some, but into double figures. Remains a long term hold.

[topvest] 02/8/2017 20:13

Yes, a bit harsh but doesn't really bother me too much. Happy to hold this long-term. Majedie are a quality asset manager.

[edwardt] 02/8/2017 17:12

6 months or so this has gone from near zero discount to circa 13. a bit harsh??

[rambutan2] 25/5/2017 11:08

Yes agree.

Also to note from the interim statement was that the Aviva "overhang" is now less overhung:

It is pleasing that the discount at which the Company's shares trade has narrowed over the six months to 31 March 2017 from 14.2% to 8.9% (debt at fair value). The Chairman and Chief Executive have previously commented that a large holding in the Company was transferred to Aviva Investors, who are not expected to be a long term investor. We have met with representatives of Aviva Investors to understand their views and they confirmed that they are comfortable holders in the medium term given the uniqueness of the Company's investment proposition. This notwithstanding, the Board has and will continue to explore options to help Aviva Investors to exit their position as and when they might wish.

[edwardt] 25/5/2017 08:39

for anyone listening, it is worth noting that the MAM stake yields a whopping 10% to this trust. ok there is some expensive debt that is marked accordingly but for me that yield with a firm that is clearly growing its assets both on a flow and actual basis has to be a 'cheap' asset. where else can you get that yield.....

[spectoacc] 21/12/2016 09:22

Good luck holders, I couldn't have called this one more wrong if I tried! Ah well.

[edwardt] 12/12/2016 12:42

market waking up to nav uplift here post results??

[edwardt] 05/12/2016 08:57

basically £5m on nav from September 30th - a nice yet conservative uplift in nav.

[spectoacc] 22/11/2016 08:29

I fear I sold out for a fast loss, which would have been a fast profit if I'd held on - latest NAV doesn't explain the rise tho, so maybe you're right re MAM revaluation. With hindsight, think it's a bit risky for me - like the discount & performance, but there's the "double whammy" of either rises or falls depending on MAM. ie funds go up, MAJE goes up, MAM goes up, MAJE NAV goes up - but also all in reverse. Same position as eg LTI, but different position to eg LWDB, whose "extra business" is different.

[edwardt] 16/11/2016 17:27

specto = hold your nerve. I am hoping for a good nav boost when MAM stake value gets updated ....

[spectoacc] 08/11/2016 07:55

Discount seems to go ever-wider lately.

[edwardt] 08/12/2015 08:54

key thing is valuation methodology - done as far as I can tell on 3 yr average of aum /profitability. hence more to go for given aum as of today is nearer £11bn. hence on 3% of aum, more write ups due all things being equal. dyor.

[topvest] 07/12/2015 19:30

Yes, all very positive indeed. Majedie is all about its investment manager. Polar Capital is on a similar valuation and yield as MAM. Both are high quality asset managers which is a sector I'm really keen on.

[edwardt] 07/12/2015 11:25

MAM revalued again - got to love it , by my maths valuation still implies a 6.4% yield on that asset - where can you find a dividend stream such as this that actually grows?

[rambutan2] 10/12/2014 17:36

Re SIT's 20% stake in the manager, looks as though will have to wait for the first results for a fig/calc to be disclosed. Certainly has potential though. Below is from prospectus...

3 Investment in the Manager
The Company will acquire a 20 per cent. equity interest in the share capital of the Manager on Admission at the same price per share at which the SAM Founder Shareholders subscribed for their shares in the Manager. Assuming that the Issue is subscribed as to 50 million Ordinary Shares, the Company’s investment in the Manager will constitute less than 0.5 per cent. of the Company’s Net Asset Value on Admission. This equity interest will be retained in accordance with the Company’s investment policy as set out in Part I of this Prospectus.

The Directors expect that the Company’s investment in the Manager will help foster a relationship between the two entities that better aligns the interests of the principals of the Manager with the Company. The Directors note the potential for significant capital appreciation offered by the 20 per cent. equity interest that the Company will hold in the Manager. The business plan adopted by the Manager provides that it is to establish and act as investment manager to a range of investment funds that have the potential to earn the Manager both management and performance fees. The range of funds to be managed by the Manager by the end of Q3 2014 is expected to comprise the Company and a UCITS with four sub-funds, each characterised by either a long or long/short investment strategy in UK or pan-European equities.

The Company may realise value from its investment in the Manager in part through what is expected to be a significant dividend payout rate in the medium to long term, and in part through the eventual disposal of the investment. The Board will periodically evaluate exit opportunities in respect of the Company’s investment in the Manager and will assess the viability of any such opportunities in the light of then-prevailing market conditions.

The Directors hope, however, that this co-investment in the Manager will prove to be one of the Company’s more profitable long term investments, thereby helping the Company to achieve its investment objective.

The SAM Founder Shareholders intend to subscribe for Ordinary Shares in the Issue in an aggregate amount of between £8 million to £10 million (which will represent between 16 to 20 per cent. of the Ordinary Shares in issue on Admission, assuming that the Issue is subscribed as to 50 million Ordinary Shares). The Directors believe that the Company’s investment in the Manager, and the personal investment of the SAM Founder Shareholders in the Company, give rise to a beneficial alignment of the interests of the Company and the Manager in the future success and profitability of the Company and the Manager.

[rambutan2] 10/12/2014 17:24

Following on from above...

11. The investment in Lindsell Train Limited (LTL), representing 24.42% of the Investment Manager, is held as part of the investment portfolio and is accounted for and disclosed in the same way as other investments in the portfolio. The Directors of the Company review the fair value of the investment in LTL at the end of each quarter using the simple average of:

(a) 1.5% of LTL's most recent funds under management ignoring any differences between types of asset class and fee structure; and

(b) LTL's net earnings (adjusted for a notional increase in total staff costs to 45% of revenues excluding performance fees*) divided by the annual average yield on the 2.5% Consolidated Loan Stock plus an equity risk premium of 4.5%.

The Board reserves the right to vary the valuation methodology at its discretion.

[rambutan2] 10/12/2014 17:14

Prob worth comparing it to the valuations put on the management stake by the boards at LTI and SIT, although neither is of the same size as the Majedie business.

[edwardt] 10/12/2014 16:43

when you assume a valuation similar to jupiter /henderson and applying a p/e average of those two, i get a valuation nearer £60m not £40m on our holding. i think the board are applying a very large illiquidity discount on the shares. dyor etc.

[topvest] 08/12/2014 17:44

Yes, it looks cheap on dividend yield alone. They will be selling over the next 4 years, so it's importance will diminish. This holding has saved them though. The investment performance otherwise has been very very poor and the costs too high. Things look brighter following the change of strategy though.

[edwardt] 08/12/2014 14:38

anyone done any calcs on value of majedie holding. with £10bn of aum and we own a 18% stake, so £40m valuation seems conservative when cf against someone like henderson??? i think they apply a meaty discount due to illiquidity...

[edwardt] 24/6/2014 10:25

expect we will see a capital raise here soon, it will be a neat way of improving liquidity in this trust.

[asmodeus] 18/6/2014 14:16

Only to say that I am also a happy holder, and, according to the half-year report, just received, "The total shareholder return, including divs., was +35%" for the half-year ended 31st March 2014, and the NAV total return inc. divs. was +6.1%. And regarding the discount, the report says this has already narrowed from "14.3 % on January 11th 2014" to "close to NAV by end of May." Surely this report is available for viewing by anybody, somewhere?

[edwardt] 18/6/2014 13:49

happy holder on this one - anyone got any current views?

[edwardt] 16/1/2014 08:55

well why not get the discount in and raise more money here. the free float is not big enough here and most wealth manager firms would not touch a fund unless it is way over 100m. Also is tortoise shut to new investors, in which case this may be a good route to access - the performance on a risk adjusted basis has been superb..

also the debt needs sorting out, anyone provide any colour on this?

[topvest] 15/1/2014 20:54

Yes, just caught up with this. Makes sense to me. Nice that they followed my advice...lol! Javelin Capital just hasn't been successful. MAM are a much better fund manager. Dividend needed re-basing as it was unsustainable. Sustainable investment strategy should now be in place, and make sense to divest of the MAM shares over time. Share price up shows that the market likes this move. It does make you wonder whether MAM may use this as a first go at managing an investment trust. They may launch more I guess!