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[jl5006] 18/6/2021 19:48

Forget the Germans - Bosch Nivea - the Dutch - but the woke Open Uni -
The whole effing establishment -
Nut nuts will totally screw this isle - u got dementia doris - u clearly aint got a clue

[scruff1] 18/6/2021 19:46

Hard to disagree with anything Alistair Heath says there. Its long been my view and I stand by my view that he will become detested by Conservatives (at least the non woke/socialist variety). I may be alone but I already detest the man. I dont know but I could see a collapse in the Tory vote and a surge in the Lib Dems as the only alternative - but alternative there must and will be. There seems to have been an awakening of voters. They are no longer one party from birth. They wont be dictated to and they wont be fooled by populism a la Johnson. Everything hes done is anti Tory. Hes an idiot imo

[maxk] 18/6/2021 19:39

Boycott the lot of the fukkers.

[portside1] 18/6/2021 19:17

Family in Belfast say the U.K. should force the Eu to man a hard border on the ROI border to stop Eu goods coming to the U.K. not in the Irish Sea Put in place a hard border and do not allow any ROI goods to pass into NIThis is the view of most in Belfast

[pandy999] 18/6/2021 18:59

I never vote for personal finances . Wot i'm implying is going over your head but I gotta be careful in print .

[xxxxxy] 18/6/2021 18:57

So we'll put. Honestly honest. Thanks

[arja] 18/6/2021 18:49

yes , a tragedy but weird to link it to brexit unless you are saying that of course brexit makes people poorer generally speaking and you regret your decision.

[pandy999] 18/6/2021 18:42

22 little kids got blown up in Manchester ! , I voted brexit and never liberal labour or conservative.

[pandy999] 18/6/2021 18:24

Create poverty create crime

[arja] 18/6/2021 18:22

psycho,
read the following article and tell me if you agree with Johnson or not . It will tell me if
you are even moderately intelligent . Also listen to James O'brien explaining the effects of brexit and you might become more enlightened and still hope for you .



We have learned today that Boris Johnson is planning to remove the Electoral Commission’s power to prosecute corrupt politicians.

If he succeeds, our elections regulator will no longer be able to hold to account those politicians found to have taken back-handers or lied to the public during election / referendum campaigns.

Removing these powers from the guardians of electoral integrity would be the most outrageous attack on democracy since the lies told by the Vote Leave campaign in 2016.
We cannot allow a Prime Minister who was carried to power by a campaign so full of lies and deceit to neuter the official body responsible for protecting us from such lies and deceit.

Our democracy can’t stand much more of this. Enough is enough.
Over the weekend, we'll be kicking off a campaign to ensure every voter knows what this outrageous Vote Leave Government is up to.

[maxk] 18/6/2021 18:11

Beware, Boris. This is only the start of a southern revolt against your high-tax, eco-extreme agenda

The Tories’ humiliating by-election defeat won’t be their last if they continue to take their core voters for granted

ALLISTER HEATH
18 June 2021 • 1:19pm
Allister Heath




What is the point of voting Tory if you are a prosperous, shire-dwelling Southern voter? You’ve dutifully ticked the right box for years now, even under Tony Blair, but why bother remaining loyal any longer?

The only message you hear from the Government is that it believes in levelling up the North. That sounds sensible, as far as it goes. But you don’t live there, and as you watch your tax bill, and that of your business, shoot up, it feels awfully like the real agenda is to tear down Southern tall poppies: Neil Kinnock-style class warfare, dressed up in Tory garb. Even HS2, which you hate, won’t use and are paying for, is entirely designed to buy votes in the Midlands.

There have always been two reasons to vote Tory, one negative – to stop Labour’s mad schemes on economic, social and cultural issues – and one positive; for lower taxes, a sensible approach to the public finances, a better understanding of business and economic growth, a commitment to entrepreneurship, small business and individualism.

The negative reasons still hold: Southern Tories dislike woke cancel culture just as much as their Red Wall brethren. But, outside the North and Midlands at least, the positive vision has entirely vanished. With Sir Keir Starmer floundering, the fear of Labour is receding, allowing the sort of spectacular Lib Dem protest vote we saw this week.

There no longer is a distinctive Tory policy towards the economy, tax or freedom. Johnson’s embrace of social-democracy, dirigisme, social engineering and extreme environmentalism is in fact a catastrophic ticking time bomb for Southern Tories.


Remember his promise, during his leadership campaign, to massively increase the personal allowance and deliver huge tax cuts to his supporters in the shires? It’s all gone. The reduction in stamp duty is being reversed. There is no prospect of any meaningful tax cuts under this Government, and in fact a guarantee of much higher levies: the deficit is out of control, the national debt is surging and the public finances – and housing market – are being propped up by quantitative easing and easy money. This is a government that was already addicted to public spending before Covid, but which now believes that the old laws governing the national finances have been entirely suspended. This is one reason why they have been so blase about the side-effects of lockdown, and so willing to allow thousands of businesses to go to the wall.

Dissidents such as Rishi Sunak are powerless to act: the new consensus is that the national debt could double again and nothing bad would happen. Bizarrely for a government of Brexiteers, the UK is embracing EU levels of public spending and taxes that have done so much to cripple growth and increase youth unemployment on the continent. One generation ago, the Tories were rightly fascinated by economics and markets, reading and writing pamphlets on the subject, and fighting to convince their voters of the merits of popular capitalism, individual responsibility and entrepreneurship.

Their ideological regression has been staggering: they now stand to the Left of New Labour or Michael Heseltine, and assume that growth is something that happens only when the Government intervenes or builds a new railway line. This stunning lack of interest in the private sector’s central role in driving economic progress, and obsession with geographic central planning, bodes ill for the party’s long-term viability.

In the early 1960s, Harold Macmillan, the quintessential Left-leaning, one nation Tory, enjoyed Johnsonian levels of support, bought into Keynesian and dirigiste economics. A decade later, the British economy nearly collapsed, was bailed out by the IMF and suffered from calamitous stagflation.

Council tax is already shooting up. At some point, so will petrol tax. Corporation tax is rising sharply, making Britain a far less attractive location to base one’s business, and there are ceaseless rumours about further raids on capital gains, Southern Tories’ expensive homes and the 40 per cent pension allowance. And what about social care? Will there be a new tax to pay for it? Does the Government really believe that its voters will simply accept this?

The tax burden is already at its highest levels since the 1940s, with dozens of often stealthy rises in recent years; yet it will need to increase further to pay for the massive expenditure earmarked for the NHS and its Covid backlog, on the absurd pension triple-lock and on the myriad other lavish promises.

Yet it gets even worse: who will pay for Johnson’s green revolution? Who will stump up for the new electric cars and the infrastructure that goes with it? If you own three cars and live in a Buckinghamshire suburb, you will be hammered. And what about the new green boiler? Tory-voting households could end up with a combined £50,000 bill, over and above the usual replacement costs, and that is before the pricier meat and the more expensive foreign flights. Yes, all the spending will benefit plumbers and electricians, and workers in new Northern electric battery factories, but the tab will be picked up by a furious Southern middle class.

It has been clear for years now that a major realignment of politics is taking place: values and education matter more than traditional class allegiance. Far more skilled, university educated, high income people have embraced Left-wing ideologies, a shift intensified by Brexit. The extent of this in Amersham and Chesham is being exaggerated, but it is a factor. One reason is that younger people are priced out of the housing market, partly because older voters oppose enough housebuilding, and are thus dissatisfied with capitalism.

The Tory challenge is to hold on to enough of its old electorate, including Southern professionals in their late 30s and above while consolidating its epoch-defining gains with the working class. Yet the Tories don’t even have a strategy to attempt this: by embracing social democracy and abandoning capitalism (while struggling to find a coherent, workable message on housing) they have almost nothing positive to say to Remainerish, open-minded swing voters. This is madness as it is they who defected in Buckinghamshire.

A proper Tory agenda on the economy, tax, housing (based around new towns and garden suburbs) and education would make a difference to this key cohort, and needn’t upset new recruits in the Red Wall.

Johnson remains extraordinarily popular across Britain as a whole, and his policies on crime, the culture wars and Brexit are hugely better than Labour’s. But this week’s humiliating loss will be replicated all over the South if the Tories become synonymous with higher taxes and attacks on aspiration.

[psychochopper] 18/6/2021 18:06

Arja, I was one of the thickos who did Engineering at Oxford, regarded as the top engineering school in the world now. Was behind Cambridge by a touch in my day.

As I say, you make a lot of assumptions about many things - it it quite revealing (and hardly praiseworthy).

So now 2 questions for you:

a) your education, if any
b) your COVID vaccine, if any.

You should attempt to answer both, it’s not multiple choice.

[fatnacker] 18/6/2021 17:39

god you're boring, little wonder your chum in Northumberland gave you the elbow.

[arja] 18/6/2021 17:33

shows how thick you are to believe that FPTP is a fair system . I would question your own education if it lead you to think that .

[arja] 18/6/2021 17:31

psycho ,
ironic that you ask that with pseudonym like yours . Also , you are a brextremist
voting to make people worse off which shows you have no education or even a modicum of common sense , unless you are a billionaire who made a killing from brexit !
so tell us all about your education please as I see you as a real thickie .

[freddie01] 18/6/2021 16:36

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[freddie01] 18/6/2021 16:27

GB News
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[the_man_with_the_pink_gun] 18/6/2021 16:22

MARKETS FORGOT ABOUT DEBT, INFLATION AND INTEREST RATES.