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[xxxxxy] 13/12/2020 10:50

From Daily Mail...Chancellor Angela Merkel is being blamed for the European Union's hard line during Brexit deal negotiationsOne source said that she was 'determined to make Britain crawl across broken glass' rather than compromise ... What is it about Germany that they seem so filled with hate... NO GOING BACK NOW.WE HAVE SEEN THE EUSSR AS IT IS.WE HAVE SEEN THEIR HATE.NO DEALWTOLIBERTY

[maxk] 13/12/2020 10:46

careful.

Mercs sold 30k cars to the UK in 2019.


Do the maffs before you start throwing "only few grand" type numbers around.

[cheshire pete] 13/12/2020 10:45

£350 million a week an underestimate.

[investtofly] 13/12/2020 10:44

The consumer has so much power if they only use it...If the price of items go up, STOP buying them, they will soon come back down.This happened in The US years ago with Coffee, the consumers stopped buying and the price plummeted.

[alphorn] 13/12/2020 10:41

A Lowestoft fisherman said 'The Government allowed our quota to be bought up by foreign companies, but it’s a public asset'

A true king among idiots.

Next step - Land and property is a public asset, foreign held UK based companies are a public asset, foreign held shares in a UK company are a public asset.

Confiscate and nationalise everything in sight.

...........get ready for the silly season. It will arrive very very soon.

This thread is a training session. Lol

[heialex1] 13/12/2020 10:41

Of course it was. But it was simple enough for the headbangers to regurgitate. The problem is, I think the originators of that lie started to believe it themselves.The EU were extremely clear from day one about the integrity of the single market.

[careful] 13/12/2020 10:33

I always though this argument about German car makers being terrified on no deal was overdone.
the UK is an important market, but as a Mercedes owner I do not think a 10% tariff is too onerous.
They will shave it down to 5% or less by special offers, an extra £2k on a £30k would not stop me buying the car I wanted.
Fleet buyers get huge % discounts. This tariff will be absorbed.

Nigel Farage, seemed to put great hope on the desperation of the German car makers.
As always he does not understand the detail.

The German car makers would lose some business in the UK market, but I doubt if it would be significant. They sell into many other markets.

[cheshire pete] 13/12/2020 10:31

No surrender Boris.

EU don't want a deal. They want to control us. We voted to be free of EU.

[polar fox] 13/12/2020 10:29

BBC - PM call with Brussels now to be around 11.00, only half an hour away.

[mo123] 13/12/2020 10:22

Well done to Sophie Blackett, whose card shows imagination, design flair and kindred spirit at this time of year.

[careful] 13/12/2020 10:21

Sentiment has changed for many reasons;

'The easiest trade deal in history' Liam Fox.
'The German car makers will be begging or a deal' Nigel Farage.
'An oven ready deal, cake and eat it'. Boris Johnson.

On top of that, Covid has given many a taste of insecurity and financial worry.
Confidence in the future is at a low ebb.

Confidence tricksters like Boris Johnson and Farage always reach a point when they are found out. Then the enthusiasm of their followers turns to anger and bitterness.

This could end up with a left wing socialist government and renewed membership of the EU.

[diku] 13/12/2020 10:06

But why has the sentiment changed?...is it because the length of time it has taken to complete a task?...and lots of unnecessary noises in between...






Latest figures show a maximum gap.

Brexiteers in 2016 were 37%.
Remainers. in 2016 were 30%

Today, latest polling.
Brexiteers today are 25%
Remainers today.are 38%

Sentiment has changed.

[bargainbob] 13/12/2020 10:04

Utricky tree should be ashamed . The card captures 2020 . What
A nasty English Nationalist.

[bargainbob] 13/12/2020 09:58

Utrickytrees caught talking lies again . Not surprised to be fair .

[josh 32] 13/12/2020 09:57

4 million backed a poll for remain 1 million marched to London demanding to have brexit cancelled the remain standard was raised by Jo Swinson backed European mercenaries like Dominic Grieves, Umunna,Gymah Jo Swinson on eve of election said the British people had spoken and she was certain she had a mandate to cancel brexit labour and conservative mps deserted their parties then the British silent majority spoke they didn't shout and scream no they exercised their democratic rights like they did in 2016 but more powerfully this time and Boris won on promise of brexit even in labour heart lands

[xxxxxy] 13/12/2020 09:55

You must cut free of the lethal embrace of the Empire"Guest article by Andrea Hossó, Hungarian pro-Brexit economist, finance professional, former Trade Negotiator?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020On Brexit, Trump, democracy, and the evil empire that is the EUToday sees the Prime Minister facing his fifth Brexit deadline. We understand that he is intending to address the nation on television this afternoon and we expect him to announce that the country must now assume there will be no trade deal with the EU prior to 31 Dec 2020. We further expect him to leave the door open to continued negotiations - something we would most definitely not do as this has the effect of prolonging uncertainty.Whilst waiting for the Prime Minister's statement, below we present a guest article by Andrea Hossó, a respected pro-Brexit economist. In it she discusses basic issues in relation to 'the EU Empire', Brexit, President Trump, and democracy. We hope you find it interesting."You must cut free of the lethal embrace of the Empire"By Andrea HossóEconomist, Financial Professional, and Former Trade NegotiatorDeadlines keep passing in this interminable purgatory of Brexit 'negotiations' without much actually happening. There is a lot of talk about trade, the usual handwringing about impending economic disasters, and dark warnings about the UK's diminished standing in the world.Project Fear is again - still - in full swing trying to avert the inevitable: the UK's departure from the EU to turn into a fully independent, sovereign state.'Leave' was never supposed to winThe Brexit vote was never supposed to win. David Cameron and the 'elite' were convinced that most people would never vote to leave; had he thought it possible he would never have allowed the referendum.He believed it was impossible not only because Project Fear was unleashed on the population with the full force of the state, big business and big media, but also because he could not imagine that people would dare to think that leaving was possible. Not after so many decades of brainwashing, not despite a system of such deeply vested interests. The inertia was surely overwhelming.Right: David Cameron in Sky TV debate, © Sky News?Trump was never supposed to winIn the same way, the American 'elite' did not believe in 2016 that Donald Trump could win the elections. Not under the barrage of media propaganda and brainwashing, not despite a system of such deeply vested interests. They wanted to make sure this could never happen again so we are now witnessing the 2020 election aftermath melting into a scenario redolent of banana republics.We are currently presented with parallel virtual universes: on one side, there is the President and his legal teams, and an army of witnesses with thousands of affidavits speaking up at dozens of hearings. On the other side, we are bombarded with the mainstream media's and politicians' breathless assertions that their candidate is indeed the president-elect.?Even when they furtively mention the Trump side's challenges, without exception they qualify these as "baseless" and "unfounded", sounding ever more like a Greek drama chorus repeating an epitheton ornans ad infinitum. Undesirable opinions and challenges are censored and taken off the internet. Tens of millions of American voters, on both sides, now believe that the elections were rigged but even the collapse of the institutional system is not too dear a price to secure the 'right' result.As it is in the US, so it is in the UKThe UK and the US face different situations but the basic issue is the same. Nobody is allowed to leave the Empire, the brave new world, based on shared humanity, democracy (as long as it is the 'right' variety), a multitude of group identities all united in being quite different but uniformly subjugated to the same world order.Americans are not allowed to choose a president who champions sovereignty. Similarly, no country is allowed to depart the EU, the great project uniting all those irritatingly different European nation states by depriving them of their national identities to make them instead departments of the big Empire.The paralysis of democracyJean-Pierre Chevènement, leftist French politician, writes in his book:"The political paralysis of democracy [in the European Union] has been institutionalised: no general European interest can emerge from the complex and opaque decision-making process of its institutions." *On the other end of the political palette, Philippe de Villiers, right-wing French politician writes in his book:"A European citizenry is an illusion. There is no agora and no such thing as a European people. We are too divided by our traditions, our past and our languages, to be able to form a political community capable of thinking together with a view to a common good. But the Union keeps marching on stealthily. It is a creature of the depths; what it fears is the light. It thrives in the shadow of this kratos with no demos and this parliament with no people." *The UK must cut free of the lethal embrace of the EmpireThere is only one solution if you want to escape the lethal embrace of the Empire: you must cut free and, if needed, accept sacrifices to do so whether you are an individual or a country.?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlargeFreedom can never be taken for granted, every generation has to fight for it. There are opponents you can't negotiate with.When two parties represent completely opposite values - one striving for independence and sovereignty, the other for domination and subjugation - there is nothing to negotiate about. Save your souls.[ * Author's translation. ]- Andrea Hossó, Sunday, 13 December 2020Permission to re-use this articleAny organisations wishing to reprint Andrea Hossó's article may do so, subject to a simple request using our contact form. Prior permission must be sought but it will almost always be granted.Please note that as ever we welcome a rebuttal article from any individual of note, presenting an alternative view.OBSERVATIONSBrexit Facts4EU.Org has published almost 2,000 articles and most are packed with facts and figures - the majority of these coming from the EU Commission itself. Occasionally we publish opinion pieces, as in the case today.Andrea Hossó has written a thoughtful and provocative article giving her perspective on the background to the UK-EU trade talks. We hope readers will enjoy it.Boris Johnson todayLater today we will hear from the PM. Like many readers we have our hopes as to what he will say, as well as our fears. One thing that every reader can be assured of is that we will deliver our clear verdict based upon the realities of what Mr Johnson announces.

[mo123] 13/12/2020 09:54

I see that xxxy the right wing extremist is full of concepts with little in the way of tangible offerings.

NO deal - WTO

A No Deal will simply transfer trading laws and regulations from Brussels to Geneva.

[poikka] 13/12/2020 09:52

Maxk - (Careful) "What is a "focus group pole" ?"

Is Careful, Minnie?

I should leave it, I know, but...