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[rovi70] 26/6/2019 17:16

smile every day at the heading "" A Recovering Quadruped""

[xxxxxy] 26/6/2019 16:52

Climate change is scientific debatable. But political imperative. Souce of much oil. But does cause a lot of cost.

Martin R
Posted June 26, 2019 at 11:48 am | Permalink

Solar activity is biggest driver of climate. Low solar activity (sunspots are one measure) ties in with colder climate (Maunder and Dalton Minimums). OTH enhanced solar activity in the last century, an increased solar magnetic field, was marked by a modest warming. Recent solar cycles (23, 24) are showing less activity which may presage a cooling period but as the sun’s behaviour isn’t properly predictable who can say?

[smartypants] 26/6/2019 16:14

bog off..2 posts for the price of 1?

Johnson unlikely to deliver Brexit promise - Hunt

"You should only, (if you want to be prime minister), make promises you can actually deliver.”

I'm the person who’s far, far more likely to deliver Brexit by October 31 because I can negotiate a deal with the European Union and that’s what I’m going to do," Hunt stated.


Great British Democracy?

My concern about that fixed date is that we know Parliament will try and stop a no-deal Brexit and then you could end up tripping into a general election.

That puts Corbyn in Downing Street and there’ll be no Brexit at all.


“We are so popular..we might get voted out”...heaven forbid!

[bargainbob] 26/6/2019 16:02

Jermery Hunt calls Brexit voters Little Englanders .

Full of land of hope and wacko Jacko's .

[maxk] 26/6/2019 15:55

Brexiteers have nailed Boris Johnson down and will accept no excuses for delaying Brexit


Asa Bennett 26 JUNE 2019 • 1:05PM




From the moment Boris Johnson promised at the start of his Tory leadership campaign to ensure the United Kingdom left the European Union on October 31st "deal or no deal", I thought it was worth keeping an eye on how closely he stuck to that pledge.

Mr Johnson seemed to go off track in last week's BBC debate, suggesting that the Halloween deadline was just "eminently feasible". Such wayward remarks have clearly driven his Tory Eurosceptic backers to take a closer interest in his campaign, with Iain Duncan Smith now taking the reins.

The IDS influence has already had an impact, with the leadership frontrunner happy to tie himself in unquestionable terms to Brexit by October 31.

[mikemichael2] 26/6/2019 15:53

bit thick :

Article 70 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties will still apply and oblige the UK to pay what is deemed to be due under existing EU agreements.

[maxk] 26/6/2019 15:49

May in drag

[smartypants] 26/6/2019 15:42

Gran Britannia to EU:
Look...The Great British public (some of them) have voted to leave the EU so we are leaving, we want nothing more to do with you.
Now, if you wont be reasonable and give us a deal with every thing that we want, then we will leave without one...ok?
There is nothing you can do to stop us.
The EU:
Well we are sorry that you are going.
There is nothing we can do to stop you.
We have negotiated a deal with you, and your PM agreed to it.
This was, and is the best possible deal that all 27 member states can agree to.
There is no better deal that we can do.
Good bye.
Gran Britannia:
Look don't be so unreasonable.
You have "treated us like dirt"
We are not going to take this, if you don't treat us better then we won't leave....
Or..we will leave no matter how much harm it does to the Great British public, the Great British economy or the Great British Isles!!
So what do you say to that....frogs?
The EU:
Good bye......

Hunt: EU treated UK like 'dirt'

Jeremy Hunt, told BBC on Wednesday that the European Union has treated the United Kingdom like "dirt" and has not shown any respect during the withdrawal.

Instead, the British foreign secretary vowed to pursue a Brexit approach "totally different" to the one taken by May.

Hunt went on to say that he does not intend to underestimate the impact of a no-deal Brexit to the UK economy and businesses, while also promising to protect the UK's aid budget.

Yesterday he said that, he is the right person to deliver the UK’s departure from the EU, because he is capable of saving the relationship with Brussels, but he is not afraid to "speak uncomfortable truths."

"capable of saving the relationship" treated "us" like dirt....

[maxk] 26/6/2019 15:42

It didnt take long....





Tory leadership latest news: Jeremy Hunt under fire for 'snide' comment describing Leave voters as 'little England'







Jeremy Hunt has made the first major gaffe of his campaign by implying that people who voted Leave are “little Englanders”.

In a Twitter response to a question about Brexit, Mr Hunt said he would “deliver a Brexit that works for the 48% not just the 52% - a positive, open and internationalist...



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[corpbull] 26/6/2019 15:21

Minerve! Are you back to your old self upsetting everyone again? Ha Ha! Keep it up!

[bit thick] 26/6/2019 15:19

"the EU could sue us over the divorce payment" Tell me where is says in article 50 we have to pay a divorce payment? If it is not written down anywhere they can "go whistle"

[crossing_the_rubicon] 26/6/2019 14:57

"mikemichael226 Jun '19 - 13:59 - 262847 of 262852
Save 39 billion? deal or no deal, the EU could sue us over the divorce payment if we don’t pay up – and is likely to, given the huge amounts involved"

And we Mike, should counter sue for our share of the assets our 43 years of net contributions c £270-290bn have purchased........

I'm not averse to paying what we genuinely owe, but we certainly dont owe £39bn, which is eye gouging, and where are our share of the assets?

If the EU want to play nasty I am accepting of the UK playing in similar fashion - in fact I;d welcome Trumpesque tariffs on German cars and French wine/cheese as an opener.

Except I'd not make them a measly 10-25% but 200-300%.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 26/6/2019 14:52

Smarty

"Open basic Santander current account (no monthly fee)...set up 2 x direct debits...(2 x £1 direct debits to charities)
Switch to First Direct £125
Switch to Natwest rewards £150
Switch to HSBC £175
Switch back to Santander...Close"

HSBC pretty slack given they own First Direct so you've scammed them for £300!
For scamming is what you are doing.

[willoicc] 26/6/2019 14:17

5xy keep up the good work. Always remember people who tell others to grow up are the ones who need to grow up themselves.

[xxxxxy] 26/6/2019 14:08

Boycott support for the Con and Labour party of QUISLINGS.

Support the Brexit Party for Brexit.

LEAVE and WTO

[xxxxxy] 26/6/2019 14:06

A reminder of the TREACHERY of the QUISLINGS


My letter to the Attorney General about the delay Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MAY 10, 2019
Given the government’s difficulty in replying to this, I am re issuing it and encourage all to circulate it more widely. The conventional media refuse to ask these questions of the government and supporters of the Agreement.

Dear Geoffrey

Let me have another go at getting a reply from you concerning the way the Withdrawal Agreement stops us leaving the EU. Would you kindly confirm

1. If we sign this Treaty we will be locked into the EU and have to obey all its rules and pay all the bills it sends us for a period of at least 21 months, and probably for 45 months if we have not surrendered further to reach an exit agreement at the 21 month stage. This would mean remaining in the EU for at least 5 years from the decision to leave and probably for 7 years. The EU would be able to legislate and spend against UK interests during this period, whilst we would have no vote or voice in the matter.

2. In order to “leave” in your terms at the 5 to 7 year stage the UK will need to stay in the customs union and accept all single market rules and laws, unless the EU relented over the alleged Irish border issue. 3 years on and the EU has given no ground on the made up border issue, so why would they over the next two years? Isn’t the most likely outcome we would remain in the single market and customs union contrary to the government promise leaving meant leaving them in its referendum literature ?

3. After the 45 month period fully in the EU, the UK still would face financial obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty. The bills will be decided by the EU and we will have to pay them. Any attempt to query them would be adjudicated by the EU’s own court! The longer we stay in the more the future bills are likely to be. The £39 bn figure is likely to be a considerable underestimate.

4 The Treaty creates a category of super citizen in the UK. EU nationals living in the UK when we “leave” the EU will have their access to benefits guaranteed in a way the rest of us do not for their entire lifetimes. So we will not be taking back control of our benefit system.

I am also concerned about a number of Articles in the draft Treaty that expressly extend EU powers and jurisdiction for a further 4 to 8 years beyond our departure date after the 21 to 45 month delay.

Article 3 asserts EU legal jurisdiction over Gibraltar and British overseas territories in general terms, where disputes about the extent of EU control would fall via the Agreement under the European Court of justice.
Article 5 reintroduces the powers of the European Court and enforces “sincere co-operation ” on us as they do not want us impeding their plans for economic, monetary and political union.
Article 31 imposes social security co-ordination on us.
Article 39 gives special protection to EU citizens currently living in the UK from changes to social security for the whole of their lives, protection which the rest of us do not enjoy.
Article 51 applies parts of the VAT regime for an additional 5 years after the long transition envisaged in the Treaty
Articles 92-3 imposes the EU state aids regime on the UK for 4 years beyond transition
Article 95 imposes binding decisions by EU quangos and bodies for 4 years beyond transition
Article 99 requires us to pay for access to records to handle issues over indirect tax where the EU keeps powers for 4 years beyond transition
Article 127 applies the whole panoply of EU law throughout transition, including the right to legislate any way they wish against our interests and enforce it on us via the ECJ
Article 130 prevents us taking back control of our fish any time soon. Doubtless more of our fishing rights would be given away trying to get an exit deal.
Article 135 allows them to send extra bills up to the end of 2028
Article 140 imposes on us financial liabilities up to December 2020 and carry over into 2021
Articles 144 and 150 prevent us getting back accumulated reserves and profits from our European Investment Fund and EIB shareholdings
Article 143 imposes adverse conditions on us over pension and loan liabilities of the Union
Article 155 requires us to make continuing payments to Turkey under an EU programme after we have left
Article 158 gives the European Court continuing power for 8 years after transition
Article 164 makes a Joint Committee an effective legislator and government over us
Article 168, the exclusivity clause , denies us access to normal international law remedies in the event of disputes. Presumably this closes off use of the Vienna Convention to renounce an onerous Treaty where there has been a material change of circumstances.
Article 174 requires any arbitration to be governed by ECJ judgements on the application of law in disputes
The Protocol on Northern Ireland will require us to stay in the Customs Union with regulatory and legal alignment with the single market, or split off a separate place called UK (NI) which will be governed differently to the rest of the UK on an island of Ireland basis.
There is much more I could object to. This is no Treaty to take back control, no Treaty for a newly independent nation. It does not quantify the financial liabilities, which are open ended and could be much larger than the low field £39bn Treasury estimate. We have little power to abate the bills and no power to abort the bills. It would probably result even in failure to take back control of our fishing grounds.
Mrs May needs to go back to the EU and explain why the UK people and Parliament have opposed this Treaty, and ask them to think again if they want an agreement before we leave. She needs to make it clear we now intend to leave without signing the Withdrawal Agreement prior to the European Parliamentary elections.
Yours
John Redwood

[mikemichael2] 26/6/2019 13:59

Save 39 billion? deal or no deal, the EU could sue us over the divorce payment if we don’t pay up – and is likely to, given the huge amounts involved.

[xxxxxy] 26/6/2019 13:54

Brexit it is.

Boris for PM

Boris for PM

Boris for PM

[bbalanjones] 26/6/2019 13:51

5xy . grow up please.

[xxxxxy] 26/6/2019 13:50

Boris for PM

LEAVE and WTO

And save 39billion for the British People

[xxxxxy] 26/6/2019 13:49

EXCLUSIVE : Why does the EU want to treat the UK worse than Vietnam?
On Sunday the EU will sign a trade deal with Vietnam. Vietnam will :
Not be forced to be a member of the Customs Union
Not be forced to be a member of the Single Market
Not be forced to have its laws decided in Brussels by a foreign court
Not be forced to pay vast amounts to the EU each year
Not be forced to subsidise poorer EU countries
Not be forced to accept freedom of movement of EU citizens
In effect Vietnam will have free trade with the EU, but without a ‘Withdrawal Agreement’

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