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Led Hldgs LSE:LED London Ordinary Share HK0000181880 ORD NPV (DI)
  Price Change % Change Share Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.00p +0.00% 35.00p 0 05:00:01
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Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Electronic & Electrical Equipment 0.00 -2.59 -0.05 3.3

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geoff80: They are issuing over a million shares at less than 13p so that does not help the share price for now.
bill182: Yes - someone got their fingers burnt badly there! It will be interesting to see where the share price is in a few weeks time. Given that you can buy at the offer price of 0.24p, it looks like the MM's want to take this down further.
bill182: Interesting movement in the share price! The company announces a circa £513k loan conversion into shares at 0.8p and the shares have now been marked down today. Buys at 0.23p are being shown as sells which would indicate the MM's are trying to move the price further down. It wouldn't surprise me to see a some contract win news in the near future from Green Pearl. You have to ask yourself, why would a director convert a loan into shares if he thought the company was trading badly! Highly speculative, but worth watching.
itchycrack: Yep, and I'm happy to continue holding too. IMHO this is a great medium term recovery play. The company is sound, they are continually looking at diversifying their product portfolio, they are marketing around the world, and I think when some of these initiatives kick in and turn into firm contracts we will begin to see some significant share price moves.
tip top: Yeh sounds fantastic, until you look at the share price!
itchycrack: Very very difficult to predict the share price going forward as LED is primarily a news driven share. 3p by the end of year doesn't look that unrealistic to me. I'd expect this to largely trade sideways (with an upwards bias) and to spike higher on positive news flow. Any major news of contracts etc will likely result in a swift re-rating and thus raise the company's profile to a wider investment audience. I'm happy to take a long term view here and see what transpires. At the end of the day the world is moving to LED for everything these days so its a rapidly growing global marketplace for their products. Although there are other companies in this sector I like LED because its given me the opportunity to acquire loads of shares for very little money and there is significant upside potential with limited downside risk IMHO. LED has had its problems in the past but its rectified these accordingly, hence I now see an investment here as more de-risked than it was a year ago. IMHO LED are clearly moving in the right direction and taking the initiative, so I now wait with patience for a return on my investment in the coming years... All IMHO of course, DYOR etc.
tts: The reason for buying shares is to INVEST in a company which hopefully will do well in the FUTURE. If a company does well then the share price goes up and investors make a profit. Has LED got a good future - YES. Are there contracts to be signed - YES (if they do their job properly and they are currently working for a government who want to spend). Could these be big contracts - YES (bloody huge). Is the share price low - YES. Could the share price increase - YES. My reasons for investing in LED.
buggy: The share may be coming down but unfortunately it is people that is losing money. We have all lost money in the market sometime. While I am a glad that I decided against buying in it is still a pity when PI lose money. { Mind you, the time I researched this the share price was 0.35p so I could have been well up even now. The company however did not meet my definition of an investment so I stayed and watched as it zoomed up ..... maybe I should have taken a punt rather than thinking it as an investment?} The chief architect of this mega rise followed by fall of a cliff genuinely believed in the share. Unfortunately the lack of liquidity came into play and the price rise becomes self sustaining. Others that came in later were mainly pump and dump ... say the right thing to ensure others follows you in and the share price keeps going. The company may still come out tommorrow with a great announcement and contracts that will secure their requirements for cash flow. There will be an undoubtable demand for lED lights in future, so if the company,say tomorrow, can secure a mega contract that will take out the risk presented by their poor financial streghts ... it becomes a different ball game. They will have the financial resource to compete for the increase demand in business for lED lights. They will be able to trade as a going concern even if this step change in demand takes up to 2 years to come. The major risk with this company is not the product, it is the company's lack of financial strenght. The company has parred away what they feel is the major cash drain in other to survive, but will what is left bring in enough bacon to keep them going? Without additional finance, do they have enough to step up production when the demand eventually comes through (12-18 months time by my estimate)? These are the risks .. anyone that answers YES to those can buy and wait on a 2 years time frame , to be safe. DYOR .... no investment advise intended ... just my reasoning which may be flawed They should also know that while the demand for lED lights may go up, LED International needs to compete for these business with other LED Light manufacturer. [At the moment I am not sure how good their Sales team are, they need to go out and compete and pull in the business in competition to others].
rich2006: Ok lets remind ourselves about LED chinese company listed on AIM HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM listed at 10p in october 2006 bounced around abit hit a high of around 22p Pacific Continental had been trying to flog them at 17p. since then the share price has tanked to below 1p very little news flow from the company and definate lack of keeping investors involved with whats going on. the company have gone from making a profit to making losses their recent interims are very poor. some of the key pointers from the recent interims are:- intense competition Business enviroment has deteriorated substantially Weakening customer demand and increases in costs lower gross margins again !!!!!!!!! So unless i am looking at the wrong company tell me where the positives are, other than the share price cannot fall much further. As i have said before be aware of pump and dump artists Below are two extracts from the interims OPERATING REVIEW The global business environment has deteriorated substantially throughout the period under review and, like many other businesses, our operating performance was significantly affected by the general slowdown in China's domestic and export markets. The Group experienced a loss for the six-month period ended 31 December 2008 compared with that of a profit during the comparable period in 2007. The operating loss was mainly attributable to weakening customer demand and relative increases in costs following the appreciation of Renminbi ('RMB'). Due to the above factors, the Board is continuing to implement measures to diversify sources of revenue and to reduce expenditure, control production costs and expand the customer base in different areas. The Board of Directors considers that the overall Group's operations remain sound. FINANCIAL REVIEW Revenue and loss attributable to shareholders for the six-month period ended 31 December 2008 amounted to approximately HK$36,759,000 and HK$2,101,000 respectively. The Group achieved a steady growth in continuing operations upon completion of a contract to supply a substantial LED display screen to be delivered in phases during the six-month period ended 31 December 2008. Since September 2007, no business transactions on sales of LED signboards, LED lighting and lighting engineering had been conducted, which represented the Group's discontinued operations. Overall gross margin of 12% was achieved during the period, lower than prior periods, due to the significant increase in costs. The significant increase in the Group's loss is primarily attributable to the operating expenses from the continuing operations of approximately HK$6,837,000, following the integration of the new operating business of Strongbase New Shenzhen Limited ('Strongbase New') as set out below, in the current six-month period. In response to the intense competition in LED products in the PRC, the Group has strengthened its research and development capabilities through the acquisition of 'Strongbase New' to further raise its brand profile to distinguish itself from generic LED product suppliers.
buggy: Hi folks regarding the source of shares in free float: It clearly said that these shares are help in norminee account for several individuals. A lot of these individuals may hold less than 3% so no need for RNS or inform the company if they sell. What was reported is the total holding for each norminee account with more than 3% of the share. [This may be owed by 1 person of 100 individual each holding 200K shares .. for example] The lock in period for these shares is stated by the company as.... .... subject to a 12 month lock in arangement expiring on 22 October 2007 and thereafter under an orderly market agreement expiring on 22 October 2008 ....... . In order words after 22nd Oct 2008 they could do what they want with their shares. And as long as they owe less than 3% holding they are under no obligation to inform the company of issue an RNS. MY PERSONAL POSITION ON LED: Not invested in these ... researched it to see if I would join as I was trying to get more China exposure. I will stay at the sidelines at the moment till next set of results. May have to pay more to join the party or may have saved myself a hefty loss. My major concern area are: the lack of working capital / Loss making./ Have issued several tranches of shares for working capital each time at reducing share price. The money raised in last tranche will not have lasted too long. The Chinese Contract: The Chinese contract thing is only R&D and the company openly states that there is no revenue for this R &D contract but they hoped that by being in the R & D they would be well positioned for any future income from this area. R&D and investigation of potential use reseach >>>> may well take up to 2 years then data, submissions and recommendation is given to the government ... It will then take some time for the govt to adopt and formulate a policy around the recommendation. Later we get to the stage of actually implementaion where contracts may start to materialise. The demand for these type of LED lights as in the specs will go up and this may translate to higher sales volume fior the company >>> as well as other companies who can manufacture that type of bulbs. One glossed over point is that if China decides for example to accept a recommendation to go for LED street lightning >>>that does not infer that LED will be told to go and change all traffic lights and street signs!!! [ The only direct contribution from LED will be the status of being one of the companies which defined the specification for street lighting and signage for China ... no money there.] The actual contract to do the job will be contested by Highway maintenace companies and whichever got the contract can source the LED lights etc from whoever they want so long as it meets the specifications which should be stated in the contract. Anyway this is not a ramp or deramp .. I have spent the last week going through the all the company's RNS and activities since listing. There is potential, as in a lot of companies in China inspite of the bad reputation they have gained in AIM. But there is also a significant excecution risk since their curent level of operaion is not profitable .... they do not have the cash resource to weather a long period of non profit. The supposed golden bullet of Chinese contract is not an income contract but an Research effort to help develop specifications. LED will not be bidding for the contract to replace the current lighting system when/if the spec is adopted. The winning bid from the Highway firm could source the lightning from whoever they wish once they get the contract .. so long as it meets the specs. A lot of other LED lights company, ( e.g StrongBase), with more financial resource are also well placed to ramp up production and be in a position to supply once the specs becomes approved and adopted by the government.... hence it is not as if LED has a head start and the market conered besides they will further be limited by their ability to commit capital in ramping up production. For me LED need to show that it is not mortgaing its future on new business that may or maynot materialise if this spec are / are not adopted. There must be an increase in TO with a return to profitability or at least a resonable expectation that their business lines are profitable. What I am currently hearing from the management is that they are planning on moving into a more profitable less competitive markets. I need a bit of evidence on how they are doing that before comitting my capital. Anyway all the best for those that are invested. Hope it comes okay for you.I will watch from the sidelines for now.
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