Kier Share Discussion Threads

[stutes] 30/6/2022 16:27

As BoE hikes the rate and moves from .25% to 0.5%+ what is the fallout for K's bottom line?

[zicopele] 30/6/2022 13:05

The price goes up? Kier is heading south, even as we speak.

[ontheforks] 30/6/2022 11:56

When were you buying bp at £2.00 first time I remember you talking about BP you were buying around the £3.19 Mark telling everyone about your isa and how this time next year you'd be a millionaire tsk tsk tsk you jump on here when the share price drops claiming the sky's falling in but when it goes up you dissappear and you wonder why you have no credibility anymore

[wallywoo] 30/6/2022 07:38

The trick with investment is to buy quality long term investments at fantastic prices. When I I invested in BP 200p, you all thought that was crazy and you should of spent money on Kier at 135p.


Iag, BP, ezt have long history of rewarding shareholders over decades, they are in market sectors which are buoyant and successful. Kier has lost investors £1.3B over decades in a sector that has consistently punished companies with poor balance sheets. When a company generates no cash it is a worthless investment and Kier has been doing this for 6+ years. It is not run for the benefit of shareholders, and has not been for years now. I have not invested in ezt yet but are following closely for a entry point over the summer.


In addition Kier always put out such bullish statements, which is fraudulent imo. They have lost £1.3B of investors wealth over multiple years and show no signs of changing. Their balance sheet is too weak, with (£-175m) tangible net assets and lots of off balance sheet debt Kier will drown quickly as cost of money rises.

[ppreston1] 29/6/2022 13:27

Hmmm. Not sure about the logic of your investment strategy. You're justifiably concerned about the impact of inflation and rising labour costs on Kier. However, you're happy to invest in the airline industry which is suffering from rising fuel prices, staffing issues and a threat to discretionary spending due to recession fears. Not to mention the potential threat of the spread of another covid mutuation. Yesterday you complained how much money Kier investors have lost. Have you looked recently at the EZJ share price?

[zicopele] 29/6/2022 12:55

I like Harbour Energy. Now that is a company which is deleveraging. Reduced debt by $600m in Q1.

Massive results expected Q2.

[wallywoo] 29/6/2022 12:49

There are great buying opportunities out there;


Iag, ezj are two I am considering (probably just go for ezj). Also like smt and brwm for low risk buys in a weak market.


The trouble with Kie is that there are too many factors against them;


Construction companies in administration, inflation, supply delays, poor balance sheet, 6 years losing cash, huge pension liability, interest rates increase etc etc.


Sometimes share prices are low because of the market, and sometimes because of the companies performance and prospects. Broker price targets for Kier have been 2-3x the share price ever since I have followed them. Kier have the worst (ie biased) brokers that follow them. They have both had buys on the stock since 1500p a share (never been changed). Both brokers have received considerable broker fees during Kier's 3 equity issues!!!! There is considerable evidence showing broker targets on smaller cap stocks is driven by brokers looking for fee based business, not looking to help pi's.


Imo the only factor stopping this dropping further is the money raised in June 21. Once that has been spent, down she goes.

[ppreston1] 29/6/2022 11:00

Since you like Warren Buffet quotes..."The most common cause of low prices is pessimism - sometimes pervasive, sometimes specific to a company or industry. We want to do business in such an environment, not because we like pessimism but because we like the prices it produces. It's optimism that is the enemy of the rational buyer."Keep up the pessimistic comments guys! You're contributing towards a great buying opportunity. Thanks again for all the hard work. Lol.

[zicopele] 29/6/2022 10:38

If you listened to Steddy, you would be a lot poorer. Down she goes, consensus or not.

As Warren Buffet said, you pay a lot of money for a consensus.

[ppreston1] 29/6/2022 10:31

The mean consensus broker target price for Kier is 175p. I guess they're all part of this grand conspiracy then? Wow, where would all those uneducated PI's be without your astute advice to save everyone from being fleeced. We should all thank you for your public service. I guess you must look into the mirror every day and pat yourself on the back. Hope you're being paid well for all your hard work. Lol.

[zicopele] 29/6/2022 09:25

He has no credibility. Posting rubbish about contract awards as if they are a pot of gold.

He should hang his head in shame.

[wallywoo] 29/6/2022 08:37

Just think of all those investors that Stdy has managed to con into buying this rubbish over the last 3 years (With messages of contracts and his opinion of how Kier will make you rich).He must be very proud of his legacy. Working so hard to ensure this worthless investment is purchased and poor investors were induced to losing their money here.Personally don't know how he sleeps at night. Amazingly like all delusional evil people, he keeps at it completely unaware of the harm he causes.

[zicopele] 29/6/2022 08:05

Maybe I was wrong. Massive recovery to 70p this morning.

[hamhamham1] 28/6/2022 15:04

Ahhh, the Chuckle Brothers, all the chat and not earning a penny, what a life ;)

[zicopele] 28/6/2022 14:51

Those telecoms contracts are burning all the spare cash. This will end very badly.

[stdyeddy] 28/6/2022 14:09

Kier wins place on Crown Commercial Service’s £35bn RM6232 Framework

Another massive framework win for our favourite construction firm. I'm looking forward to a big uplift here when we get the end of year (30th June) update with actual facts in a few weeks. Gla.

[wallywoo] 28/6/2022 13:46

The Kier share price has been in decline since 2007, when it reached the dizzy heights of 1850p. It has issued over 800 percent more shares for £836m more cash, spent it all with much less tangible net assets now.


And now is finally starting its death. It has lost investors £1.3B in wealth with just the last £300m left to go. 12 months is my guess before they lose the lot.


Weirdly it's BB is full of posters who ignore all those facts and think it's problems are the last few months of a bear market. Nothing to do with the company, who is fab and going to make you rich!!

[ppreston1] 28/6/2022 13:34

It's a bear market. Nearly everything is going down and breaking support levels. Perhaps you've been asleep at the wheel for the last few months? Utterly ridiculous argument. Lol.

[wallywoo] 28/6/2022 13:24

Lol, OK so the share price hasn't broken down from a key support, that last time tested 40p.Fund managers aren't selling shares, it's all an elaborate plot to sucker pi's into selling.And a poster who is desperately trying to discredit me, is not ignoring my questions on why you didn't point out it was Aviva selling last week, but clinging on to a rns where a indirect holding (ie owned by another party) 4/5 months ago gave Pendle 5%.

[ppreston1] 28/6/2022 13:05

But they haven't sold out. They've both marginally reduced their stakes as you can see from the RNS. Using inacurrate and bearish language like 'selling out' suits your agenda doesn't it? Where are the declared short positions? I don't see any on the FCA website. Perhaps not everyone is as bearish as you'd like us to believe. Let's also not forget Pendal.

[wallywoo] 28/6/2022 12:46

Aberdeen selling out today, Aviva selling out last week. Jupiter a few months before. All when the share price is very low.

I think you are clutching at straws trying desperately to say there is no evidence of trouble. When there's loads.

Rats leaving a sinking ship come to mind!

Why did you not point out Aviva selling out? Rather than trying to discredit me. If you were genuinely interested in research, you would of done.

[ppreston1] 28/6/2022 12:41

The problem here is there are glaring inaccuracies in your arguments. You simply invented the fact that Pendal are selling down their stake when quite the opposite is true. Then you just gloss over it when challenged with a bunch of other bearish arguments. Makes me very suspicious of your intentions. You say you want to warn PI's. Very generous indeed, but then why are you twisting the facts? I think you've been rumbled my good man.

[wallywoo] 28/6/2022 12:23

You have a fund manager selling out when the share price is near a all time low and another one a few days ago.


And you accuse me of spin?

(Meant Aviva BTW)


Have no need to, the evidence is all there to see. It's time to wake up and see what's going on. BB posters ridiculously bullish when a share price is on a long down trend. A company that has generated no cash for 6+ years, a construction industry with unprecedented supply issues and massive inflation. Builders going bust at their highest rate ever. Wake up!!!! There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

[ppreston1] 28/6/2022 11:12

Wally - that's not true. Pendal took an initial 5% stake on 1st February 2022. They didn't reduce to below 5%. Check out the RNS. Why the spin?