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JPB Jpmorgan Brazil Investment Trust Plc

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Jpmorgan Brazil Investment Trust Plc LSE:JPB London Ordinary Share GB00B602HS43 ORD 1P
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13/3/2017
10:07
Industrial output in Brazil rose on an annual basis in January for the first time in nearly three years, in a sign that a severe recession could be ending soon.

Production increased 1.4 per cent from a year earlier, government statistics agency IBGE said on Thursday.

Industrial output had been falling on an annual basis for 34 consecutive months as Brazil’s economy went through its worst recession on record. Data on Thursday showed the nation’s gross domestic product shrank 3.6 per cent in 2016, failing to improve in the fourth quarter as economists had forecast.

The stronger-than-expected industrial performance in January strengthens the argument of many economists who see Brazil emerging from recession this quarter. Finance Minister Henrique Meirelles said the nation was “clearly”; growing again.

“The data that we already have for February suggest another increase in industrial output,” economists with Sao Paulo-based Banco Bradesco wrote in a research note.

Economists expect industrial output to grow 1.1 per cent in 2017 from 2016, according to a central bank survey.

loganair
09/3/2017
11:40
Brazil Recession: Time To Buy On The Slump?

Economic woes are not new to the Brazilian economy with its gross domestic product shrinking for the eighth successive quarter. Brazil recorded a 0.9% sequential decline in GDP in the fourth quarter of 2016, reflecting the steepest slump in a year after a revised 0.7% drop in the previous quarter and wider than market expectations of a 0.6% fall.

With this, the Brazilian economy saw two straight years of recession in 2016. On a yearly basis, Brazil's GDP plummeted 3.6% in 2016, following a 3.8% slump in 2015. Investment declined 10.2% last year, probably reflecting Brazil's high interest rates. Household consumption was also in bad shape.

How Should The Investing World React?

Brazilian stocks and ETFs have been on a tear this year with the large-cap Brazil fund iShares MSCI Brazil Capped advancing about 13.8% and the small-cap fund iShares MSCI Brazil Small-Cap surging about 30.2% (as of March 7, 2017).

The reason for this was successive rate cuts by the Brazilian central bank. Hopes of new reforms that can shore up the country's recession-stricken economy after the impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff, commodity strength and easing inflationary pressure perked up Brazil ETFs.

In view of cooling inflation (which was once sky-high) and soft economic growth, Brazil embarked on an aggressive policy easing cycle. The country slashed interest rates by 25 bps for the first time in four years in mid-October, giving signs of a turnaround in the long-ailing economy.

The Brazilian central bank cut rates by 25 bps in November, by 75 basis points to 13.00% in early January, and by 75 basis points to 12.25% in late February. The fourth rate cut pushed down borrowing costs to almost a two-year low.

Now, the recently released weak GDP data has stirred talk of further and steeper rate cuts in the coming days. And rate cuts are possible given the fact that the inflation rate declined for the fifth month to 5.35% in January, reflecting the lowest level since September of 2012. Low rates would provide some relief to debt-ridden families and perk up business sentiments.

Has Brazil Recession Bottomed?

A group of analysts believe that Brazil is now showing signs of recovery. Some expect the economy to log a meagre 0.5% expansion in 2017, though the government had forecast 1%. However, responding to the weak GDP data, some economists lowered their view on the economy and see no growth. In fact, they believe that anything meaningful on the positive side is not expected before 2018.

Note that, President Temer is trying to clear an austerity agenda through Congress. Finance Minister Henrique Meirelles said, "the government could raise taxes or cut spending further if necessary to achieve its 143.1 billion reais ($45.87 billion) primary deficit goal."

Finance minister of Brazil also indicated that the latest GDP data bore the mistakes of past policies. Market watchers now believe that this could be the end of recession and the economy will take root, but slowly. So, moderate gains are likely ahead.

loganair
08/3/2017
11:53
Latin America’s largest economy Brazil has contracted by 3.6 percent in 2016, shrinking for the second year in a row; statistics agency IBGE said on Tuesday. It confirmed the country is facing its longest and deepest recession in recorded history.

Data shows gross domestic product (GDP) fell for the eighth straight quarter in the three months to December, down 0.9 percent from the previous quarter. The figure was worse than the 0.5 percent decline economists had forecast and left the country’s overall GDP down 3.6 percent for the full year following a 3.8 percent drop in 2015.

“In real terms, GDP is now nine percent below its pre-recession peak,” Neil Shearing, chief emerging markets economist at Capital Economics, told the Financial Times.

“This is comfortably the worst recession in recorded history,” he added.

The two-year slump has seen the number of unemployed rise by 76 percent to almost 13 million.

Once one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, Brazil has been hit by the fall in commodity prices and an internal political crisis. The corruption scandal that involved the impeached President Dilma Rousseff and some of the country's biggest and best-known companies has undermined investor confidence.

Some economists along with the Finance Minister Henrique Meirelles, say Brazil’s recession may be over soon, and recovery could follow.

“We suspect that Q4 should also mark the end of the recession. For a start, many of the one-offs that pulled down GDP in Q3 and carried over into Q4 have faded. Auto production is growing once again. More fundamentally, inflation is falling, interest rates have been lowered, and financial conditions have eased,” said Shearing.

Chief Latin America economist at Goldman Sachs Group, Alberto Ramos, however, does not expect a dramatic turnaround.

“This is far from the expectation of a vigorous, V-shaped recovery after a long recession of historical proportions,” Ramos said. “Growth of one percent or less this year “is not something to write home about. But it’s better to have a positive print than a negative one, and there is a certain sense of relief that at least the recession is over,” he added.

loganair
02/3/2017
09:38
Investing In The World's Highest-Performing Emerging Market:


Brazilian equities have nearly doubled over the past year as it emerges from a two-year recession.

Re-emergence of positive growth, a loosening in monetary policy, and fiscal reforms are likely to boost the market further.

The above factors combined with a recent rule change should also increase demand for mortgage loans.


Brazil has been the top-performing emerging market over the past year and through the first two months of 2017 and this is a trend I expect to continue.

The basic story on Brazil is that it's been mired in a recession for ten straight quarters measured year-over-year and seven straight quarters measured quarter-over-quarter.

The central bank increased rates up to a peak point of 14.25% in the latter half of 2015, and has dropped them 275 bps since. The rate hike amid the onset of a recession seems counterintuitive, but was designed to stem capital outflows from the country to avoid exacerbating the decline. The 200-bp reduction in the first two months of 2017 has generated gains of 15% for the Brazilian equities market year-to-date.

The ideal point to get into Brazilian securities would have been at the 14.25% mark, which was kept on for about a year signaling that's where the Banco Central do Brasil ("BCB") was likely to keep rates before a cut was in order.

While the Brazilian corporate outlook has improved and capital markets have consequently generated large gains, the BCB is likely to aggressively cut rates throughout 2017. Inflation has fallen faster than previously believed. Combined with the fact that growth remains negative, a continued series of rate hikes will be in store. By the end of the year, I would expect rates to fall to around 10.0%-10.75% to support lending growth and business activity, a drop of another 150-225 bps. This will continue to be directly bullish for both the country's stock and bond markets.

Inflation has fallen from 9% in August 2016 all the way down to 5.35% as of January.

The drop has been derived from a stronger exchange range as high yields and signs of a recovery have attracted capital inflows. Additional factors include falling food prices and subpar consumer demand, which goes hand in hand with weak ongoing economic growth.

Inflation should hang in a range from 4.5%-5.5% over the next 3-5 years. The BCB targets a 3%-6% band and the recent drop has helped better establish the central bank's credibility on this front. Although inflation may fall a bit further, perhaps even a bit below 5% in some months later this year, the BCB's loosening on its monetary policy to support growth should keep inflation elevated toward the higher end of this range in the years ahead.

There is also support for further upside from the fiscal end, with the senate approving a spending limit amendment in December to help rein in expenditures. The reform will peg federal noninterest spending to a level on par with the consumer price index of the previous year. This is set to be valid for the next twenty years.

With real growth unlikely to hit above 2.5% by the end of 2019, controlling expenditures will help shrink the budget deficit down to around the 7% range (as a percentage of GDP) by the end of the decade. This is still not appealing, but will be a notable improvement from the 10%+ mark as of year-end 2015.

Social security reform remains the most pressing budgetary reform issue. Getting the budget back down to pre-recession levels of 2%-3% will necessitate spending cuts in this area, though it's a thorny issue for incumbents given the political unpopularity associated with cutting entitlements. Nonetheless, if business investment recovers and political uncertainties remain subdued (i.e., corruption probe doesn't re-emerge) growth should break into the green in 2017.

The BCB projected 2017 growth at 0.8% for the year with a steady increase to around 2% expected by year-end 2019. With Brazil's reliance on trade and commodity exportation, its own growth is subject to the economic performance among its top trading partners (e.g., China and the U.S.) and prices in the various commodity markets in which it's involved.

Brazilian Real Estate:

Less than two weeks ago, Brazil's National Monetary Council ("CMN") began loosening lending restrictions by allowing households to use their accounts in the national workers' fund as a source of capital for down payments on mortgages. This is a positive development for larger commercial banks in the country by facilitating increased accumulation of lower-risk mortgages.

Retail banks have struggled in recent years given the recession and subsequent tightening of credit that tamped down on loan volumes at the corporate and household level. While monetary tightening is often positive for lending by widening the spread between deposit interest requirements and lending rates, the benchmark rate reaching at a peak level of 14.25% too heavily discouraged growth in loan volumes.

Brazilian homebuilders have struggled from surplus supply and loosening the credit markets is the one main tool the CMN can use to engineer demand to soak up the excess inventory. Supply that too heavily exceeds demand could engineer a drop in home prices and engender further recession-related economic pain.

The rule change is largely a positive for wealthier borrowers and larger banks who have a sufficient deposit base on which to facilitate mortgage lending. Caixa Economica Federal has about two-thirds market share in the Brazilian mortgage market, though additional lenders such as Banco Santander and Banco do Brasil can use their robust capital bases to capture greater share of the market.

Conclusion:

I remain underweight equities in both the US and abroad, but Brazil is the one market with both strong underlying reasons to be long based on ongoing monetary and fiscal initiatives. It continues to be a market that I believe is going in the right direction.

Declining inflation combined with negative growth provides incentive for the central bank to continue dropping interest rates in 50-bp increments in 2017. Rate cuts are likely to be cut another 150 bps (or more) by the end of the year, which is a direct catalyst to further price appreciation in the bond and equity markets. Spending restrictions and fiscal consolidation at the federal level will help push down the deficit from its bloated current level.

Net public debt will continue to expand from its present 45%-50% figure to around 65% in five years' time, which is a fairly moderate degree of leverage. Gross domestic investment and national savings are expected to increase over time. Recovering commodity prices will help boost the country's terms of trade, which was a contributing factor to the initial economic downturn in mid-2014.

Credit costs are declining, which encourages business investment, decreases discount rates in the market for valuation purposes, and will support the health of the banking sector. Greater accommodation in the credit markets combined with a rise in growth should also benefit the real estate market.

loganair
22/2/2017
10:10
Brazilian Finance Minister Henrique Meirelles said Tuesday the recession affecting the country over the past two years is over and the economy has resumed growth.

However, the largest economy in South America is still experiencing the consequences of the long recession, he said.

"Brazil is growing today. This is very important because we all went through a tough time when Brazil faced its worst recession in history. But the important message is that the recession is over, though we are undergoing its consequences in many ways," said Meirelles.

"It was a long, difficult recession. It has generated mass unemployment. But Brazil has already started growing," he added.

Meirelles believes the current growth trend is sustainable as indicators have showed the business sector's confidence has begun to grow for the first time since 2011.

Still, many states are faced with a serious economic crisis and depending on federal aid to pay their civil servants.

loganair
09/2/2017
08:55
BRASILIA, Feb 8 Consumer prices rose less than expected in Brazil in January for the fifth straight month, increasing the chances of steeper interest rate cuts and a stronger economic recovery as the inflation rate falls toward the government's long-missed target.

The annual inflation rate eased by nearly a percentage point to 5.35 percent in the 12 months through January, below economists' expectations of 5.41 percent, overnment statistics agency IBGE said on Wednesday.

Prices rose 0.38 percent from a month earlier, the smallest rise for January since 1994.

The surprising pace of the inflation slowdown has boosted consumer and business confidence, helping the economy pull through its worst recession in decades. Lower inflation also comes as relief for unpopular President Michel Temer as he
pushes an austerity agenda through Congress.

"Single-digit interest rates this year, something that was very questionable until recently, are increasingly feasible," Sandra Pires, chief analyst at São Paulo-based brokerage Coinvalores, wrote in a research note.

Banco Fator Chief Economist José Francisco de Lima Gonçalves said he saw room for the central bank to accelerate the pace of rate cuts this month to 100 basis points, from 75 basis points at its last meeting. Most economists and traders still expect the bank to keep its current pace of easing.

Inflation is a sensitive issue in a country traumatized by runaway prices in the past. It contributed to the eroding popularity of former president Dilma Rousseff, who was ousted last year, by climbing past 10 percent until early 2016.

Slowing inflation should boost Temer's approval ratings from near-record lows even as unemployment remains high, Banco Fibra Chief Economist Cristiano Oliveira said.

"All else equal," Oliveira wrote in a note, "Temer's popularity will be up in 2018, an election year."

loganair
06/2/2017
10:22
MoneyWeek - It’s time for investors to head back to Brazil:

Brazil’s stockmarket jumped by 40% in 2016; this year, it has already gained 10%. The economy is gradually rebounding from a deep recession, while the impeachment of the former president, Dilma Rousseff, cleared the way for a business-friendly administration led by Michael Temer.

All very well, Albert Ramos of Goldman Sachs told the Financial Times, but the market seems to be pricing in a V-shaped recovery that won’t happen. “All sectors are overstretched and need to de-lever.” The International Monetary Fund is pencilling in growth of just 0.5% in 2017.

But that may be a bit pessimistic, according to Capital Economics. Investment has dropped so far amid the political crisis and fall in commodity prices that it can hardly decline any more. That removes a big drag on output. The outlook for exports is brighter now that commodities have recovered. Meanwhile, interest rates have been coming down from a ten-year high since October, as the central bank has brought inflation under control.

Looser monetary policy is generally good news for stocks, and Brazil is no exception. In every past easing cycle there has been an equity rally of at least 20%, according to Luis Oganes of JPMorgan. The prospect of liquidity entering the economy and market is making up for relatively lacklustre GDP growth. Brazil is also one of the few emerging markets that would be shielded from Trump-induced turbulence in the global economy thanks to its large domestic market, says Goldman Sachs.

The government’s gradual progress with structural reforms, notably a public spending cap designed to last 20 years, has also encouraged investors. Brazil remains one of the world’s cheapest stockmarkets, trading on a cyclically adjusted p/e of ten. In short, it does not seem too late to join the party.

loganair
06/2/2017
10:19
President Michel Temer will propose legislation to lift restrictions on foreign ownership of airlines and agricultural land in Brazil as he strives to pull the economy out of a two-year recession, government sources say.

Temer's centre-right government plans to send Congress a bill allowing 100 per cent foreign ownership of airlines, though investors will be obliged to help expand regional flight services, two sources said.

The government will soon propose a bill lifting a ban on foreign investors buying agricultural land in Brazil, on the condition that 10 per cent of any purchase is destined to land reform to benefit landless farmers and peasants, said a presidential aide who was not authorised to speak on the matter.

"The initial idea is to reopen regional routes that were abandoned so that they get regular flights again," a source with knowledge of transport policy said on condition of anonymity.

Foreign companies currently can hold up to a 20 per cent stake in Brazilian airlines. US carrier Delta Air Lines has 9.48 per cent of Gol Linhas Aereas Inteligentes SA , Brazil's largest domestic airline.

Attracting investors to buy into Brazilian airlines might not be easy due to jet fuel taxes and falling domestic traffic due to the recession. Despite huge market shares, Brazilian carriers have struggled to make a profit.

Plans to open up land to foreign purchases again, however, are bound to draw plenty of investors in Brazil's expanding agribusiness industry that is seeking new partners.

Brazil restricted the sale of land to foreign investors in 2010 due to concerns that countries such as China could take control of large segments of arable land in the midst of a super commodity boom.

Companies in Brazil's commodities sector have pushed to review the rules to allow more investment to flow into the country, especially in the pulp, paper and ethanol sectors.

loganair
03/2/2017
10:20
QP - since being listed MIL has been on my watch list. My main worry is many of Myanmar´s challenges and difficulties are similar to those being experienced by Vietnam, mainly corrupution at the highest level.

I remember while I was living in Vietnam the sports minister bet $250,000 on a European Manchester United football match. The minister used the ministries, the governments money as his own money and Man United lost. Never mind, the sports minister was still the sports minister the next day.....never lost his job over the bet.

loganair
03/2/2017
09:34
Thank you, loganair!

I will certainly have a look at MIL. Fascinating.

Best.

QP

quepassa
03/2/2017
09:01
QP - I was reading an article about China, the chap said he is positive long term China. Long term being 10 to 20 years, however his preference for short term, the next two years 2017/18 are Russia and Brazil and his speculative preference is Myanmar which I see to be at least a 10 plus year investing period if one does decide to invest. The only company that I can find listed in the UK investing in Myanmar is Mayanmar Investments (MIL).
loganair
18/1/2017
16:22
Worst is over for Brazil's economy, Finance Minister says:

The worst is over for the Brazilian economy, which is likely to start growing in the first quarter of 2017 after two years of recession, Finance Minister Henrique Meirelles said in an interview with newspaper O Estado de S. Paulo published on Monday. Meirelles also said the central bank's decision to cut interest rates last week was "solid", technically justified and will help the economy grow quickly. "We are seeing a recovery in the first quarter of 2017," Meirelles said.

Brazil's economy probably shrank more than 3 percent for a second straight year in 2016, according to government and market forecasts. With inflation slowing, the central bank cut its benchmark interest rate, the Selic, to 13 percent on Wednesday.

loganair
18/1/2017
15:59
QP - I´ve been reading that from the early 1960´s to 1982 that basically we were in a Bare Market and since then, except for a couple of crashes we´ve been in a Bull Market.

Late last year as a percentage the world debt to world GDP breach the high of 2007/2008 and that maybe one of the big pension companies goes bust will be the catalyst for the next crash.

loganair
12/1/2017
17:22
Brazil's central bank cut interest rates by 75 basis points on Wednesday, surprising markets with a more aggressive rate cut.

In a unanimous vote, the bank's monetary policy committee, known as Copom, decided to lower its benchmark Selic rate to 13.00 percent - its lowest in nearly two years - after two straight cuts of 25 basis points each.

In a strong message to start 2017, the bank said inflation appears to be converging to target and growth remains weaker than expected. The cut was the deepest yet of the current easing cycle, which began in October last year. While inflation has hit its slowest level in over two and a half years, high debt levels and waning confidence among both businesses and consumers still hinder the recovery of an economy mired in deep recession.

The central bank said in a statement accompanying the decision that it had established a "new rhythm of easing" given the anchoring of inflation expectations, widespread disinflation and economic activity that remains short of expectations.

President Michel Temer expressed his "satisfaction" with the bank’s decision, according to the presidential spokesman, Alexandre Parola. The cut "reinforces the president’s conviction that the elements are in place for a recovery of economic growth and the creation of new jobs in the course of this year," he said.

Investors also welcomed the bank’s decision, with the iShares MSCI Brazil Capped ETF rising as much as 2.6 percent after the announcement. Swap rates in contracts maturing in Jan. 2018 fell 37 basis points on Thursday morning as traders began pricing in some three additional Selic cuts of 75 basis points this year.

"The bank indicates it should keep this pace of easing for at least the next two meetings," Andre Perfeito, chief economist at Gradual Cctvm, wrote in a research note. "It is reasonable to imagine that we can have a key rate very close to one digit by the end of this year."

Consumer prices rose 6.29 percent last year, compared with 10.67 percent in 2015, the national statistics institute said in a separate report earlier on Wednesday. The inflation slowdown has been sharper and more widespread than anticipated.

The central bank "made it very clear that it sees a better inflation and exchange rate outlook and worse activity which made them opt for a more aggressive cut," said Luciano Rostagno, chief strategist at Banco Mizuho, in an interview after the decision.

"The bank is setting a new rhythm for rate cuts and it will continue unless some unfavorable factor arises," he said, citing as an example a possible depreciation in the value of the real after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump takes office.

loganair
11/1/2017
18:17
Fully concur.

On the one hand, Western countries need inflation to reduce their enormous debt piles but inflation is also very politically unpopular.

The recent Fed tightening has caused no hiatus and the likely further small incremental increases in rates look priced in.

My perception is that major banks (excluding Greece and Italy) are well capitalised and that the EEC still fudges bank recapitalisations in the Euro-Zone.

My own view of the "elephant in the room" is the potential disintegration of the EEC with France, Greece, Italy, Netherlands following Farage's lead. That would cause a major global shock and this is why Merkel et al are keen perhaps to make an example of the UK in how hard and detrimental it is to quit the EEC.

I rate the falling-apart of the EEC as a 50/50 chance over the next decade. That would cause a bit market rumpus. Otherwise, my personal view is that Trump (the most pro-business President surely ever to be elected) will cause a massive economic boom State-side and rebuild the USA infrastructure which is now very tired and dated and thereby stimulate global growth enormously.

Trumponomics have already started to cause commodity prices to rise and the warmth of relationship with Russia seems to stimulate that economy. OPEC countries will soon start reaping the financial benefits of higher oil and look also to invest.

Personally, I am pretty upbeat since Trump won and at this point in time cannot see any massive bubble on the horizon which may implode.

Who knows?

Seems to me that money is going back into financial assets and markets are generally all rallying.

Great to exchange views with you.

Cheers.

QP

quepassa
11/1/2017
17:57
When it comes to defaulting due to interest rates, Russia´s has always been much higher than in the West and therefore in my opinion I do not even look at that as a possible problem as they are on their way down.

When it comes to interest payments, due to them currently being so low a small rise is a large rise in percentage terms.

The Global Risks Report 2017 says the greatest threats to the global economy are posed by unemployment or underemployment, fiscal crises and asset bubbles in the main economies.

Failure of the major financial institutions, unmanageable inflation, and the shortfall in critical infrastructure are among the most significant concerns, according to the WEF.

loganair
11/1/2017
17:50
I do agree that rising interest rates can hurt but from my personal experience, rising interest rates tend to dampen economic activity, reduce high street sales and turn economies sluggish rather than cause crashes. Unless there is a major default caused by unsustainable interest rates such as Russia at the time of the LTCM blow-up which spooked/disrupted the markets leading to LTCM's failure rather than causing an outright crash.

With interest rates at microscopic levels, those friends must have enormous multiples on their LTV's! But generally mortgage lending since the 07/08 crash has been against tightened lending criteria.

In terms of the high FTSE100 PE ratios, you are right but this is mainly perhaps considered an aberration caused by the recent very weak earnings from certain major commodities companies which comprise a large part of the index. The Industrials are generally in rude health and set to boom on the back of growing exports due to sterling weakness.

Who knows?

As always, fascinating to have an intellectual exchange and I really appreciate your views.


QP

quepassa
11/1/2017
17:32
QP - Crash this time maybe caused by the massive debt many people and governments are in.

Many of my friends who have mortgages can barely afford the interest payments and are terrified about how they will pay when interest rates start to rise.

I´ve been reading that currently the FTSE 100 is trading on a PE of 34.7 which is twice the historic average.

loganair
11/1/2017
15:51
2017 World Bank GDP Forecasts For Select Emerging Markets:

Brazil: 0.5%

Russia: 1.5%

India: 7.6%

China: 6.5%

loganair
09/1/2017
07:57
loganair. re 214.

history shows that markets rise and crash. so at some point a crash will likely come but whether that's in 2, 5, 7 years, who can say?

but recent crashes like the dot.com bubble and the collateralised mortgage madness and subsequent Lehmans collapse were things which clearly precipitated a crash.

what specific drivers/markers do you perceive please at this point in time as leading to your eventual crash scenario?

QP

quepassa
05/1/2017
16:35
Great day for JPB at +4%.

QP

quepassa
21/12/2016
16:06
QP - I ask myself what annunition do the Central Banks have left, interest rates are already very low, we´ve seen QE and bond buying and we are in a low growth environment, governments are up to their eye balls in debt.

When interest rates start to rise, even modestly people hold so much debt how are they going to pay the interest. I remember many years ago when I first took out a mortgage the bank would only lend if I was able to pay 12% interest rate as at the time the mortgage rate was 8.5% and rising very fast. I also hear that some mortgage lenders are again offering 100% mortgages, when I took out my first mortgage the maximum a lender would lend is 75%.

I agree about commodities, however China takes 70% of the Iron Ore mined, I´ve also been reading that in the next few years we´ll reach peak oil demand, especially when more electric cars come on line is why I think the Saudi´s have started to sell Saudi Armaco knowing that we´re near the top of the market and therefore will command the highest price.

I hope you agree at some point in the future there will be a market crash as we can´t be in a Bull market for ever and can easily see a very top of the market to the bottom of 50%.

loganair
21/12/2016
06:22
loganair,

prefer not to answer personal questions please.

but what would precipitate your 50% crash scenario? Western banks are generally well capitalised. are there any extreme financial bubbles which are forming? some markets are high but certainly not stratospheric. many markets are low. commodities are low. we have a pro-business USA government.interest rates are microscopic. growing oil receipts with WTI at $54 will start helping many economies like Russia and Brazil. USA is going to rebuild infra-structure which will stimulate global trade. - And governments just keep on printing more money.

I see no LTCM, mortgage-backed madness, over-leveraged banks, sky-high interest rates, bubble sectors. -The FTSE Index is still roughly the same level as 17 years ago in 2000. - Room to grow perhaps.

So where are those particular warning signs please for any 50% crash?

A geo-political or fat-finger or bot-driven short-term, short-lived flash-crash is one thing.

But what in your opinion please are the current specific warning signals for a longer-term, more pervasive general market crash by 50% which you mention?


ALL IMO. DYOR.
QP

quepassa
20/12/2016
19:44
The people on the sha thread are very bullish though.
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