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[papalpower] 05/8/2008 16:44

All of the tampered photo's are on the "dark side"........one side of the moon is never visible from earth. This is the side which faces away from earth, and if you were to build a space station and launch pad to go into the galaxy, you would place it on the non-earth side of the moon.

Also, if you were alien visitors, you would approach earth behind the cover of the moon, and park there..........perhaps......... ?? ;)

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 16:33

Cool. Will have a read.

Would you not be able to see structures on the moon with a telescope?

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 16:33

S14, something has been discovered, and its been covered up, what it was, and why, remains a mystery.

Check out this link.



Go for the moon tower evidence to start with.

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IMO they found that humans had been there before, had built a space station there and launch pads, before the last time that the human race was nearly wiped out, or something like that..........certainly someone had been there before.

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 16:32

I didn't think they'd actually landed on the moon?

[sea_gull] 05/8/2008 16:25

stu

apparently when they landed on the moon in the sixties they discovered aliens living on the dark side of the moon, its such rubbish you have to roflol

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 16:21

What have they discovered on the moon PP? I saw the Mars stuff, the pyramid looks cool.

[sea_gull] 05/8/2008 16:17

papalpower

there is another planet in our solar system being effected by the gravitational force of our sun, its been known about since the late eighties, but it is not getting closer & it is not a binary star.

i reckon we will have to agree to disagree on this invisible star making a sudden appearance in 2012.

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 16:09

Yes, frightening it can be.

Which is why its best that Joe Public is left totally in the dark, tell them nothing, let them work and know no better.

You really can understand why what has been discovered on the Moon and Mars is kept away from the public in the past, they really would not have been able to handle what it all means.

However, today, I think the world is now agreeable to aliens, life on other planets, the fact that religion was a good mind control and thus power control wheeze but nobody believes it much anymore, and so I would say there should be a "disclosure" of all information.

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 16:08

Not sure if I got this from here or somewhere else, but a damn good watch.

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 16:05

This is where you can get into the "Christ" and "Anti-Christ".

As you should be aware religion is all based on the Sun, for the Sun is the giver of life.

Would it not be possible for its "sister" in a binary star system to be the "anti-christ" or the "destroyer" of the older legends ? Given that the bible is based on the old legends, the reference to the return of the anti-christ is simply a reference to a return of the "destroyer" which might be the suns sister star, a brown dwarf.


Now, if you add on that it appears there was an inter planetary collision in the past (the leftovers of it being the Asteriod belt which only we have, no other system has) - then the realms of reality can be worked into all of this.

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 16:02

All very scary if you dwell on it too long. Certainly makes me wonder why I bother coming to work every day rather than doing stuff I like doing. Problem is if it doesn't all end i'll be in more trouble!!!

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 15:59

S14, I will check it out.

Actually, in the event of a major "problem" on earth or with earth, then yes, those rednecks have in fact got it totally right.

Which is worrying, today we laugh at them, tomorrow (well Xmas 2012) they might be laughing at us............

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 15:57

sea_gull, you missed the point.

Its not a planet. Its potentially the missing "other star" from our system. Its becoming the norm now that all star systems are "binary" as in there are two.

We do not have a 2nd...........or do we ?

This is why its thought that there could be a "brown dwarf" sister star to our sun, that can go around in its own orbit. Brown dwarfs are not visible entities until they are very close, however it is possible to see them with infra red telescopes when they get nearer.

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 15:55

LOL!!

Did you see Burn Up last week. Its probably on iplayer if you didn't. Very good mini-drama about Oil etc. Not taking it quite as far as us, but still depressingly sobering.

I read Matthew Simmons book about Saudi Oil a few years ago, the implications are aweful all round.

Those rednecks in the US living in the woods completely self-sufficient may have it right!

As for the Middle East the whole think is playing out exactly how the neo-cons would want it. We're just pawns for them

[sea_gull] 05/8/2008 15:52

papalpower

its not possible for any planet to orbit in such an extremely irratic pattern as the orbits are created by the pull of the sun so if one planet was going beserk i our solar system then so would the others & of course we now this is not happening on planet earth.

between china, russia & india i dont believe that the US stands a hope in hell

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 15:50

S14, yes, weapons, water and food.

Safety and the ability to survive.........the three things you need. Only when social order is established again (and that make take centuries) would gold become useful again.

Humans cannot live alone, and so a social structure would form, and therefore food would be the most common used "currency" under a barter system.


God, we are cheerful today :)

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 15:48

Sea_Gull, whether or not there is a "brown dwarf" binary star compliment to our star (the sun) is debatable, however the dynamics are possible, given the highly elliptical orbit.

At the ends it would change direction quickly, so the timings are possible.

I am more into Mars presently, and the clear cut evidence of past civilizations there. I wonder just how long they go back ? 150,000 years ? Perhaps Earth will be like Mars soon, all the natural resources used up, and then left for dead while the "human virus" moves on to colonize, and in time, destroy another planet.


Anyway, getting back to 2012, it would make sense for the US to land grab in the middle east ahead of any "major event"........wipe off 90% of the worlds population and then at the other side we start all over again, with empire building, so its wise to station troops everywhere possible ahead of a major event, so you can quickly grab control after a "major event".

This is what worries me over Afghanistan, Iraq and a potential invasion of Iran..........there really is no need to keep troops there now, and if we see them staying on in position into 2009 and 2010 then it will add some weight to the 2012 argument of some "event" of some kind.

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 15:45

A gun is taking it a bit far, but you are probably right. In the event of full social breakdown i'm not sure how much use Gold would really be. I imagine weapons and food would be more valuable both for survival and bartering.

Lets just hope it doesn't go there eh!!

[sea_gull] 05/8/2008 15:35

pp

2012 is impossible - there are definately other planets influenced buy the pull of our sun, but if this nibiru was to return it would have to travel half its orbit in 3 years i.e. thats 3000 years to reach its outer orbit & 3 years to get back.

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 15:25

One thing I do have is a gun, and lots of ammo.

In the event of a major catastrophe (and it could be a virus, something from the heavens etc... whatever) there will be a total collapse of controls and humans will very quickly go back to "basic instinct".

Its vital imv to be prepared, and having easy access to a gun and ammo to protect your family is a key thing.

[stuart14] 05/8/2008 15:19

Really depressing if you think about it too much, the big picture is seriously bleak. I'm a bit of a gold bug, but really, if the Monetary system collapses we'll probably end up back in a Feudal country with people working for local estates. People won't commute or travel far. Only thing is before that happens you'd have to see population decrease by 70 odd % otherwise there would be no way to sustain them. Great!!

[papalpower] 05/8/2008 15:07

S14. I'll book a holiday I think :)

[stuart14] 04/8/2008 17:24

2012, we'll be well past Peak Oil by then, it will probably be on public record, as such Oil will be through the roof, the stock markets of the world will have crashed, gold will be a final store of wealth. Nobody will travel due to the cost, food prices will be sky high, the U.K will probably be rioting, or maybe coming close to some sort of civil war. Could very well be considered the end of an age.

Add to that climate change, rising sea levels and everything else and it could be very very nasty.