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[applepieinthesky] 03/10/2019 18:18

Pilots bidding closes tomorrow so expect the next strike days to be announced shortly after. Fume events happening each and every day can see a big case building for compensation from flight crew cabin crew and passengers alike. Can see this being the next asbestos type senario about to happen.

[97peter] 03/10/2019 18:09

I see the share price dropping to 440p on Monday after bad passenger and bookings figures for September. Then school holidays marked for next strikes, which will see this share price hit 430 mark and a buy for all??
Monty the pilots should and will be given a 13.5% pay rise, costing IAG peanuts, trust and some loyalty from all staff and get on with improving its service and PR, which is on the floor with passengers, from strikes, failed IT, and poor customer service/call centre staff. Come on IAG and Cruz take note!!

[waldron] 03/10/2019 17:27

Brent Crude Oil NYMEX 57.14 -0.95%
Gasoline NYMEX 1.55 +0.16%
Natural Gas NYMEX 2.45 -0.04%
(WTI) 52.03 USD -0.76%


FTSE 100
7,077.64 -0.63%
Dow Jones
26,037.58 -0.16%
CAC 40
5,438.77 +0.30%
SBF 120
4,290.33 +0.25%
Euro STOXX 50
3,419.44 -0.06%
DAX
11,925.25 -2.76%
Ftse Mib
21,326.86 +0.13%


Eni
13.408 -1.09%



Total
44.91 -1.20%


Engie
14.545 -0.38%

Orange
14.02 -0.04%

IAG
Price (GBX) 452.80 -2.39% (Down -11.10)



Bp
484.9 -1.44%

Vodafone
155.24 -0.31%

Royal Dutch Shell A
2,286.5 -0.80%


Royal Dutch Shell B
2,284 -0.70%

ANOTHER GREY DAY FOR ONE AND ALL

IAG STILL SEEMS TO HAVE STRONG share price SUPPORT OF 450P BY ANALYSTS

NOT SO STRONG BY CHARTISTS AT 441.60P

STILL HOLDING UP WELL

ME THINKS A GOOD BUYING OPPORTUNITY IN COMING DAYS

CHEERS

[toon1966] 03/10/2019 16:51

Absolutely pathetic argument about foodbanks. TC former employees not being paid for work they did has nothing to do with BA pilots and their right to strike (remember it's legal).

[montyhedge] 03/10/2019 16:35

How can pilots go on strike when their Thomas Cook colleagues are going to the food bank and getting loans out. The press will slaughter BA pilots has pure greed.
No chance of a strike.

[montyhedge] 03/10/2019 16:28

Looks oversold now boys, I'm filling my boots.

[hamhamham1] 03/10/2019 15:14

US ISM all misses on extimates, see markets drop since 3pm!

[misca2] 03/10/2019 13:32

Stock futures fall, pointing to a third day of losses as traders fear economy is slowing
Published 6 hours agoUpdated 26 min ago
Fred Imbert
@foimbert
Elliot Smith
@ElliotSmithCNBC





US futures point to rebound on Wall Street after sharp sell-off

U.S. stock index futures pointed on Thursday to a lower open as investors fretted over the state of the U.S. economy ahead of the release of key data later in the day.

Dow Jones Industrial Average indicated a loss of 71 points at the open. S&P 500 and Nasdaq 100 futures also pointed to declines at the start of Thursday’s session.

The Institute for Supply Management is scheduled to release its nonmanufacturing index reading for September at 10 a.m. Earlier in the week, ISM posted its weakest reading on the manufacturing sector in more than 10 years, sparking fears of an economic recession.

[toon1966] 03/10/2019 11:41

IF the FTSE stays in 'the red' today that will be four down days on the trot...

[hamhamham1] 03/10/2019 11:25

Current drop is the whole sector, see all other airlines share prices.

[applepieinthesky] 03/10/2019 11:16

Looks like half term walkout word on the block back down to 420's

[toon1966] 03/10/2019 10:29

Wor Monty's very quite today, must be suffering from a severe bout of 'algorithm-itis'...

[hamhamham1] 03/10/2019 09:15

I would hold if I own these but not necessarily buy at this price. Yes they were nearly 700p a year ago, but they were also only 140p 7 years ago. So where the price will go, I don't know, but I DO think better entry points maybe in the future. Time will tell, and it could shoot up to 700p in a year, who knows?
I did an edit from don't to DO in above, appols

[demo trader] 03/10/2019 08:12

G.M.

Bought IAG, 457.8p, not a long term trade

[m1k3y1] 02/10/2019 17:58

take_that......I have knowledge of the configurations I am talking about.
These are not two pilot operations, where there is no requirement for separate pilot rest areas.
In those situations, pilots take ' controlled rest ' on the flight deck.

Pilots and crew are not allowed to occupy rest areas during take of and landing, so they would be in jump seats on the flight deck. Or more normally, pilots will try and occupy a first class seat, if available.
They take no part in the actual take off's and landings, other than being an observer.

Again, I have no knowledge of other airlines procedures.

Regarding the realities of crews being ' rested ' before flights........at the end of the day, they are professional people with very responsible jobs. There will always be those who prefer not to adhere to the rest requirements , or find it difficult to sleep. In any event, the decision to fly, if over tired should not be encouraged and I am aware of pilots who have refused to operate due to lack of sleep.

[take_that] 02/10/2019 17:26

M1 I have to disagree with you about the fact that all BA 777s have the typical rest areas that some other airlines have in the hold areas or ceilings. I'm not sure if you have connections with BA, work for BA or ties with the industry but still have my old childhood flying logbooks and as a bit of a spotter, I still fill them in today. So I can give you some aircraft registrations that I know did not have rest areas, having spoken to the operating cabin crew or pilots personally.Maybe if there is ideally a BA 777 pilot on here or someone else in the know they can confirm this once and for all.Yes, I agree that in an ideal world the pilots and crew should be fit and rested but I understand that the aviation rules changed recently and now crew can be on standby for something like 10+ hours before a long haul duty. I'm sure an airline wouldn't be able to crew it's aircraft if every pilot honestly said whether they'd honestly and genuinely got some sleep immediately preceding a long haul flight. Airlines would have to recruit non parent crews and sack any who should think of starting a family ; )It's a bit like driving a car on a long journey, you may feel rested at the start but 5 hours in how do you feel now? This is really the point I was making regarding their sleep on board. I'd rather they be rested and alert when the chips are down, rather than feeling the affects of sleep deprivation.Also that cruise pilot you mention, do you suggest that they are still in the rest facilities for take off and landing? If not, I would say that they are a team member and are a valuable resource in assisting the others.

[m1k3y1] 02/10/2019 17:08

take_that....
" Also they’d have had to drive to work, they probably would have had to eat at home, together with a shower etc. Finally, there’s no guarantee that they actually got any sleep before hand. I’m sure that there could well be occasions where the pilots could have been awake for 24+ hours...far from ideal. "

Any time prior to reporting to work is not counted as work.
In addition, all crew, including cabin crew are required to ensure they are fit and rested when reporting for work.

If Pilots do not meet this requirement, they should not be flying.
This includes the scenario you suggest.

On the long haul 777 with BA...pilots do have a separate bunk / rest area, away from passengers and crew with screens for watching movies.
It is very quiet and has it's own toilet.
BA do not provide the same, separated toilet facilities for cabin crew.
I can't speak for other airlines.

[take_that] 02/10/2019 16:55

M1Actually, I think you'd be surprised. I've flown on many of BAs 777. Quite a few don't have any bunks, then there are some that are located next to the business galley and are accessed by an aisle that is meant to be protected from customers but actually only has a curtain to stop them using the toilet located next to where they are sleeping. There are I agree some other locations that are more convivial but again unless they can stop turbulence and the ambient noise, I'd take my bed at home any day.I used 18hrs as the pilot would presumably spend a couple of hours at work before they get into the sky. Also they'd have had to drive to work, they probably would have had to eat at home, together with a shower etc. Finally, there's no guarantee that they actually got any sleep before hand. I'm sure that there could well be occasions where the pilots could have been awake for 24+ hours...far from ideal.I also recall hearing that some of the newer aircraft were doing away with rest facilities. I'm not sure whether this was pilots or cabin crew or both.

[take_that] 02/10/2019 16:45

Monty you are still missing the point. Ryanair can do what they like to the contracted pilots whether they are in a Union or not, as they have extremely limited rights and protections. The Union can not do much about it if it's legal. Also Ryanair doesn't have that many pilots in BALPA and nothing close to BAs numbers.

[m1k3y1] 02/10/2019 16:30

take_that.........your example of 18hrs and no sleep in reality is incorrect.
On very long flights, there are 'cruise pilots' and there are also separate , very comfortable sleeping areas for pilots, where you cannot hear the clinking and clanking from Galleys.

cruise pilots , simply monitor the flight during the 'cruise' or mid flight while the other pilots sleep. Generally for a good 6 hours or more, on flights of the length you suggest.
This prevents pilots being awake for 18hrs prior to the thunderstorms and monsoons you suggest.

If pilots are in First on flights of this length it is because they are not taking advantage of the very comfortable sleeping areas provided.

In addition, these sleeping areas also have film screens, which you might find odd, considering the pilots are meant to be resting, or sleeping not watching movies.

I agree with you about short haul pilots though. They work harder but most pilots begin their careers this way , to maximise their take off and landing experience.

[montyhedge] 02/10/2019 16:25

NY Boy
Shield about the only share up. I fear a Black Monday is coming for stocks.

[take_that] 02/10/2019 16:18

@M1"The 900 flying hours limit is a CAA / EU / EASA limit which applies to all pilots and cabin crew.Whether any airline works their employees up to the maximum limit, is of course up to them."Yes and No. Yes BA could work their pilots less but I have friends and friends of friends who work for BA and the 900 hrs is seen as a target, which from time-to-time the pilots, especially junior guys get to, having to be grounded until they gain room from the limit.In VS the Company can not roster them more than the artificial 740-750 limit with the pilots permission and in for this the individual earns overtime.So Yes and No.Regarding your suggestion that long haul pilots spend the time asleep, I can tell you that I would not like to be awake throughout the night and then be expected to be at the top of my game after being awake 18hrs to do battle with thunderstorms, snowstorms, monsoons etc. I've also sat in 1st and business and felt for the pilot across the way trying to get some rest while the passengers are shouting across the cabin or the dining service is occurring around them with cutlery clinking or plates being dropped. I find it difficult to sleep in executive suites with ear plugs and eyeshades when a maid is hoovering the room next door, so personally I would not want the pilots of the plane that I'm sat on to be exhausted and hanging because their time that they are meant to be sleeping but can't, is not considered their flying time.Each to their own there but I do agree that short haul bods get hammered. I rarely see my BA short haul friend as he is always at work. That being a combination of the inefficiency's of working out of LHR and the way their roster patterns are generated. Often I hear him saying how he should have gone to Easyjet where their patterns offer more time at home and also he would have got his captaincy far sooner and therefore been financially better off.

[ny boy] 02/10/2019 16:17

Stock markets heading for a severe correction Monty, at least STX will be a Harbour, a safe haven, up amongst a sea of red, go (STX)!

[fjgooner] 02/10/2019 16:15

I see its gone short again?

montyhedge
2 Oct '19 - 15:58 - 7677 of 7677
Keep Calm, sell everything, buy it back cheaper is my motto, lol.