Hochschild Mining Share Discussion Threads

[richkid71] 30/11/2017 12:03

Seems like this was only ever a nightmare rather than a dream.

[ifthecapfits] 30/11/2017 10:33

Short the $ go long Gold - if you are brave.....



Here’s the bottom line:
If PCE is hot (1.6% or higher), the tax bill passes, and the government does not shut down, then Yellen has cleared all three hurdles, and she’s on her way to a rate hike finish line.

If she stumbles on any one of these hurdles, let alone all three, then a rate hike is off the table. If the odds of failure are each hurdle are 33% (about right in my view), then the odds of failure on one out of three are 99%.

No one in the market is thinking about the odds that way, but a statistician will tell you that’s the right way to analyze it.

Since markets are 100% priced for a rate hike, nothing much happens if the FOMC actually hikes rates. But if the rate hike does not happen, markets need to reprice for the new reality. That means gold, euros, yen, and Treasury bonds will soar, and the dollar, bond yields, and stocks could crumble.

These are asymmetric “heads you win, tails you don’t lose” trades. You could have big gains if the Fed pauses, but won’t lose much if they don’t.

These hurdles are coming up in days, so the time to enter these trades is now. The easiest way is to buy gold or gold mining stocks.

Then sit back and enjoy the show.

[shakeypremis] 30/11/2017 08:46

Perhaps 222p-ish either today or tomorrow and perhaps that will be the floor (I hope).

[shakeypremis] 30/11/2017 08:32

The dream is over, at least for another few months it would seem.

To be honest HOC doesn't move in a traditional linear fashion, not since August last year anyway. The sawtooth pattern is still in play (owing I would expect to the constant violent fluctuations in the prices of gold and silver). It's a very frustrating pattern to say the least.

[lauders] 30/11/2017 00:52

Still think 2018 will be a good year for HOC too but it sure is frustrating being a share holder at the moment when practically everything else is going the opposite way to us. One day it will hopefully be different but I also hope that the cause will not be war which is looking more and more to be the outcome as each day passes.

[d3009] 29/11/2017 22:46

Juju - if that was your sell @ 16:35 today, 547844 shares at just over 238p then I'm sure you can sit back and watch the rest of us squirm as this share drops back a little more tomorrow.

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 19:36

Not posting on here anymore. Because it's a waste of life and time.
I will remain 'invested' FWIW but until we see at least 330p I am done.

That could take a year it could take a few months. Either way I am making so much money out of Bitcoin and Ether now that I am quite frankly not bothered how long it takes.

Good luck all and think long term (1 year+). I still maintain 2018 will be a stellar year for HOC.

Adios amigos.

[richkid71] 29/11/2017 19:33

oh grow up DT. You’re behaving like a sulky little girl. Why bother posting if you intend to stop posting. You’ve complained about my moaning and your are doing just that. Attention seeking. Don’t think anyone is interested you are making money from the cryptos. No ones impressed and couldn’t care less.

You will be back once things pick up. I can guarantee it.

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 19:18

Not posting on here anymore. Because it's a waste of life and time.
I will remain 'invested' FWIW but until we see at least 330p I am done.

That could take a year it could take a few months. Either way I am making so much money out of Bitcoin and Ether now that I am quite frankly not bothered how long it takes.

Good luck all and think long term (1 year+). I still maintain 2018 will be a stellar year for HOC.

Adios amigos.

[onedayrodders] 29/11/2017 18:22

No fight in silver at all... took a smack today and just run away

[juju44] 29/11/2017 18:02

Set a sell at 238 so you never know

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 17:28

Yeah, bye bye Juju.

[charles clore] 29/11/2017 17:00

Juju, well I guess its farewell then...

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 16:35

Ha so when this does bounce, on strong PM performance, and goes back to 300p+, which it will, will you stay quiet? Or will you moan it's not at 400p?

Agreed though, an awful session but an amazing one for Bitcoin and Ether!

[shakeypremis] 29/11/2017 16:32

Another terrible day for metals and HOC.

[richkid71] 29/11/2017 16:32

Looks like it has blown up!
Send missiles all you like
Tweet whatever you like
Lie whenever you like
Don’t make no difference in the end
Kerrrrrr boom.

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 15:40

Will all blow up one day

[onedayrodders] 29/11/2017 15:09

Looks like it's all about the DOW again and unfounded tax cuts paid for by increasing debts and money printing.

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 14:05

Dude don't take it personally. I just find you constantly negative that's all. It's easy to forget about the company's operations and high quality of management ... And become fixated on the paper market manipulation....but HOC is going places, you know it, we all know it.

[richkid71] 29/11/2017 14:01

thanks for your deep analytical response to my negative behaviour. Like most posters on here, their views are short term based and at the moment there isn't much to be positive about. I get the long term value - I really do get it - believe me. You don't need to be so attacking or shooting people down all the time just because people don't share your views.

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 13:44

Once again folks we could have traded it...

Who dumped a load of paper I wonder?

The money favours the shorts in NY today!

But this volatility in gold could and I reckon will be a precursor to a post FOMC rally. As does this bloke:



BREAKING: The Fed is thinking about starting it's own Digital Currency:

[shakeypremis] 29/11/2017 13:38

Well, that's torn it. Back to playing the waiting game again.

[onedayrodders] 29/11/2017 13:30

Don't tell me .. Nymex ?

[rhuvaal2] 29/11/2017 10:32

In my book DT stands for Delirium Tremens = losing one's mind with trembling hands, sorry if that is considered O/T or offensive.

[dt1010] 29/11/2017 10:02

RK. Metals are out of favour. Everything else isn't. It's a typical time of year between Dec- late Feb for a PM rally. I don't see a huge one. I mean gold to $1350 maybe. $18.50 silver?

I strongly believe 18 will be kind to shareholders in HOC though for all the operational reasons you know. The PE will drop to 12 against FRES current 17.5. I am obviously gutted to be 10s of thousands down here. And yes it galls me. But I was £90k down on TW. And came out in substantial profit. I will do the same here. The management, resources, performance and growth here will deliver shareholder returns. I/we just have to be patient.

You are always negative. Look at the bright side. Read the results. 2018 is going to be a good solid year but I take nothing for granted in mining. It's out of our control. This isn't Dominos Pizza. It's complicated stuff.