Hochschild Mining Share Discussion Threads

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 14:25

I admit I was greedy. And I was stupid. I staked too much on one share, one company.
I once worked for a high net worth individual. his accountant told me he could see £300m off shore. in his name. That individual once told me when I tipped a share to him" why would I want to invest in someone elses company when I can invest in my own?" wise words. he also told me to stick to what I know. He said he would. Both are property, in different guises. Have made all my money in that I have to say. not in stocks. We have no influence over events in these companies. A lot of it is believing the story. At £3.37p I believed it and I got it wrong the moment they reported an earnings miss. But I too do think they will get back up there, and beyond.
And its funny you say when it does my thinking may well change, to "this is it" this is £5 on the way per share. Well, that is in deed the kernal of human nature just there. And it will be interesting to see what I decide. I have a feeling I already know.

This is a coiled spring right now. Very range bound. Look at the long term chart. Such compression does not last long.

On short tracker it is Marshall Wace LLP who are short HOC to the tune of 1.1% of the free float.

Are Marshall Wace controlling this for the time being having increased their short position from 1.01% to 1.1% on 24th October 2017?

Who are they? - the only company with a short interest in HOC.



"We specialise in global long/short equity".

Under "Our values"

"Complete integrity, and transparency, are integral to everything we do

We are committed to contributing to society"

Well they're screwing with our lives that's for sure.

[juju44] 15/11/2017 14:20

So are todays numbers not out yet ? Thought it was 1.30 gmt

[onedayrodders] 15/11/2017 14:18

USD CPI m/m Actual 0.1 Forecast 0.1% previous 0.5%
USD Core CPI m/m Actual 0.2 Forecast 0.2% previous 0.1%

[juju44] 15/11/2017 14:14

What was expected CPI number?

[topicel] 15/11/2017 14:07

DT, it also is human nature to be greedy and, as it has turned out, that was the first and biggest mistake here when we thought 340p plus wasn't a ceiling just ten short weeks ago.

Now, 30% and more poorer, we find 240p annoying and blame impatience!

If we go back to 340p - and I think we will - then most probably even you will have changed your tune as greed takes over again from impatience and you'll hang in there thinking 'this is it', the fiver a share GS promises is coming this time!

And around we go. Cyclical I think they call it.

I always did better when not greedy...and if you've got the funds you say you have sloshing around you shouldn't have been greedy either...

CPI data hit the dollar, and that is good. NK having another test tantrum would be better. Watching Italian shares dive day by day is also comforting.

The wider issues are very relevant.

Topicel

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 13:46

It will. It's only human nature to be impatient. But it doesn't speed things up.
HOC is not large. It is a mid cap.
FRES mcap is £9.72 billion
HOC's is £1.17 billion
A baby in comparison.
The funds gravitate to bigger caps.
The mid cap producers follow.
Then the small caps producers.
Then the micro cap explorers.
You lot surely know this stuff.

[lauders] 15/11/2017 13:42

Our time will come! At least I �(@&* hope so! Keep the faith or a rabbit's foot or something ;-)

[shakeypremis] 15/11/2017 13:36

Most other large PM producers on the up today. HOC always lagging.

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 13:00

Yes it will

[juju44] 15/11/2017 12:58

Will silver save the day

[onedayrodders] 15/11/2017 12:42

Could be a pivotal moment later in the US one way or another for PM's if Inflation misses on the downside.
Will be a catalyst for $ movement.

[onedayrodders] 15/11/2017 12:22

Perhaps Charles .. for me I think there is one more retest required in Gold between $1200-$1240 mark. But I'm guessing of course. The chart video POSTED 26OCT17 below are convincing.

Gold Retest
Posted on October 26, 2017

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 12:12

Rubbish. You both micro analyse the share price

Volume is very low if anything was 'known' it would be a lot higher.

Come on guys. You know sentiment isnt with the sector, let's not get paranoid.

This is being traded off that 240p resistance. That's all.

It remains in the channel and will break out of it when it's ready.

[stevea171] 15/11/2017 12:11

DT. The discussion is very relevant to the whole board. You especially.

If you're bored filter us both.

[charles clore] 15/11/2017 12:05

Can't help thinking the market knows something we don't. Something stinks.

[richkid71] 15/11/2017 12:01

What a shambles. This can't even go up when metals are up. Probably get knocked down even further once NYMEX get to work.

[shakeypremis] 15/11/2017 11:59

I am not not saying anything further on the matter.

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 11:56

Tell you what is boring. You two carrying on this off topic discussion.

[shakeypremis] 15/11/2017 11:50

This is not going anywhere. I have never said I know what is going to happen. I simply said there's not a single shred of evidence in that article. I am not going to clog up this bulletin board further. And you did jump to conclusions when you learned of my age;

"How we view such people is down to judgement which is a factor of wisdom and experience. Youth is quick to spout opinions but sadly falls into the trap of thinking they have all the answers and know it all."

Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you are wiser or more experienced. I am not saying you aren't either. I don't know you. I never gave an opinion of what I see for the future, I just said the article - admittedly in a not so eloquent way - was not grounded in evidence or anything we can corroborate.

[stevea171] 15/11/2017 11:16

Shakeypremis. Just as I thought.

>>>>"haven't even considered he might be an idiot, have ulterior motives, just be plain wrong"

>>>>"How do you know Rickards isn't lying about his meeting with the CIA director? How do you know he's correctly analysed what he was told? How do you know the CIA director isn't lying to him (wouldn't be beyond the bounds of possibilities now would it)? So many unknowns. Most of all, his track record of getting things right is pretty terrible."

His views chime exactly with mine. People on BB's including here are wrong 90% of the time. So why do they bother to make easy predictions all the time when their track records are so lousy?

How many times have we seen the trite comments posted here:

This is going to break 240. No reasoning given.
Gold is going to 1300, 1350 etc. No when or why but is worth saying.
This is going back to 330 and then I'm out.

And yet people love it.

Jim Rickards like many others are experts at what they do. Some want to make a name for themselves but most who make a living outside the MSM presenting often radical views are interested in truth in a sea of lies and want to see truth and justice prevail.

How we view such people is down to judgement which is a factor of wisdom and experience. Youth is quick to spout opinions but sadly falls into the trap of thinking they have all the answers and know it all.

My geopolitical views are formed from having had a long life, doing many things, having many experiences and living and working on both sides of the world. My reading is very wide encompassing many so called conspiracy theories (a phrase coined by the CIA originally to put down whistle blowers who were pointing out inconvenient truths) that are in many cases proved to be fact. Our history is nothing like what we are led to believe. Same with the 'now'.

So as a starter, before you come out with your next inexpert put down opinions suggest you have the humility to qualify by 'imo'.

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 10:27

Fres normally moves first as its a large cap, don't sweat it

[charles clore] 15/11/2017 10:19

shakey - I try to keep to the big picture because it is always much simpler to understand. The reason it gets messy on the micro level is that individual governments usually try to justify what they are doing but have to carefully hide the truth, so it's hard for people like us to see the wood from the trees. I'm 66 and you are probably going to jump to conclusions.

[richkid71] 15/11/2017 10:16

Nothing much HOC related in these posts today.
Regardless of who is right or wrong about the world, HOC is falling whilst metals are going up. Go figure. FRES is up 2.5%.

[dt1010] 15/11/2017 10:14

HOC will go blue later today....just watch

Hey I just bought more for our baby daughter. She'll be two in January.