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Hargreaves Services Plc LSE:HSP London Ordinary Share GB00B0MTC970 ORD 10P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  20.00 4.76% 440.00 440.00 453.00 455.00 424.00 424.00 84,635 16:35:20
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Support Services 204.8 14.4 50.8 8.7 142

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03/12/2020
20:41
ok ...it was loss making..£1 cost ...well the mngrs must have had a plan for turning it around...& they have repeatedly written 'expect a divi from it in 2021 & afterwards' (12.5p), be interesting to see if their turn around plan has worked
smithie6
03/12/2020
20:02
Well it was bought for €1 T/o was 130 m but loss making Plenty of information about the company. I would post but time stressed at the moment. Tiger
castleford tiger
03/12/2020
14:38
moving away from the land sector does anyone know much about the HSP investment in 'carbon crushing' in Germany ? such as - what is it about ? - where is the machine/facility ? - how far is it from the site of the end user/customer ? - how far does the material travel to get to the HSP machine/facility ? - how much as been invested ? - over how many years ? - HSP has owned or operated such equipment before ? - are there competing facilities ?
smithie6
02/12/2020
19:53
Well, I just had a look at the website Smithie6, and must admit I don't like it either.
muckshifter
02/12/2020
14:22
hmmmm I think my criticism is about spot on. If you seek out & talk to the press to promote the launch of updated/new plans for a "newtown" & a public consultation process for those updated plans & give a specific date for the launch of a web site specific for those new plans & the consultation then imo you score 0/10 or -10/10 if - you dont present/provide the updated plans on the date that you yourself promised only days before - your feedback/opinion form on that "consultation website" is not yet there & working. ========= part of the overall process of applying for planning permission & later on for someone to sell homes is trust & confidence & being serious/trustworthy/responsable otherwise you will not get planning permission !! so, not presenting the plans to the public & all interested parties (including Bellway & other possible land buyers) on the promised date that you yourself promised just 1 week before !!, fails those things. ====== although arguably missing the stated public issuing date of the new plans is not a critical item in itself.....it is a bad representation of the project & the company imo & presentation & image & trust is important for such a big project; a town with schooling, shop(s) etc, ; its not just 5 houses....a council wouldn't entrust it to 'Joe the builder' from around the corner. ---- if that same newspaper issues a short article mentioning that the consultation schedule has started but that the updated plans remain unpublished/secret, & the feedback form doesnt work.... it won't do the project any good, imo :-(
smithie6
02/12/2020
13:37
Perhaps you're over reacting a little there Smithie6. It's disappointing but may have an innocent explanation - hopefully. My buy, a few weeks ago, was based on the almost "certainty" in my mind that the completion of the first two plots at Blindwells would happen by Christmas, and if it didn't I'd be very sceptical about Blindwells. The original expectation (or at least the one which was current before Covid) was for completion before the end of HSP year in May 20. It was then delayed for three months by a covid stoppage, so my reckoning is that HSP have had an extra 7 months to deal with any other aspects of finalising the deal while the work on site was both stopped and then restarted and completed - that is the reason I'm reasonably confident, despite not having a very high opinion of HSP management.
muckshifter
02/12/2020
11:54
Hmmh doesn’t sound very good. Thanks for sharing though. This site must have the best informed and sharing investors on advfn. If some of you have some spare time , maybe you could give the folk at HSP a hand!!
robsy2
02/12/2020
09:44
HSP website says "Our bespoke consultation site provides the very latest information on our proposals and will be accessible from the 2nd December 2020, here: www.blindwellsconsultation.co.uk " well, today is the 2nd of December but no information at all !! is presented even though the website has gone live
smithie6
02/12/2020
09:29
HSP also promoted today as the launch date for the website & revealing the updated Blindswell plans in the press hxxps://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/18899806.latest-plans-town-centre-blindwells-unveiled-next-week/ "Information will go live at hargreaves land.com/project/blindwells on Wednesday, with a live public webinar held via Zoom 6-7pm on December 9" but today is that Wednesday & the information is NOT there as promised/advertised !! ------ also, with the public webinar on 9th December there is no time for delays in presenting the updated plans otherwise the date of the public webinar might have to be moved back, to comply with the law. :-(
smithie6
02/12/2020
09:02
Blindwells website has gone live today. To present the more detailed & updated plans for the Blindwells project. www.blindwellsconsultation.co.uk Which HSP Land have publicised in advance via Twitter & the local press & on the HSP website &..... Probably also publicised by their marketing agency (is it Blaze or is that for the Hatfield project?) My opinion ? 0/10. Personally, if I was the land develop. director of HSP I would sack or remove the manager responsable. And if I was the MD of HSP I might have a quiet word with the land develop. director to get his division in order. ==== 1) the awaited updated plans are NOT presented !! so, all visitors to the reveal of this new website today ....will be dissapointed. Why dissapoint your potential customers, council contacts, council approval staff for the project plans ??!! incompetence. 2) opinion form "Our online feedback form will be added in the coming days, ...." ie. the opinion/feedback form is not there ! How can a public consultation process based on using the internet with no physical public meeting ('cause of Covid19) , take place if there is no opinion/feedback form ?! incompetence Why make a new website go live when the important parts of it are NOT there & you have to tell the site visitor that they are not there. If the website is not ready (its not, there is NO information presented, none ! not even the old plans !) then keep it off-line until it is ready & the front page can say "coming on ______" but on that date it really should be provided, & mostly finished. If you want to appear as organised, skilled, experienced & professional then one needs to act like that. Or if you want to appear disorganised & not fulfulling your promises then act like that. :-( 3) the address to where to send a letter with your opinions is an address in a Belfast, which is not even in Scotland !. That is disrespectful imo for perhaps the biggest housing project in Scotland, which I assume needs to avoid upsetting the Scottish Parliament only 12 miles away. & ~50% of the Scots adults voted for independence. It also gives a bad image about the consultation process being a local process which is interested in the views of local people. (pre-Covid the public consultation would have included a public meeting close to the site & with no mention of a distant address such as Belfast). An address in Belfast looks a bit like slopy shoulders imo. (& HSP has an office address in Edinburgh it could have used, I think it has moved its office from Glasgow to Edinburgh to be closer to the Blindwells site; why is that address not used ? Or if an independant 3rd party must be use then surely a Scottish one could have been used or the local council address.
smithie6
01/12/2020
18:07
well, we both knew it was a 50:50 JV :-) ----- only by looking & reading does one find out stuff .....& personally I know a lot more now about Hargreaves (& especially its 2 biggest land develop. projects) than I did 2 weeks ago. Big by bit. (still have to try to find out what the German carbon crusher investment is about (& how much has been invested) & try to guestimate if it will make notable profits wrt the size of HSP, the bod expect it to) & happy to be holding. risk/reward looks good to me :-)
smithie6
01/12/2020
17:03
No surprises there for me then Smithie6, looks like your evaluation efforts need a revamp!
muckshifter
01/12/2020
15:29
Hatfield-Unitygate project btw I was wrong in thinking that Hargreaves 100% owned all the land, oops ! they don't. & both Hargreaves & Weystone apparently contributed material assets to the 50:50 JV. Any other details are commercial & not public.
smithie6
01/12/2020
08:27
interesting (Scilly isles) must be lovely there for much of the year, especially in the summer
smithie6
01/12/2020
08:10
Smithie6: Nothings colder than the water around the Scilly Isles: Https://www.islesofscilly-travel.co.uk/2020/09/cold-water-therapy/
netcurtains
30/11/2020
17:48
there is a small lake in the Blindswell plan (& on the area map on Google) & option to have one at the Hatfield site I don't know if a wakeboard pull wire loop would be viable or wanted ?!! (colder water in Scotland...drysuits ?)
smithie6
30/11/2020
17:36
(I'll be interested to see if any flats are added to the Blindswell plan (eg. 3 levels, 4-6 flats per floor) ...to provide starter homes for people under 30 or on lower wages. (with a higher price per m2 for the (HSP) land used)
smithie6
30/11/2020
17:15
Benbain I tried to find some info & find this (btw its owned by Scottish Forestry I think, not HSP) "The wind farm’s construction “would overlap with works the council had intended to fund”, McDowell said. As such, restoration efforts would be “scaled down to areas not impacted by the wind farm proposal”, with hopes of commencing in 2020." ----- Ayrshire looks like NPL own some industrial sites with possibilities for regeneration, & the county council seems interested/co-operative (as I assume any council would be) but yes, as you say, a site's value depends a lot on the location of the site, & costs to prepare it for commercial/business/housing use. Of the HSP sites the Blindswell one looks the most valueable per hectare (9 million paid for 11 acres; ) being just 12 miles from the ctr of Edinburgh & next to the A1 & 1.1 miles from a train station. While the site near Hatfield touches a motorway junction, & has a train station at one edge of the site/land. (25 million being paid for 32 hectares for a warehouse;
smithie6
30/11/2020
17:15
Benbain I tried to find some info & find this (btw its owned by Scottish Forestry I think, not HSP) "The wind farm’s construction “would overlap with works the council had intended to fund”, McDowell said. As such, restoration efforts would be “scaled down to areas not impacted by the wind farm proposal”, with hopes of commencing in 2020." ----- Ayrshire looks like NPL own some industrial sites with possibilities for regeneration, & the county council seems interested/co-operative (as I assume any council would be) but yes, as you say, a site's value depends a lot on the location of the site, & costs to prepare it for commercial/business/housing use. A) Of the HSP sites the Blindswell one looks the most valueable per hectare (9 million paid for 11 acres; £2.0 million per hectare, subject to ?......) being just 12 miles from the ctr of Edinburgh & next to the A1 & 1.1 miles from a train station. There is I think a 15 acre plot for sale. new website with new/updated info goes live on 2nd Dec. only a few days to go some changes or updates to previous plans are expected.....since the notice basically says so !, since a lot of things have changed since the last plan of 5 years ago. B) While the site near Hatfield touches a motorway junction, & has a train station at one edge of the site/land. (25 million being paid for 32 hectares for a warehouse (!!!!); £0.78 million/hectare; subject a road existing to the plot. ---- yes, for residential/logistics warehouse use these 2 sites look to have a lot more pluses than some other ex-mining sites.....& the sale prices for some of the land shows that (one thing I like about these 2 projects is the size of the projects, when you can house so many people (Blindwells 6500 people ?, if the 2 phases are built) over a large site then there is a demand from these people for buying milk, food, hot food, a pub(s), & HSP could get a higher price per m2 for selling those m2, or charge a rent rather than sell the freehold.
smithie6
30/11/2020
15:57
Post 98 That's Lignite, iirc,not proper coal. Post 99. No I don't know much about the German operation, they seem very confident, but then again they seemed very confident about Belgium (iirc) years ago and that didn't work out too well in the end. I just hope this venture is profitable in the short term. Post 100. That was exactly my point. Many of these old OCC sites are in the wilds, often only half reinstated, and their value as potential wind farms, or for leisure pursuits, or farm land, will never be much. Chalmerstone was another that I vaguely remember where I think HSP partially took over a derelict site. I think an extension to the adjacent Benbain site was the incentive, but the bulk of the area was left derelict and effectively unusable, I believe.
muckshifter
30/11/2020
14:52
Muckshifter you know what the carbon crusher venture is in Germany & what the odds are for it being profitable for HSP ? In the accounts & RNSs it is imo mentioned only at a top level, assuming that everyone already knows what it is all about.
smithie6
30/11/2020
14:48
I'm not knowledgeable about the coal sector or its history but you wrote "Dalquandy was the biggest OCCS in Europe" ...I thought the biggest was a big site in Germany, which is still operating I understand....close to a power station & using conveyer belts to move the coal
smithie6
30/11/2020
11:29
Muchshifter wow, you've known the co. for a long time ----- ...the bod I dont know their performance very well, but the chairman & the land devel. directors (joined in last 24 months) look experienced & have good track records 3. "reinstatement" ?? of what ? 6. 'good dividends in 2021' ...yep, fingers crossed the repeated statement of this by the bod will turn into hard cash in our bank accounts !
smithie6
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