Genel Energy Share Discussion Threads

[kris akabusi] 13/3/2018 07:27

It's ok peeps I found a valve on eBay, slight water damage but cosmetic only, it'll be fine

[pogue] 13/3/2018 07:07

That is the price I am afraid I used it as an example of how pricing cannot be guaranteed for a new sour gas plant. I have been designing plant, mainly greenfield, for nearly 30 years so have a little experience in this field. I reitereate what I said before the price of the equipment used varies from client to client due to the variation in thier specs and standards. BP for example have upped their standards to crazy levels since Mondanco and anything they buy is very bespoke, this is not a BP project I am on just incase you are wondering.

[losses] 12/3/2018 21:26

I'm only interested in this saga as I have vested interest in genel so it's good to know this kind of info... £500k for a valve alone sounds out of this world for man not in the oil industry.

[pogue] 12/3/2018 20:39

Oh and D!nga dont go speccing no Chinese material valves nobody with a brain uses them on sour service unless you don’t care about the operators lives.

[pogue] 12/3/2018 20:28

Losses
just about, there a few bits and pieces to put on the valve that I did not list, positioner etc.if I get a chance I will list the finer pionts of the valve spec, but they will not add £100ks. As I said above and before the price I was shocked by it is at least 1''0' extra from what I would expect hence my raising the point months ago about the price of sour service valves.
D!nga however is convinced I am lying for some reason only known to him. D1nga you are not using the same client specs and may not even get a quote to the latest NACE, I have a quote the other day where the vendor could only supply to 1987 version! In the end I am right live with it try to have a discussion instead of trying to prove wrong something you physically cannot as I am dammed if I am posting pricing documents from my project online . I have no reason to lie about the price of valves have I? You are not the first engineer I have talked to that thought the prices were eyewatering hence the point of my original post.

[losses] 12/3/2018 18:38

Let's not jump the gun dinga get your quote and post it to close the matter.I'm a bit concerned with the price variation though £500k on one hand and £30k on the other... both you guys talking about the same thing?

[d1nga] 12/3/2018 18:09

pogue

I have requested a quote for a valve from your spec , I reckon about 35-40000 $

we will see what they come back with and put this to bed

but be warned readers he's lying scum and got caught out and kept digging a hole

[pogue] 12/3/2018 17:55

Hawkey
It indicates the duty, size, materials of construction and process data this information is the basics of the valve design. He will know what it is it.
D1nga was trying to tell everyone that the valves on sour duty were made of St St which is a lot cheaper than Inconel and that Inconel is not needed well I am showing a valve that is on sour duty and the process it is operating in that isn’t St St and the price is ludicrously more expensive from anything I have seen before for a similar duty and you need a lot of valves to build a plant. Not all will be this expensive off course but all of the ones I am seeing on this design have at least a ‘0’ added to the end of the price I would expect to see and this is not the first design of a sour gas facility I have worked on.
Genel’s cost to build a gas plant with sour service may not be as cheap as he is suggesting as design standards maybe somewhat different to what he thinks. These are numbers from a current project. Of course there is a cost factor depending on what standards you want to use but that will depend on their partner in this as they will no doubt want to use their standards.

[d1nga] 12/3/2018 17:45

I repeat you sent nothing to me

that valve spec will run to about £30000 absolute max

you got caught lying and the hole is getting deeper , show me a valve that costs 500k and I'll be happy

its simple a valve that costs 500k doesn't exist

plain and simple lying scum

[hawkey2] 12/3/2018 17:25

Hi Pogue,

Its help a Numpty day. What does your post actually mean and is pertaining to.

Many Thanks

Hawkey

[pogue] 12/3/2018 16:48

I will post the basics as I sent to him I dont see how my credibiltiy is in doubt when he cannot use an inbox
Dry sour gas duty
inlet pressure 70 barg pressure drop norm max 0.5 bar, max shut of 93 bar
temperature 270C
900# 12" body and 10" trim all inconel 625
Dual acting spring return piston actuator

[losses] 12/3/2018 14:11

Poque Post the spec of the valve here and let's close this matter... otherwise your credibility is on the line.

[panagos] 12/3/2018 12:11

pogue is the boss of the con artist group (carla1, stan smith, etc.)

They have an agenda.

[pogue] 12/3/2018 10:51

I sent the details on 5th Jan at 16.11 and I think you know nothing about the costings for sour service valves that I am buying on this project so I know I am right. I have resent you message as I am not discussing my current project online that was why I deleted my original post on the subject.
Nice of you to take the filter of I prefered it when it was on as I cant be bothered with people who cannot admit they are wrong arguing with them is a waste of my time.

[pogue] 12/3/2018 09:52

I sent the spec to you in Jan as I promised D1nga still waiting for your reply. You said you put me on filter anyway so how you seeing my posts?.
Regards the backpayment it was stated in a news article recently, I have no time to find it again, KRG are trying to foist it on Baghdad who are having none of I am sure it will be in the negotiations going forward again. As for arbitration rulings I would not hold my breath. Once all the income from the O&G is gone from KRG their incentives to be nice to O&G industry diminishes.

[d1nga] 12/3/2018 08:52

Its the oil business though not some underhand shady drug deal :-)
Don't take any account of what pogue states , we're still waiting for the spec of the h2s service valves that cost 500k according to him lol

[losses] 12/3/2018 08:43

We are talking about the lawless Middle East lol!