Futura Medical Share Discussion Threads

[petroc] 26/2/2023 18:23

You're a fine one to talk about multi-IDs, LBO, LiamBooth, Citygirl, Leveraged, etc.

[lbo] 26/2/2023 18:18

Yet still no response in any minutes from either of the multi-IDs on where the proof is the alcohol, water, glycol and carbomer in Eroxon causes a different evaporative cooling then the alcohol, water, glycol and carbomer in arousal gels!? Its a swindle by Petroc and his multi-IDs who post under many names all within minutes! ROFLMAO

Even Trinity Research who are paid by Futura has contradicted the rampers and had to openly admit the hypothesised effects ‘believes’ to be happening by Futura are ‘disputed’



˜There is no evidence for the evaporative mode of action from the clinical trials. To show that the evaporation is what makes MED3000 work, you'd need to compare it to a non-evaporative gel’




Proof is what separates an effect new to science from a swindle . . . . If a condition responds to treatment, then selling a placebo as if it had therapeutic effect directly injures the consumer. FTC v. QT, Inc.


Trinity also admitted no mechanism of action has to be even shown to just get a low class medical device registered.

But it does need to be shown and proven to substantiate its marketing claims of having any effect beyond a placebo or even arousal gel with the same alcohol, water, glycol and carbomer ingredients or fall foul of the FTC, ASA and the Courts.


Trinity research:

Presumably the effect is comparable to the cold-induced vasodilation (CIVD) that occurs with extremities such as toes and fingers. Despite being a well-known effect, the mechanisms of CIVD are still disputed, but the pathways involved could well be similar. Interestingly, the precise mechanism of action does not need to be elucidated for the regulators to be comfortable for a product to be approved as a medical device

[petroc] 26/2/2023 17:25

But Joe, you're missing gems like these:

'Like you silly comment implying beer can be sold to children if the packaging just lists the same shared ingredients of bread and doesn’t mention separately the ingredients were fermented and the beer end product product being sold now contains alcohol! ROFLMAO'

'Where is your proof the rampers magic effect new ro science!?'

LiarBO has definitely lost it! Those two nuggets were from his last two posts.

[joestalin] 26/2/2023 17:22

Response in 3 minutes. LOL!

[lbo] 26/2/2023 17:10

Where is your proof the rampers magic effect new ro science!?



A product that contemporary technology does not understand must establish that this magic, actually works. Proof is what separates an effect new to science from a swindle . . . . If a condition responds to treatment, then selling a placebo as if it had therapeutic effect directly injures the consumer

The only claims by Futura on its website and its patent application is evaporative cooling from the listed ingredients of alcohol and glycol.Ingredients already used by other cooling arousal gels already on the market and also well described by Glaxo and
Novartis previously. The same Glaxo that dumped MED as they knew all along it was just a placebo.



No Goopy ED Gel in GSKs Futura



The Company has conducted initial literature and in vitro based research that has shown the cooling from the evaporation of these specific combinations of solvents



The cooling effect of a topically applied product can be evaluated using a validated handheld thermal imaging system. When the gel matrix is destroyed after application to the skin, the bound water and alcohol evaporates and a measurable cooling-effect results.



Kama Sutra Intensify Plus Female Arousal Gel Cooling 15 ml Ingredients: Water, Propylene Glycol, Denatured Alcohol



Carbopol Ultrez Polymer Carbopol ultrez is responsible for the consistency and texture of the gel. It is a water-soluble polymer that brings all the other ingredients together aesthetically. Thus, it contributes to the flow properties of this formulation, making it less sticky and easier to handle.

[joestalin] 26/2/2023 17:07

Not me - He has been filtered for many years now.

[petroc] 26/2/2023 16:27

I'll just leave you to continue your silly comments, LiarBO. I'm sure everyone reading them is having a good laugh at your expense!

[lbo] 26/2/2023 14:55

Just like all the Petroc misleading claims given with no disclaimers https://drbillsukala.com/what-does-clinically-proven-mean-in-advertising/Clinically proven? Says who?When they say 'clinically proven' your first question should be, oh yeah, says who?It is possible the company selling the supplement, infomercial ab gadget, or balance device did a poorly controlled study where they had people try the product and then tell the company about their results.While this seems logical enough, it does not constitute legitimate research.

[lbo] 26/2/2023 14:49

Just like you posting deceptive claims about a medical device placebo gel and making deceptive comparisons to just regular oral placebos in normal ED studies. When its also been shown FM57 was designed ti study another med2005 product so was an abnormal way to make post findings about the placebo med3000. Especially when you also take account of the abnormal inclusion criteria.petroc - 23 Feb 2023 - 21:53:12 - 16545 of 16578Why are there no placebo controlled studies? Eroxon, was the placebo used in FM57 and gave surprising results having efficacy approximately double that normally achieved in ED studies with regular placebos. Moreover, when assessed against internationally accepted criteria for clinical effectiveness (Rosen and Araujo) the efficacy of Eroxon exceeded the minimal clinically important differences.hxxps://hcp.eroxon.co.uk/https://www.nice.org.uk/advice/mib80One specialist commentator felt that the clinical effectiveness has not been demonstrated. The absence of an adequate placebo (an inactive topical gel) for highlighted as a limitation by 3 commentators. One commentator said that without it, the clinical effectiveness could be attributed to the placebo effect of rubbing a gel

[petroc] 26/2/2023 14:04

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a lie. LiarBO, it's still a lie.

[petroc] 26/2/2023 14:03

Hahahaha! Are you ok, LiarBO? I'm beginning to think that there's something seriously wrong with you.

'On all the products the ramper misleadingly lists. Under the law the end product must also be listed on the packaging.'

Not only is that semi-literate with you adding an incorrect full stop in the middle, it's also yet another one of your lies. None of the beers I've got in the house mention alcohol in the ingredient list. The alcoholic ones mention alcohol separately, but not as an ingredient. For example - Moretti. Ingredients: water, malted barley, maize, hops, hop extract FULL STOP.

You just can't handle the fact that I've proved you wrong time and time again when you claim that lubricant gels must work as well as Eroxon in treating ED because they share similar ingredients. That's just a lie.

[lbo] 26/2/2023 13:31

See how the ramper proves himself wrong yet again! He cant help proving himself to be a fool! LOL

‘The alcoholic ones mention alcohol’

And we already know from more qualified sources then just rampers. That lower class medical device gels like Med3000 fall into a regulatory grey zone and don’t need to prove their efficacy or safety in the same way pharmaceuticals do. ‘which could be a concern for vulnerable patients’

So Petroc has now also said on the record on ADVFN that some new chemical is being formed and not mentioned anywhere or even separately on the Eroxon packaging. So according to Petroc it’s actually not just alcohol, glycol, water and carbomer being massaged in Eroxon. But according to Petroc something akin to hyrdrogen peroxide is being formed by the Med3000 ingredients! That would be a serious concern for anyone who uses Med3000! Or maybe Petroc is dyslexic and cant read or find all the ingredients when they are mentioned separately but thinks everyone else is semi illiterate! ROFLMAO



findings suggest that products introduced earlier in their development cycle are also more likely to increase the risk of harms



Researchers call for stricter rules on drug-like medical devices

More oversight is needed over products in the grey area between medical device and medication

Powders, tablets and gels used like medications but registered as medical devices the same category plasters and pacemakers fall into need tighter controls, a team of clinical researchers has concluded after studying several such materials. Products that fall into this regulatory grey zone dont need to prove their efficacy or safety in the same way pharmaceuticals do, which could be a concern for vulnerable patients

According to European regulations, medical devices are used for diagnosis, prevention or treatment of disease, but unlike drugs their primary mode of action isnt biological. The definition includes everything from medical software to wound dressings and surgical instruments

Manufacturers need to demonstrate medical devices safety and performance. An organisation called a notified body then assesses the products conformity and grants it a CE mark. But Van Winckel and her colleagues found only poor clinical evidence for the three devices they investigated. Studies were small or of low quality, often missing placebo controls. In some cases, there was no data at all, for example to show the effect

The researchers also highlighted the lack of safety information in the devices instruction leaflets. There was no or little mention of interactions with other compounds, maximum safe dose or adverse effects



Oral powders or gels, sold as medical devices in the European Union (EU), arent regulated to the same safety standards as those applied to medicines

As a result, these products, which look like medicines, can be marketed with very limited clinical data and accompanied by poor quality product information.

require only certification with a CE (quality) kitemark before the product can be marketed.

This process doesnt require evidence of efficacy or safety from high quality clinical trials, as is the case for medicines.

It also means that these products can automatically be sold without a prescription across the EU, and actively marketed to patients and clinicians.

[petroc] 26/2/2023 13:27

Hahahaha! Are you ok, LiarBO? I'm beginning to think that there's something seriously wrong with you.

'On all the products the ramper misleadingly lists. Under the law the end product must also be listed on the packaging.'

Not only is that semi-literate with you adding an incorrect full stop in the middle, it's also yet another one of your lies. None of the beers I've got in the house mention alcohol in the ingredient list. The alcoholic ones mention alcohol separately, but not as an ingredient. For example - Moretti. Ingredients: water, malted barley, maize, hops, hop extract FULL STOP.

You just can't handle the fact that I've proved you wrong time and time again when you claim that lubricant gels must work as well as Eroxon in treating ED because they share similar ingredients. That's just a lie.

So just stop lying, LiarBO.

[petroc] 26/2/2023 12:42

Joe, he has a notification set up when a message is posted. It probably plays the theme from Batman or something! The only times he doesn't respond are bank holidays when mummy drags him off to Marks and Spencer to buy him new underpants, because she refuses to wash the disgusting ones he piles up in the corner of his bedroom, smeared with KY jelly, Stallion etc ('for research purposes, mummy!')

[lbo] 26/2/2023 12:40

ROFLMAO

And Joe its taken you years and many Futura product failures with actual pharmaceutical ingredients to become so desperate to try to resort to ramping the last Futura product which failed at Phase 3 and is now just a placebo medical device! But maybe you are just desperate to try just afford a TV set from your Futura shares!

JoeStalin - 30 Sep 2019 - 10:07:37 - 5937 of 10774
FUTURA a winner for 2015 - says it all!


JoeStalin - 18 Jul 2018 - 09:00:46 - 4354 of 10775
'jam tomorrow' is a very easy promise to make.


JoeStalin - 22 Jun 2018 - 14:12:24 - 4288 of 10775
What's another year after all?
At FUM, time is measured in decades.


JoeStalin - 25 Apr 2018 - 16:07:34 - 4147 of 10775
There seems to be an unlimited number of ways of saying "Jam tomorrow".


JoeStalin - 21 Mar 2018 - 13:50:44 - 3985 of 10775
A lifestyle company, but not for the shareholders.

[petroc] 26/2/2023 12:36

Hahahaha! Are you ok, LiarBO? I'm beginning to think that there's something seriously wrong with you.

'On all the products the ramper misleadingly lists. Under the law the end product must also be listed on the packaging.'

Not only is that semi-literate with you adding an incorrect full stop in the middle, it's also yet another one of your lies. None of the beers I've got in the house mention alcohol in the ingredient list. The alcoholic ones mention alcohol separately, but not as an ingredient. For example - Moretti. Ingredients: water, malted barley, maize, hops, hop extract FULL STOP.

You just can't handle the fact that I've proved you wrong time and time again when you claim that lubricant gels must work as well as Eroxon in treating ED because they share similar ingredients. That's just a lie.

So just stop lying, LiarBO.

[joestalin] 26/2/2023 12:36

It takes him a matter of minutes to post a negative response. I am guessing that he lives on his own and has no television set.