Futura Medical Share Discussion Threads

[petroc] 26/2/2023 10:15

Hahahaha! LiarBO really is a buffoon! He posts stuff like this as though it were true, and he clearly thinks everyone is stupid enough to believe it! He doesn't seem to realise how stupid it makes him look!

'Contrary to yet more false claims by Petroc. Futura have never made any claims about any magic new chemical being formed from the Alcohol, water, glycol and carbomer ingredients. Futura never even mentioned the outrageous Petroc claims about some new chemical bond or new chemicals being formed from the ingredients in their patent application! He is now implying Futura are selling something akin to beer or even worse something corrosive like hydrogen peroxide from its listed ingredients. And Futura is not listing that new chemicals are being formed from the ingredients they list on the packaging. These are shocking revelations from the ramper! Next he will be claiming he can sell beer to children packaged as bread if he only just lists cereal, water and yeast as the ingredients and never mentione that alcohol is being formed. Or that he can legally poison people with hydrogen peroxide as he only just gave them the listed ingredients of water, hydrogen and oxygen!'

LiarBO really excelled himself with that nonsense!

What I actually wrote to prove that LiarBO is clearly wrong when he claims that everything made from the same ingredients is inevitably the same:

LiarBO states that Eroxon is the same as other gels on the market, because they share the same ingredients.

Therefore he claims that hydrogen peroxide and water are the same, because they are both made from oxygen and hydrogen.

Therefore he claims that bread and beer are the same, and cause the same reaction in the consumer, because they are both made from cereal, water and yeast.

'LiarBO is clearly wrong on every level, and constantly proving to everyone that he will say anything, however ridiculous, to bash this stock.'

[lbo] 25/2/2023 17:17

Just like Petroc can’t substantiate his other false claim about about some magic new chemical being formed from the Alcohol, water, glycol and carbomer ingredients in Med3000/Eroxon. Futura never even mentioned the outrageous Petroc claims about some new chemical bond or new chemicals being formed from the ingredients in their patent application! Petroc has been implying Futura are selling something akin to beer or even worse something corrosive like hydrogen peroxide from its listed ingredients. And Futura is not listing that some new magic end chemical/s are being formed from the ingredients they just list on the packaging. These are shocking revelations or lies from the ramper against Futura. Next he will be claiming companies can sell beer to children packaged as bread. If they only just list cereal, water and yeast as the ingredients and never mention that alcohol is being formed. Or that they can legally poison people with hydrogen peroxide if they only just gave them the listed ingredients of water, hydrogen and oxygen!



‘A product that contemporary technology does not understand must establish that this magic, actually works. Proof is what separates an effect new to science from a swindle . . . . If a condition responds to treatment, then selling a placebo as if it had therapeutic effect directly injures the consumer’

The only claims by Futura on its website and its patent application is evaporative cooling from the listed volatile solvent ingredients of alcohol and glycol. Volatile solvent Ingredients already used by other cooling arousal gels already on the market and well described by Glaxo previously



The Company has conducted initial literature and in vitro based research that has shown the cooling from the evaporation of these specific combinations of solvents



The cooling effect of a topically applied product can be evaluated using a validated handheld thermal imaging system. When the gel matrix is destroyed after application to the skin, the bound water and alcohol evaporates and a measurable cooling-effect results.



Kama Sutra Intensify Plus Female Arousal Gel Cooling 15 ml Ingredients: Water, Propylene Glycol, Denatured Alcohol



Carbopol Ultrez Polymer Carbopol ultrez is responsible for the consistency and texture of the gel. It is a water-soluble polymer that brings all the other ingredients together aesthetically. Thus, it contributes to the flow properties of this formulation, making it less sticky and easier to handle.

[petroc] 25/2/2023 15:52

“Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.”

Wow, does Criss Jami actually know you, LiarBO?

[petroc] 25/2/2023 14:13

“Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.”

Wow, does Criss Jami actually know you, LiarBO?

[lbo] 25/2/2023 13:57

Yes thanks for highlighting you are again posting deceptive claims about a medical device placebo gel and making deceptive comparisons to just regular oral placebos in normal ED studies. When its also been shown FM57 was designed ti study another med2005 product so was an abnormal way to make post findings about the placebo med3000. Especially when you also take account of the abnormal inclusion criteria.

petroc - 23 Feb 2023 - 21:53:12 - 16545 of 16578

Why are there no placebo controlled studies? Eroxon, was the placebo used in FM57 and gave surprising results having efficacy approximately double that normally achieved in ED studies with regular placebos. Moreover, when assessed against internationally accepted criteria for clinical effectiveness (Rosen and Araujo) the efficacy of Eroxon exceeded the minimal clinically important differences.

hxxps://hcp.eroxon.co.uk/



One specialist commentator felt that the clinical effectiveness has not been demonstrated. The absence of an adequate placebo (an inactive topical gel) for highlighted as a limitation by 3 commentators. One commentator said that without it, the clinical effectiveness could be attributed to the placebo effect of rubbing a gel

[petroc] 25/2/2023 12:47

“Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.”

Wow, does Criss Jami actually know you, LiarBO?

[petroc] 25/2/2023 12:46

“The more you defend a lie, the angrier you become.”

[petroc] 25/2/2023 10:20

“Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.”

Wow, does Criss Jami actually know you, LiarBO?

[petroc] 25/2/2023 10:14

There are lies, damned lies, and LiarBO's comments!

[lbo] 25/2/2023 07:32

petroc - 23 Feb 2023 - 21:53:12 - 16545 of 16578
Why are there no placebo controlled studies?

Eroxon, was the placebo’ᦙ3; used in FM57 and gave surprising results having efficacy approximately double that normally achieved in ED studies with regular placebos. Moreover, when assessed against internationally accepted criteria for clinical effectiveness (Rosen and Araujo) the efficacy of Eroxon exceeded the minimal clinically important differences.

hxxps://hcp.eroxon.co.uk/



Med3000 is not a ‘regular’ oral placebo. Its a medical device gel placebo which is massaged in and medical device placebos like gels are known to have higher placebo effects. So the comparison to only a ‘regular’ oral placebo is inadequate and not an equivalent like for like and fair comparison. The information given by the ramper was not ‘enough accurate information’ and involved the ‘omission’ of important information. Other important information has also also been omitted like the fact the fact that FM57 was designed to study to Med2005 not the placebo Med3000. So the results for Med3000 are a post hoc finding. It has also been omitted about the non standard inclusion criteria in FM57 which were not the same criteria used in the the ‘ED studies with regular placebos’. So it exceeded the accepted minimum criteria for clinical effectiveness in studies for regular oral placebos. It has never been directly compared to an appropriate placebo gel and showed any clinical difference to any placebo gel


‘When promoting, selling or supplying products, companies must give you enough accurate information to enable you to make an informed buying decision’

Misleading practices
You are protected against 2 main categories of unfair commercial practices: misleading practices, either through action (giving false information) or omission (leaving out important information)



‘the MDD did not harmonise EU law relating the advertising of medical devices, which was subject to Directive 2005/29/EC on unfair business to consumer commercial practices (including advertising) generally (Unfair commercial practices directive - UCPD). That meant that advertisers must still meet the requirements of the CAP Code, which reflected the provisions of UCPD. Under the CAP and BCAP Codes, medical claims could be made for CE-marked medical devices provided they complied with other requirements of the Codes, including those relating to substantiation

‘When promoting, selling or supplying products, companies must give you enough accurate information to enable you to make an informed buying decision. Find out more about contract information. If they fail to provide this information, their actions may be considered unfair. You have the right to seek redress if you are treated unfairly’



Unfair commercial practices

When you buy goods and services anywhere in the EU from a website, a local shop or a seller outside your home countrys EU law protects you against unfair commercial practices. When promoting, selling or supplying products, companies must give you enough accurate information to enable you to make an informed buying decision. Find out more about contract information. If they fail to provide this information, their actions may be considered unfair. You have the right to seek redress if you are treated unfairly.

Misleading and aggressive practices

You are protected against 2 main categories of unfair commercial practices: misleading practices, either through action (giving false information) or omission (leaving out important information) aggressive practices that aim to bully you into buying Certain commercial practices are prohibited in all circumstances. Some of the most common are listed below:

Whenever a product is advertised as therapeutic, curing allergies, reversing hair loss, helping you lose weight, etc. you have the right to know if such claims have been scientifically confirmed. In many cases, claims like these are not medically backed up and are simply too good to be true

[lbo] 24/2/2023 20:10

Petroc has even highlighed that not all the relevant information is being published on a UK website and only biased information is being disclosed on the website as its known that Med3000 is not a ‘regular’ oral placebo! It is a medical device placebo gel that is being massaged in! Which are known to have higher placebo effects. Yet this is not being adequately disclosed by the rampers

‘some forms of bias, such as publication bias, should be considered as fraud’


petroc - 23 Feb 2023 - 21:53:12 - 16545 of 16566






Bias and Fraud

There are numerous biases in medical research that render evidence from such research systematically misleading. Some of these biases are exacerbated by conflicts of interest, including fantastic financial incentives. The most important biases in medical research include confirmation bias, design bias, analysis bias, and publication bias. Arguably, some forms of bias, such as publication bias, should be considered as fraud. The pervasiveness of bias in medical research justifies one of the premises of the master argument for medical nihilism. Medical research is malleable due to the many biases, and such malleability allows for the production of evidence that suggests medical interventions are effective, whether or not they are in fact effective.