Futura Medical Share Discussion Threads

[lbo] 23/1/2023 16:53

So where is any adequately controlled and blinded study to substantiate that one alcohol, water, glycol, carbomer gel called Med3000 is having ‘far more than placebo effect’ then any other similar alcohol, water, glycol, carbomer gel called arousal gels would under the same test conditions?

Oh dear! It doesn’t exist!!!!



Ingredients

Water, ethanol (35%), propylene glycol, glycerin, carbomer, potassium hydroxide.





water-based warming gel Ingredients

Stimulant Gel Aqua, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Alcohol Denat, Carbomer

[petroc] 23/1/2023 15:49

Over 60% of men with ED confirmed that MED3000 works in a series of trials - more than twice as many as had no benefit. That's far more than placebo effect, whatever the stock basher LiarBO says.

[lbo] 23/1/2023 13:53

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/placebo-effect-problem-scammersTHE PLACEBO PROBLEM: HOW SCAMMERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTThe placebo effect is real. But so are the hucksters shilling it in bad faith.https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2008/01/080103qtrayseventhcircuitappealruling.pdfSelling brass as gold harms consumers independent of any effect on pain. Since the placebo effect can be obtained from sugar pills, charging $200 for a device that is repre- sented as a miracle cure but works no better than a dummy pill is a form of fraud. Thats not all. A placebo is necessary when scientists are searching for the marginal effect of a new drug or device, but once the study is over a reputable professional will recommend whatever works best. Medicine aims to do better than the placebo effect, which any medieval physician could achieve by draining off a little of the patients blood. If no one knows how to cure or ameliorate a given condition, then a placebo is the best thing going. Far better a placebo that causes no harm (the Q-Ray Ionized Bracelet is inert) than the sort of nostrums peddled from the back of a wagon 100 years ago and based on alcohol, opium, and wormwood. But if a condition responds to treatment, then selling a placebo as if it had therapeutic effect directly injures the con- sumer. See Kraft, Inc. v. FTC, 970 F.2d 311, 314 (7th Cir. 1992) (a statement violates the FTC Act ‘if it is likely to mislead consumers, acting reasonably under the circumstances, in a material respect

[lbo] 23/1/2023 13:49

Yes any placebo water, alcohol, glycol and Carbomer gel will provide the same placebo effects and placebo results if the person just believes ‘it works’ ! LOL



Ingredients

Water, ethanol (35%), propylene glycol, glycerin, carbomer, potassium hydroxide.







water-based warming gel
Ingredients

Stimulant Gel Aqua, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Alcohol Denat, Carbomer

[petroc] 23/1/2023 09:31

The silence on the evidence from the stock basher that MED3000 doesn't work is deafening!! LOL

On the other hand, evidence from men suffering from ED who have actually trialled MED3000 is all over the internet! Over 60% of them confirmed that it works! That's more than twice as many who received no benefit! LOL!

[lbo] 22/1/2023 15:02

The silence on the patent from the ramper is deafening!!! LOL

And arousal gels all over the internet already with the same ingredients as Med3000/Eroxon!!



Ingredients

Water, ethanol (35%), propylene glycol, glycerin, carbomer







water-based warming gel Ingredients

Stimulant Gel Aqua, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Alcohol Denat, Carbomer



Carbopol Ultrez Polymer Carbopol ultrez is responsible for the consistency and texture of the gel. It is a water-soluble polymer that brings all the other ingredients together aesthetically. Thus, it contributes to the flow properties of this formulation, making it less sticky and easier to handle.

[petroc] 22/1/2023 10:49

Seems a case can now also be made that the stock bashers posts on bulletin boards were 'deceptively formatted lies and manipulations' trying to cause consumers to accord more credence to inefficacy claims than they would if they were aware that the poster was a proven stock basher, who only posts constant negative posts because he lost a lot of money through naive investment.

[petroc] 21/1/2023 19:52

Seems a case can now also be made that the stock bashers posts on bulletin boards were 'deceptively formatted lies and manipulations' trying to cause consumers to accord more credence to inefficacy claims than they would if they were aware that the poster was a proven stock basher, who only posts constant negative posts because he lost a lot of money through naive investment.

[lbo] 21/1/2023 14:59

Millions and millions of men have used Viagra safely over many many years. So thats billions of doses taken yet its only linked to a few deaths. More men die from deaths associated with medical devices per year. And even placebo gels like MED3000 claiming to be a treatment for ED with no appropriate assessment will be associated with deaths and thousands of reports of side effects if it ever manages to be used by enough men over time.

The objective data over many years of use. After appropriate assessment and correct use has proven Viagra to be effective and safe. Viagra has a well-established efficacy and tolerability profile. From its introduction in 1998 to 2016, over 64m men worldwide were treated with sildenafil citrate. 'The safety profile of sildenafil citrate is based on over 9,570 patients in 74 double blind placebo-controlled clinical studies as well as postmarketing surveillance that has been gathered over 10 years.' And correlation is not causation. Meanwhile there is no medium and long term safety data on Med3000 use in the real world.



In the past 10 years, medical device quality issues have caused 83,000 patient deaths 409.5 million medical device units were recalled in 2016-2017, averaging 58.19 million units per quarter.



So medical device gels like Med3000 ‘fall into this regulatory grey zone don’t need to prove their efficacy or safety in the same way pharmaceuticals do, which could be a concern for vulnerable patients’



findings suggest that products introduced earlier in their development cycle are also more likely to increase the risk of harms



Researchers call for stricter rules on drug-like medical devices

More oversight is needed over products in the grey area between medical device and medication

Powders, tablets and gels used like medications but registered as medical devices the same category plasters and pacemakers fall into need tighter controls, a team of clinical researchers has concluded after studying several such materials. Products that fall into this regulatory grey zone dont need to prove their efficacy or safety in the same way pharmaceuticals do, which could be a concern for vulnerable patients

According to European regulations, medical devices are used for diagnosis, prevention or treatment of disease, but unlike drugs their primary mode of action isnt biological. The definition includes everything from medical software to wound dressings and surgical instruments

Manufacturers need to demonstrate medical devices safety and performance. An organisation called a notified body then assesses the products conformity and grants it a CE mark. But Van Winckel and her colleagues found only poor clinical evidence for the three devices they investigated. Studies were small or of low quality, often missing placebo controls. In some cases, there was no data at all, for example to show the effect

The researchers also highlighted the lack of safety information in the devices instruction leaflets. There was no or little mention of interactions with other compounds, maximum safe dose or adverse effects



Oral powders or gels, sold as medical devices in the European Union (EU), arent regulated to the same safety standards as those applied to medicines

As a result, these products, which look like medicines, can be marketed with very limited clinical data and accompanied by poor quality product information.

require only certification with a CE (quality) kitemark before the product can be marketed.

This process doesnt require evidence of efficacy or safety from high quality clinical trials, as is the case for medicines.

It also means that these products can automatically be sold without a prescription across the EU, and actively marketed to patients and clinicians.