Futura Medical Share Discussion Threads

[petroc] 04/11/2022 18:15

* perhaps I should have said infantilist!

[petroc] 04/11/2022 18:14

Hahaha! There goes LiarBO again, speaking for the ASA, the FTC and the courts! He's just a fantasist!

[lbo] 04/11/2022 17:53

Mike is just desperately trying to get the naive to buy in so he can try reduce his losses at their expense. He has even in the past accused the company CEO of basically telling lies! And now he is claiming the FTC, the ASA and the court rulings are all telling lies!.

Walt Disney’ ‘fantasy’; indeed! ROFLMAO

mikethebike4 - 11 Apr 2018 - 14:35:10 - 4072 of 11141

Having had similar waffling, 'smoke-screen' answers from Mr Barder over the years which have turned out to end in exactly nothing I am loathe to give any credence to virtually everything he says

mikethebike4 - 11 Apr 2018 - 15:58:28 - 4091 of 11141

Company is massively over valued if you go by 'concrete' results !

mikethebike4 - 11 Apr 2018 - 15:14:56 - 4082 of 11141

I only try and bring some sort of balance into the equation to help the gullible not get carried away with fanciful future projections.
I would like nothing better than to be proved wrong about Mr Barder (our CEO since 2001) and to sale away into the sunset grasping 5 times as many £s in my fist as I paid for the shares
Unfortunately for people like J7J, Mr Barder has been through this advisors process before - with CSD500 - and look where we've got in 17 years - sales of the product did not even equal the money we paid him to be our CEO for 2017 !

mikethebike4 - 06 Dec 2017 - 10:32:27 - 3468 of 10591

"A couple of decent deals and will be back off to the races."
Do you have any idea of how long shareholders have been using these words

mikethebike4 - 23 Mar 2017 - 09:52:33 - 2560 of 10591

As someone who has been invested for many years and who attended an AGM years ago and complained to Barder about the very slow progress, I am very frustrated.
All the time the Board are drawing good salaries off the backs of shareholders money they have very little incentive to get off their backsides and get 'selling' - thats what running a company is all about at the end of the day!

mikethebike4 - 24 Feb 2020 - 09:11:58 - 7290 of 9713

why should it be any different this time when you've still got the same useless lot running the show

mikethebike4 - 07 Jan 2019 - 11:22:52 - 4692 of 9641

I repeat I very much hope you are right - no one would be happier than me if you are - however I stupidly (in hindsight) bought in when everything looked really rosy - we were told there were loads of 'distributors' all 'champing at the bit to get selling a wonderful industry disruptive product (which it still is incidentally) once the 2 year shelf-life problem was fixed. This was despite the fact that the Holland/Belgium distributor was quite happy and successful selling them with the original 18 months shelf-life
And where are we now years later - one tiny distributor from which Futura receives a total sales income only just about covering Mr Barders employment remuneration
I just hope this MED/TPR situation is not just a repeat of CSD. As to why I don't just sell up, well my shareholding is worth such a tiny proportion of what I paid for it I might just as well hang on in the hope that new shareholders getting in now are luckier than I was and I can get some of my money back - I think what we need is Mr Barders retirement - that should give the share price a kick

[petroc] 04/11/2022 13:18

Sorry Mike, that's my fault. I just say jump, and LiarBO says how high? and frantically starts copy/pasting! I just can't help winding him up as he's so predictable. Still calling others semi-literate too, even though he's incapable of forming a proper sentence without multiple full stops in the wrong places!

[mikethebike4] 04/11/2022 12:15

COME ON LBO - surely you can repeat yourself more times than this in a day !!!

- get back to your keyboard you lazy man

[lbo] 04/11/2022 10:56

Proof is what separates an effect new to science from a swindle . . . . If a condition responds to treatment, then selling a placebo as if it had therapeutic effect directly injures the consumer. FTC v. QT, Inc., 512 F.3d 858, 862-63 (7th Cir.

Trinity Research even openly admitted the hypothesised effects ‘˜believed’ to be happening by Futura are ‘disputed’. Trinity admitted no mechanism of action has to be even shown to get a medical device approved. But it does need to be proven to substantiate its marketing claims or fall foul of the FTC, ASA and the Courts.

Trinity research:

Presumably the effect is comparable to the cold-induced vasodilation (CIVD) that occurs with extremities such as toes and fingers. Despite being a well-known effect, the mechanisms of CIVD are still disputed, but the pathways involved could well be similar. Interestingly, the precise mechanism of action does not need to be elucidated for the regulators to be comfortable for a product to be approved as medical device



There is no evidence for the evaporative mode of action from the clinical trials. To show that the evaporation is what makes MED3000 work, you'd need to compare it to a non-evaporative gel.

[petroc] 04/11/2022 10:41

Sad old LiarBO. He just can't help thinking he is the voice of the ASA, FDA, SMNSA and everyone else, just because he keeps copy/pasting unrelated and outdated stuff from those august bodies. Oops! I forgot - LiarBO doesn't understand the adjective 'august'. Last time I used it he called me semi-literate LOL! He truly is a laughing stock!

[lbo] 04/11/2022 10:11

What standards are applied to evidence? The position taken by the ASA is a tried and tested one which has developed over the course of many years. It reflects the opinion of the wider scientific and academic community, rather than judgements made solely by the ASA. There are many aspects that are taken into consideration when evidence is reviewed and each claim is judged on its merits alongside the evidence presented to support it. Evidence submitted for health claims should normally include at least one adequately controlled experimental human



Claims like Petroc has made on ADVFN that ‘it works’ as ‘FACTS’ are misleading and false according to the ASA and court rulings. They are misrepresenting that placebos work and there is no evidence that med3000 is having any effect beyond a placebo. So his misleading claim ‘it works’ ‘FACTS’ cannot be substantiated with evidence from any adequately controlled and blinded studies. All the evidence the ramper is relying on has been ruled by the Courts to be ‘deficient’. Not even Futura are making the same false and misleading claims as Futura give all the necessary disclaimers unlike the rampers who do not as they are hiding behind their anonymity and multi-ID names on multiple bulletin boards.



One specialist commentator felt that the clinical effectiveness has not been demonstrated. The absence of an adequate placebo (an inactive topical gel) for highlighted as a limitation by 3 commentators. One commentator said that without it, the clinical effectiveness could be attributed to the placebo effect of rubbing a gel

[lbo] 04/11/2022 02:37

Petroc the ramper is also now back misrepresenting oral placebo studies studies against placebo medical device studies. He yet again is just making more false claims on ADVFN. It has been shown medical devices especially gels that are rubbed in. Have much higher placebo effects then just swallowing an oral placebo pill.




Recent research has shown that the placebo effect is not only similar for medical devices to medical trials; it is considerably larger, the effect of a sham device is almost three times that of an oral placebo.



Placebo Treatment: Don't Eat It, Rub it!

indications to suggest that a topical placebo induces stronger effects than an oral one.