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FLOW Flowgroup

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28 Mar 2024 - Closed
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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Flowgroup LSE:FLOW London Ordinary Share GB00B19H7076 ORD 0.1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.00 0.00% 0.0145 - 0.00 00:00:00
Industry Sector Turnover Profit EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap
0 0 N/A 0

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29/4/2016
14:45
That's a matter of opinion and what makes a market - loss making now, big opportunity tomorrow makes for a debate about what a share is worth today. No problem with someone stating they don't like a valuation.
blah blah
29/4/2016
14:38
My opinion - the valuation here looks nuts, for a jam tomorrow company.

I am afraid I agree with this-two years and a total of £27 million loss, that's a lot.

loobrush
29/4/2016
14:29
That is a terrible write up. It seems to boil down to some bloke down the pub who said he was an engineer didn't think much of it. Weigh that opinion up carefully against that of Jabil, a multi-billion dollar business, that has invested heavily both in terms of cash and development effort. And then the writer of the article compounds this by saying he couldn't be bothered to look at the rest of the business, of which the energy business more than justifies the current market cap.

Shocking that people can write this stuff and think anyone else should pay it any attention. I would be embarrassed for them but I suspect they have a low level of self awareness.

blah blah
29/4/2016
14:14
Small Cap Report:

Flowgroup
Share price: 21.5p (down 14.8% today)
No. shares: 317.5m
Market cap: £68.3m

Results y/e 31 Dec 2015 - you know that any company releasing 2015 results now is going to be reporting awful figures, and that's very much the case here.

These are really terrible figures. An increased operating loss of £17.1m, on turnover of £40.4m.

The original product launch, of a new type of domestic boiler, flopped basically. Although possible changes to VAT rates didn't help. So it was withdrawn, and they're now trying to reduce the production cost, with the contract manufacturer Jabil.

It is however noteworthy that Jabil, a substantial company, invested £7.4m in FLOW's last fundraising, a considerable indication of commitment.

Balance sheet - if cash burn continues at a prodigious rate, then the company will need to do another fundraising. Will investors be quite so keen next time? I have my doubts.

My opinion - the valuation here looks nuts, for a jam tomorrow company.

A friend (who is an engineer) looked into the new boiler product, and told me a while ago that the claims made for it are questionable. In my view, FLOW has solved a problem that doesn't exist.

I haven't really looked into its other business, as an alternative energy supplier. The overall picture is too poor to make me consider investing here. It's going on theBargepole List, due to the initial product launch not working, and the need for more cash. This type of share nearly always goes wrong in some way, leaving "believers" in the story nursing heavy losses. Maybe this time it's different? Why take the risk?
- See more at: hxxp://www.stockopedia.com/content/small-cap-value-report-29-apr-2016-rtn-ffy-flow-129539/#sthash.SBd0gQJP.dpuf

aishah
29/4/2016
14:14
A reminder that if you would like to hear Tony Stiff, CEO, and Nigel Canham, CFO, present the results for Flowgroup, with the opportunity to ask them questions, we will be hosting a webinar on Wednesday the 4th May at 1.15pm.

To register please go to:

The presentation will last around 30mins with q+a to follow. If there are any questions you would like put forward to management please email them to ben.ferguson@equitydevelopment.co.uk

Thanks,
The Equity Development Team

hannahh
29/4/2016
12:36
Was a holder of these but from the start they have never met expectations so I sold out a year ago. Seems to me that they have excellent PR but the reality of the situation is that they will never sell the volume of boilers to make a profit.
That is why they have now gone into selling gas and electric and that's the only thing keeping them afloat. Now this tie up with Diakin-whats that all about as you can buy their products anywhere.
My own view is that they have had a great rise from the low point but its time to bail out as their boiler may take years to to make a profit.They have hardly installed any to date.Do the maths yourself and don't be taken in by the hype.

loobrush
29/4/2016
11:56
Read Equity Development's note on FLOWGROUP, out this morning, by visiting hxxps://www.research-tree.com/company/GB00B19H7076
"The Big 6 energy providers are caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand they are being criticised by politicians for not cutting tariffs enough, but on the other profits from their power generation arms are being decimated by crippling wholesale prices. Worse still the situation is being exacerbated by all the negative media coverage, leading to their supposedly loyal customers now walking away in droves. ..."

thomasthetank1
29/4/2016
08:56
Recovering nicely - it was a difficult call for direction this morning, balancing the results (which aren't great, albeit in line or slightly better than forecast) with the news which I think is good strategically. The test wasn't the initial market reaction, it will be what institutions want to do and we will only know that when they start meetings. Presumably they have a good few lined up - if they make buyers at them then the price could kick on again into the 30s.
blah blah
29/4/2016
08:56
Nicely climbing back up, whats the odds on finishing the day blue!
sp1972
29/4/2016
08:12
Slowly climbing back up
bogotatrader
29/4/2016
08:01
Thanks Brummy, they increased target by 1p:), down on boiler prospect but up on rest of group, say it's conservative.
paleje
29/4/2016
07:59
Company still not managing expectation well !Personally taking advantage of this reaction as medium /long term outlook never better imho.
kooba
29/4/2016
07:57
surprised there was so much short term hot money in this one.....
bogotatrader
29/4/2016
07:56
New research out today from Equity Development

hxxps://www.equitydevelopment.co.uk/doc/1487.pdf

brummy_git
29/4/2016
07:50
Will finish 10pc down today then gradually creep up ... Just a guess.
meganxmas
29/4/2016
07:42
disastrous reaction from the market...

Board need to reflect on this

moorsie2
29/4/2016
07:35
Seen one broker trim target on more contained boiler roll out but still target 41p...hoping for more of short term pullback to test previous resistance and to add...would be great opportunity considering the progress.
kooba
29/4/2016
07:31
"The first agreement is an OEM agreement for the UK, under the terms of which Daikin Europe NV (DENV) will supply FPL with an innovative and comprehensive range of mass market Combination and System boilers under the Flow brand."

So they are going to sell a boiler designed and manufactured by another company and rebadged as Flow.

And,

"As we said in our half yearly statement, in order to ensure that the design process of the Combination version of the Flow boiler is as efficient as possible, we will not accelerate the development cycle for the Combination version until we have the System version of the boiler in full production and installed in a range of customer homes with electricity output optimised. Therefore, the timing for release of the Combination boiler project milestones will be determined and announced later in 2016."

Does not sound very confident about their own Combo boiler, which is what this company was supposed to be all about.

At least the energy supply side is doing well, maybe they should split the business.

bandflex
29/4/2016
07:26
Last time I looked it was only April so at £1m a month they would have only burnt £4m - and that should be reducing as they add new customers. Opodio you come across as someone with an agenda. I expect this will start to climb again shortly, the potential here is enormous.
blah blah
29/4/2016
07:19
cash running out and gettng lower each day
opodio
29/4/2016
07:18
Hot money trading over the results is coming out and there is good buying interest around 23p mark
bogotatrader
29/4/2016
07:16
hopeful, the cash stated was at december so they have alreadt burnt 6m in the period since
opodio
29/4/2016
07:11
market not happy....
moorsie2
29/4/2016
07:05
Forgot to mention the trade payables looks as though it's been heavily massaged. Opodio has a point vis-a-vis the cash burn. DYOR
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