Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
First Derivatives Plc LSE:FDP London Ordinary Share GB0031477770 ORD 0.5P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  20.00 0.85% 2,370.00 8,516 15:49:50
Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price
2,370.00 2,375.00 2,375.00 2,350.00 2,350.00
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Software & Computer Services 217.35 16.68 50.90 46.6 632
Last Trade Time Trade Type Trade Size Trade Price Currency
15:59:02 O 40 2,371.896 GBX

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First Derivatives Daily Update: First Derivatives Plc is listed in the Software & Computer Services sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker FDP. The last closing price for First Derivatives was 2,350p.
First Derivatives Plc has a 4 week average price of 2,060p and a 12 week average price of 2,060p.
The 1 year high share price is 3,635p while the 1 year low share price is currently 2,010p.
There are currently 26,687,526 shares in issue and the average daily traded volume is 53,173 shares. The market capitalisation of First Derivatives Plc is £632,494,366.20.
ezram: Badger36 What is the goal? If it is to talk down a share price, then you are failing miserably
ezram: If you are that concerned you should close out. I am sure Aqua has been eating into revenues of FDP. The relationship between the companies was lukewarm at best. I fear with no senior driving influence FDP price will plummet further.
ezram: If an undisclosed issue appears and is not reported in means the CFO and senior management are complicit. If the projections and sales figures have been massaged same thing applies. With share price falling staff retention via options is diminished. Can the senior management react? A vote of Confidence would be a set of director buys.
angusframpton: Please forgive my ignorance of the subject, but my simplistic understanding is that shorters make money by scaremongering the share price down, then buying more shares when they are low, waiting for recovery once scare fear wears off before profiting. So in this case, all is going to plan, and the shorters win?
mog: They haven't said anything, results are generally towards end of May so not long to wait anyway. Isn't it lovely and quiet here? I'm tempted to say "There she blows, Looks like TW was incorrect after all" :) after a near 50% share price rise in 6 weeks, but I'd rather have confirmation from the company in news flow over the next months and years.
ezram: To be blunt can I state that nothing dishonest is going imho. I do not think giving a breakdown of revenue by broad source (software vs consultancy) and sector (finance vs other) is a big ask. Nor would it reveal much of use to competitors. Not doing so has clearly damaged the company share price and hurt shareholders. The company have made a mistake with the information day IMHO btw. Making the event " invitation only " and essentially trying to control the content isn't a good approach, and adds fuel to a growing fire. Swiss do you have a professional relationship ( employee ex or otherwise ) with the company and/or are you still a substantial share holder? IMHO You have been a consistent contributor to this board and have always given a quite balanced view of the companies progress.
ezram: I have an interest in this share Galvey. I had held a long time, and I will do so again. Idiots constantly shouting " up up and away" are ultimately responsible for the over correction in the share price recently. [ Which will continue further btw ] It basically made the people behind TW's posts life easy. If it had independent analyst views and balanced debate the share price would be growing, albeit slower, and it would provide a sensible dividend, and thus a better long term investment. Idiot accounting that people can use to smear and blur also doesn't help but certain people not taking a rational view, considering both the pro's and con's is a much bigger problem. These forums are used to construct private investor views and essentially the direction of the wind on any particular week. I yearn for the day you provide sensible.
mog: The share price drop is obviously because of more sellers (incl shorts) than buyers, but the actual share price doesn't to my mind indicate a company with major issues, at £28 it's still on pe about 35 and price to sales 3.5, that's not a company with problems. I think the valuation had simply become too rich at say £45 for a company growing revenue at about 20%.
bootycall: Moorsie2. It does not surprise me about the award. I seem to remember they won another one last year. Normally the share price goes down after the award... not before it :) On a serious note. Congratulations to Brian Conlon. Anyone who knows this man understands what a class act he is. Well deserved. I think First Derivatives moving forward will be quite shaken about this bear raid but I think they are sensible enough to learn from it. I would not be surprised if the auditors are changed and quite frankly so they should. I also expect a whole level off disclosure to be made at analysts results meetings, although this may take effect at the full year results to manifest itself properly. The software industry does seed start ups. I understand FDP has made a few small investments by way of small amounts of cash or provision of user licenses in exchange for revenue share agreements etc., with some smaller start up to widen the applications using their database technology. I am sure it does not help commercially having to disclose all the minutiae to competitors but they need to reassure their investor base by a greater level of transparency . I hear one of these investments, Cobalt, whilst very small is extremely promising. I hope I have found the right company (and apologies if I have not )but the same company received financial backing from the Singapore Exchange as you can see from this Crunchbase link. Now that is the sort of research which I would like to see more of ! hxxps://
bootycall: flybyknight Zero hedge has called a chart breakdown on the Russell 2000 index today. The small cap tech sector is imploding . My sources inform me that the FDP bear story was circulating as far back as June. FDP has enjoyed a very high multiple because of consistent delivery of earnings growth. Liberum reiterated at the end of last week its fully diluted EPS forecast for FDP to 2/19 as 94p and 107p for 2/20. I think that a high quality, well managed business in the data analytics sector deserves to be on a multiple of at least 40 times for calendar 2019.. inferring a valuation of £41-£42. I concede in these market conditions the share price could be pushed down to 30 times earnings..but the price is starting to look a my opinion. Liberum arrived at a much higher valuation (target price £53) after valuing the consultancy revenues at 3 times sales and the software sales at 6 times and applying a software multiple on the forecast revenues from new verticals to which it applied a 25% discount rate.The nearest comparators, loss making Cloudera and Hortonworks have just merged on a 6.5 times sales. Investors should look at FDP's compound earnings growth and remember this is after expensing material sums on new verticals which have yet to produce revenue. Furthermore, you could argue that FDP has spent north of £5M ? this year on these new verticals suggesting it is trading on close to 26 times core forward earnings for world leading technology. DYOR
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