Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Smith (ds) Plc LSE:SMDS London Ordinary Share GB0008220112 ORD 10P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  -3.10 -0.9% 341.90 730,974 11:14:01
Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price
341.80 342.00 347.70 338.70 347.70
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
General Industrials 6,171.00 350.00 20.60 16.6 4,710
Last Trade Time Trade Type Trade Size Trade Price Currency
11:14:01 AT 572 341.90 GBX

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Smith (ds) Daily Update: Smith (ds) Plc is listed in the General Industrials sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker SMDS. The last closing price for Smith (ds) was 345p.
Smith (ds) Plc has a 4 week average price of 319.80p and a 12 week average price of 306.30p.
The 1 year high share price is 416.50p while the 1 year low share price is currently 286.20p.
There are currently 1,377,652,787 shares in issue and the average daily traded volume is 5,531,209 shares. The market capitalisation of Smith (ds) Plc is £4,710,194,878.75.
erogenous jones: Yeah.... right! Sure, might have overpaid for recent acquisitions, but with due respect to the analyst, is not this not news from many months ago - January from memory? And, funnily enough the share price did fall to under 300p shortly after the acquisition. Basically it seems to me that they don't really have an answer for the weakness in the share price and their institutional guidence is basically avoid. My suspicion for the share price weakness is rather more to do with Germany close to recession, USA showing similar indications, the UK with a pretty flat economy, a trade war with China and unrest in Arab states. This long term holder won't mind if the shares mark time and are range bound. I am at the point in the financial calendar when I try to make some adjustments in preparation for the year ahead. I forecast a further 6 months of excellent return but with a little more volatility. August and September were lousy and my portfolio slipped 8% in that time. Not complaining as am still up 17.1%
dssmith51: The share price of DSSmith is continuing to be heavily affected by the prospect of a no deal brexit as well as other issues to a smaller degree. The China issue will be resolved in the near future (hopefully). Should a Brexit deal be agreed I see a share price jump to 390p in the short term. On a no deal a drop to nearer 300p. Theses are my guesstimates without knowledge.
erogenous jones: 97peter..... what do you want to talk about? In the absence of news, dealing pressure will determine the nuances for the share price. Since the beginning of the year the share price is rising. Ummmm, what else do you wish to know?
jeffian: Re the reaction to brokers' notes, it may be a reflection on human nature but I can't help noticing that whilst buy/upgrade notes produce little or no impact on the share price, sell/downgrade notes seem to generate disproportionately large downward movements! Same thing happened to me at GNK recently.
loganair: My understanding of Buy/Sell recommendation is... Buy if expecting share price to rise by more then 10% Add share price to increase by 5% to 10% Hold share price plus or minus 5% Reduce share price to fall by 5% to 10% Sell share price to fall by more than 10%
erogenous jones: Perhaps there is a little more for the share price to fall, but, Moorsie2, I doubt it will be to the extent you claim. Short sellers pay particular heed to both fundamental and technical analysis. The fundamentals show a strong profitable business that is focussed on paper packaging based products, technically the 6 mth chart is rising in a shallow band. And although the 3 month chart is southbound (as is the 12 month), news and fundamentals SHOULD always determine the broad direction for the share price. IMO, there are better companies to sell short (not my idea of investing) and this is a strong and long term componant both as a defensive and as a cyclical holding in an investors portfolio.
jeffian: Absolutely agree with loganair. Buybacks are management using real (our) cash to try to boost the share price by massaging the NAV and EPS upwards. Unfortunately, the market is an emotional, rather than mathematical, mechanism so every £1 spent will not necessarily be converted into an equivalent increase in the share price. As a shareholder in Whitbread, I am currently waiting to see how much of the £2bn(!) cash being "returned" to us following the sale of Costa will actually find its way into my pocket or added directly to the share price. I am not holding my breath. As for buying back "undervalued" shares, that rather depends on how "value" is assessed. There may be a case if a company's shares are trading at a substantial discount to its underlying assets (the argument currently being used by EI Group whose shares trade at a discount of 40% to its freehold property portfolio) but in the case of SMDS, its 'Net Asset Value' of £3.112bn (equivalent to £2.34/share) actually includes £3.2bn of Intangible Assets.
loganair: I completely disagree, how ever undervalued shares may be as good management would be able to deploy this money some where better to grow the company. If do not know where to invest, then I think far better to pay a 'Special Dividend' I'm reminded of BWIN, who's management kept buying back shares and yet the share price kept falling until taken over by GVC. In the long run, it seems to me share buy backs just waste a companies money rather then returning any long term value to the share holders.
erogenous jones: Not necessarily here, your lordship, but generally in many FTSE companies. IMB is one where I think it might be fair to suggest that in disposing of his stake it basically wiped around 300p off the share price. Of course, if his funds are under the 3% mark, then they will not feature on the company register, but it rather depends on how the money is actually spread on the holdings that seem intertwined in funds under his management. EDIT - there are also those funds which are not under his management that have a holding interest in some under his wing - they will come under pressure for their own liquidity and might impact on where bargains are executed as well as which sectors are in focus. Anyway, good to note that the FCA are counting the bodies rather than doing anything about preventing such messiness
togglebrush: FWIW____Press Extract "Hedge funds have taken aim at cardboard box maker DS Smith ahead of the publication of its annual results next week, betting that a recent slump in its shares will drag on. About 4pc of the FTSE 100 giant’s shares are now on loan to short sellers including Citadel Europe, Coltrane Asset Management and Marshall Wace, up from less than 0.5pc in December. The combined short position is worth roughly £180m, based on Friday’s share price."
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