Deepmatter Share Discussion Threads

[the stigologist] 21/1/2021 08:53

Looking like a double top on the chart

[the stigologist] 21/1/2021 08:24

LOL the rewards which they don't disclose (because it is so pitiful I suspect)

Do you know they run a 'Freemium model' ?

How difficult is it giving away stuff free ?

No wonder Revenue is collapsing

Next cash call no doubt already being planned

No wonder Griffiths dumping as fast as he is able to

[purchaseatthetop] 21/1/2021 08:18

Stig.....fully appreciate your input but I can happily ignore it.
IMO Deepmatter bought Infochem to obtain the sales channels and experience plus the software that they could bundle with Deepmatter technology to deliver the new platform.
Yes...that results in short term sales losses but long term (which we are now getting to) it is amazing.
Many years ago I worked for Intergraph. It would take 2 or 3 years to actually sell a large software solution.
Now DMTR is getting the rewards of its strategy.

[yump] 20/1/2021 19:45

If you like small businesses with high operational gearing have a look at OMIP.

[the stigologist] 20/1/2021 19:41

I have posed this Question on Twitter

[ragnarr] 20/1/2021 19:11

gspanner - apologies i didnt realise you would be able to read - Ive cut and pasted the basics of the article - hope it is of interest.Why understanding operational gearing is key to successful investingUnderstanding the relationship between a company's revenues and its costs can keep you away from risky companies and help you spot potential winnersJuly 10, 2019By Phil OakleyGood investing is just as much about avoiding losers as picking winners. Thinking about business risk is therefore very important. Ultimately, the long-term fortunes of investors will be tied to the quality of the business they are invested in and the amount of business risk it is exposed to. One of the biggest risks of a business is related to how its costs and revenues are related. A failure to understand this can lead to catastrophic results, but grasping its importance can also allow you to pick winning shares. Business risk and operational gearingThe risk faced by a business is determined by lots of things, including its competitive position, the quality of its products and the state of the economy. All these have a big influence on how much profit a company can make.Arguably, the key determinant of business risk as far as the investor is concerned is the relationship between a company's revenues and its costs. This relationship is known as a company's operational gearing, which measures the percentage change in a company's trading or operating profits that arise from a 1 per cent change in its revenues. The more sensitive a company's change in profits are to a change in revenue, the more operationally geared its profits are.Taking time to understand a company's operational gearing is one of the best things you can do if you are thinking of investing in the shares of a company. A company may be growing its profits very quickly because of it, but this may not be sustainable if revenues are unsustainable and start to fall. Operational gearing explainedCompanies with a large proportion of fixed costs – costs that have to be paid regardless of the level of revenues – have more operationally geared profits. Examples of highly operationally geared businesses are transport companies, manufacturers or service companies that employ a lot of their own staff. Low operationally geared companies have mostly variable costs – costs that vary with revenues – such as retailers which buy and sell products. Most businesses have some fixed costs and therefore have some degree of operational gearing. Companies with high operational gearing will see their profits grow faster than their revenues when revenues are growing, but will see them shrink faster when they are Source: Investors Chronicle The company with high operational gearing has a significantly higher fixed cost base and relatively low variable costs. These low variable costs allow it to have very high contribution margins – where contribution is defined as revenue less variable costs – but it has to sell a lot of its products or services to make a meaningful profit. The good news is that once the level of contribution has covered its very high fixed cost bill, each extra bit of revenue adds a much bigger proportional amount to profits. This is the leveraging of the high fixed cost base in action, or the operational gearing. Starting from a base revenue of 100, a 10 per cent increase in revenues leads to an 80 per cent increase in operating profits – the change in profits is geared eight times to the change in revenues.Unfortunately, this gearing also works in reverse. A 10 per cent reduction in revenues leads to an 80 per cent reduction in operating profits. This kind of profit reduction is one that is likely to decimate the share price of the company concerned. This is what can make companies with volatile revenues and high operational gearing very risky investments.The company with lower fixed costs has much lower operational gearing at three-to-one. Its profits don't go up as much when its revenues are growing, but they do not fall as much when they are falling. This makes the company's business less risky from an investor's perspective.The company's operational gearing ratio can be calculated in a couple of different ways:You can divide its contribution by its operating profit. Or you can take a company's operating profit, add its fixed costs to that number and then divide the resulting number by its operating profit. You will get the same answer.Armed with information about a company's profit contribution and its fixed costs, it is possible to create a profit volume chart to see how a company's profits will change at different levels of revenue. This assumes that the contribution margin will stay the same, which it might not if the mix of products and services being sold changes. We can see from the chart that the company with high fixed costs and high operational gearing has to achieve a higher level of revenue before it makes a profit than the company with lower fixed costs. The slope of the profit/volume line is also steeper for the higher fixed cost business, which shows its higher operational gearing. To calculate the level of profit at any given level of revenue, take the level of revenue and multiply it by the contribution margin and then deduct the fixed costs. Understanding how operationally geared a business might be is very important for investors. A company may currently look very profitable because revenues have been growing and it has a lot of fixed costs. But if its revenues are not very stable and have a tendency to fall in a recession or are lost due to increased competition then you may be getting a false impression of a company's sustainable profits.Trying to get a feel of the company's cost base and the stability of its revenues can be very insightful and helpful when researching a company. The only problem is that unless you are a company insider with a detailed view of its costs then it is very difficult to accurately calculate its level of operational gearing from its published accounts. Going back to the last recessionAll is not lost, though. As with many things in investing, history can be a useful guide to what might happen in the future. One of the most important things that I advocate to any investor is to look at how a company performed in the last recession, with particular attention to any evidence of large operational gearing effects. Unless the business is markedly different from what it was back then, there's a good chance that history could come close to repeating itself when the next downturn comes.As outside investors, we may not be able to accurately calculate operational gearing, but we can look at the past changes in revenues and profits to get a feel for the kind of operational gearing that might exist within the business.Operational gearing effects do not always come from downturns in business volumes, but can also come from changes in the selling price of a product or service. This is very evident in businesses such as airlines where prices can move around a lot depending on levels of industry demand and supply. Given the industry's high fixed cost base, profits have the potential to be very volatile.I am going to look at a couple of different businesses over an economic cycle to look for evidence of significant operational gearing. Somero (SOM) is a manufacturer of concrete levelling equipment. Demand for this equipment is cyclical and moves up and down with the economic cycle. You can see by looking at the trend in its revenues and profits that there is evidence of significant operational gearing on the downside in the last recession and on the upside in recent years as demand for its products has strengthened.The company has recently warned that demand for its products has softened due to poor weather. As a result, revenues and profits are expected to fall this year, with profits falling faster than revenues as its operational gearing kicks in.Somero has the high profit margins and returns on capital employed (ROCE) that are associated with companies that have high valuations attached to their profits. Yet at the time of writing, its shares trade on a rolling one-year forecast price/earnings (PE) ratio of 10.4 times.I do not believe that this is a sign that Somero shares are extremely cheap, but more a reflection of its cyclical revenues and high operational gearing, which suggest that it's not unreasonable to assume that its current high rates of profitability are unsustainable. Investors are not prepared to pay a high multiple of profits for the uncertainty and risks of this Airlines such as easyJet (EZJ) have huge amounts of fixed costs, such as fuel, crew and leases that do not change with the number of passengers carried on its planes. The operational gearing within the business is therefore very large.That said, there does not seem to be a set relationship between changes in revenues and changes in profits, as fuel – a large part of the cost base – is notoriously volatile and often complicates matters. Since 2007, you can see that easyJet went through a bit of a purple patch between 2009 and 2015 when profits increased faster than revenues. Subsequently, this relationship has broken down.The key takeaway here is that profits are likely to be volatile and difficult to predict going forwards. This again largely explains why investors are not prepared to pay high valuations for the shares. Very high profits from scalable fixed cost businessesOne of the most desirable things about a business with high fixed costs and potentially high operational gearing is when its revenues are relatively stable and growing and are expected to continue doing so. The ability of a business to leverage its high fixed costs with high contribution margins can see it become almost obscenely profitable as it gets bigger. This is because the costs associated with additional revenues once the fixed costs have been paid for are very low and therefore most of the extra revenues ends up as extra profit.Businesses such as software, investment platforms and where manufacturing of its products has been outsourced – as in the case of Fevertree Drinks – can see the impressive leverage of its fixed costs and high operating margins as a result. These kinds of businesses have attracted very high valuations on the stock market.Hindsight is all well and good, but if you can spot a business with a scalable fixed cost base in its early stages of growth then there can be significant potential to make a great deal of money from its shares.

[gspanner] 20/1/2021 18:44

can’t read since not subscribed...
But I would imagine the gist that software subscription is a cash cow so long as customer base continues to grow and most continue subscription (seems to be the case so far). The more that subscribe the better the margin.

or as Roaul Pal says.. ‘Software will eat the world’.

[purchaseatthetop] 20/1/2021 18:27

Absolutely ragnarr....anybody not fully aware of OG...read!

[ragnarr] 20/1/2021 17:17

Why understanding operational gearing is key to successful investinghttps://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/comment/2019/07/10/why-understanding-operational-gearing-is-a-key-determinant-of-successful-investing/

[purchaseatthetop] 20/1/2021 17:05

the abbot....this is all about Operational Gearing (OG). DMTR has high fixed costs and very low variable costs. It has very high OG. Nearly all that extra income (to be determine) will go to reducing losses/increasing profits/reducing cash burn/increasing cashflow.
IMO the cash burn and losses are reduced to immaterial sums by the series of new contracts and renewals.
Remember that AN EXTRA £2M was raised in July 2020 after the 30/6/20 accounts and £2.01m cash balance so real balance was in excess of £4m and that is reflected in the present share price.
Very excited about this slow burner. I will accumulate gradually at these prices and be ready to buy many more when we breakout.

[the stigologist] 20/1/2021 16:31

Expect a Holdings 'down-date' from Griffiths soon

[jpuff] 20/1/2021 16:18

An acrid smell of roasting shorters around today. ;)

[purchaseatthetop] 20/1/2021 16:04

Gspanner...not sure the share could go much lower so shorting not the one. Just a random idiot missing his village.

[yump] 20/1/2021 15:29

Too much credit given. A proper shorter wouldn't be bothering with DMTR - too unpredictable.

There are a percentage of total wasters on ADVFN.

[gspanner] 20/1/2021 15:19

love it when there is a shorter getting desperate, reminds me of Argo back in the day... Are you Plat Hunter, Stigo?

[candlestick1] 20/1/2021 15:17

Stig, check out page 37 of DDDDs Annual Report, also from June 2020..."Material uncertainty related to going concern"Once again, a bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss.

[the stigologist] 20/1/2021 15:08

Remember when I called the Placing ?

June 2020 I warned about the 'Going Concern' issues and Auditors 'Emphasis of Matter'



This Company is a still a loser and loss maker

July 2020 They announced a Placing to keep the lights on for a bit longer

Would not be surprised if they try to raise more money soon to shore up the Balance Sheet

[the stigologist] 20/1/2021 15:02

'Freemium model' LOL

[the stigologist] 20/1/2021 15:00

Volume of 15m so far today

Griffiths probably only 2.5 - 5.0m of that

Just another 60 Million shares to dump

Thank you mug punters

[purchaseatthetop] 20/1/2021 14:33

Thanks for that stig,....I cannot wait for griffiths to cease selling. Then the price will rise. That's why I am here.

[yump] 20/1/2021 14:29

Just ignore or filter. You can see the need for attention from the bold and/or capitals.