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[castleford tiger] 31/7/2020 16:53

Heard of travel councillors ?

Big players with JET 2.

So Tuesday this week 1 has 9 clients going to Cyprus this weekend.
By Tuesday 2 30 pm no news from Jet 2 as far as everyone is concerned the flights are going.

Seeing other areas in Greece are fast becoming full due to Spain lock down and fearing Cyprus might not get a bridge contact is made with JET2 to switch the 9 to Greece.
fee paid £1350 and changed.
Wednesday Jet 2 cancel Cyprus flights.

Travel councillor asked for fee paid 18 hrs before to be waived.
Refused.
This particular councillor put over 1.85 million of business to Jet 2 last year.

Sorry to say it but we are not winning many friends at the moment

tiger

[joe kingl] 31/7/2020 16:48

What part of the word "hypothetical" don't you understand then dimwit.

[conardj] 31/7/2020 16:12

its not al over spain, its mainly catalonia and aragon.

[joe kingl] 31/7/2020 15:32

So let's look at a hypothetical (but very possible) situation:-.....

Covid outbreaks all over Spain and it's Islands......UK in semi lockdown because people refuse to follow Government advice.....J2 take more infected people out there and then bring even more infected people back..... What's that going to do to J2's reputation ?????.....It could even end up in the Courts of Law.....Get real you guys please.

[castleford tiger] 31/7/2020 13:43

hardm

I don't think half empty back is the issue. Its the empty leg going out.

Say it costs £15k one way and we use the 40 figure from yesterday that's 600k.

That's each day until Monday week ( 7 days extra to what they want)

So we are looking at 4 million quid hit.

Of course we have already had this on the outbound leg ( with no returning passengers)

If we start again we will have it again for at least 7 days.

it cannot continue

Tiger

[sux_2bu] 31/7/2020 13:24

The decimal point on the share price requires to reposition one digit to the left.

[tongosti] 31/7/2020 13:06

That's true but the flip side to that coin - as clearly articulated from a couple of posters - is a potential adverse impact on customer loyalty, going forward. I agree with you in that jet2 are trying their best from a purely business and company-centric perspective hence the market is being resilient.

[hardm] 31/7/2020 12:56

It is completely sensible to cut costs by maximising seats, rather than flying half empty planes back from resorts.

Airlines are businesses, not charities. Get a grip people.

[suetballs] 31/7/2020 12:49

Boris is promoting staycations - seems pretty sensible atm.
Suet

[tongosti] 31/7/2020 10:59

OH - I certainly understand your point of view and I am also inclined to agree (IF we put market's current action aside). Assuming we will turn this terrible C19 corner soon one day - I would argue that customers may have short memories about it all, going forwards. Reason being this are indeed unprecedented times and folks may see things a bit differently when they will think about their past experiences with Jet 2. I am not excusing Jet 2 - don't get me wrong - far from it. I am just trying to reconcile existing market's resilience with an alternative point of view which may explain why the market is brushing this whole thing off.

[tongosti] 31/7/2020 10:51

CTWhile it is very logical what you say re extra costs and PR (I agree on both 100% and you may well prove to be right) my own experience tells me to let the market dictate my view (difficult as it is for me once my ego gets in the picture - believe me I don't like to be wrong that often as I am very fond of own thinking); even in the face of Mr Market strongly disagreeing with my own logic. Following from above - as of now it seems the market is not getting surprised following the recent awful circumstances those unfortunate customers find themselves in. I feel for them. Things can change on a dime of course but this is my latest reading of the market's reaction.

[doris18] 31/7/2020 10:32

Spain do include antibody tests and they’ve made roughly half of cases recently. Problem is, they’ve shot themselves in the foot with it as an IgM antibody test has just been used to help them perform more rapid, less invasive tests. IgM antibodies don’t imply that you’re not infectious hence they’ve counted them as ‘positivesR17;. All that said, their PCR cases numbers especially per capita have increased significantly. An artifact of increased testing in specific hotspots sadly. It’s never ending cycle. Canaries & Balaerics relatively stable:

hxxps://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/Actualizacion_174_COVID-19.pdf

[conardj] 31/7/2020 10:15

katie hopkins says that spain is including those tht have the antibody in their numbers. I dont know for certain but if so that is ridiculous, why would spain want it to look worse than it is? Why would Jet2 almost force repatriatoin on brits currently in Spain, that makes no sense either, unless they know something we dont

[castleford tiger] 31/7/2020 10:15

a few issues here
Joe king you say people should not of travelled?
Well how about we jet 2 should not of taken them.
On Monday flights to all Spain left as normal with a few travellers changing flights. This was against FC advice and very little choice as flights were going.
So you pay for 2 weeks in Majorca and now you are told to come home at least a week early.
Compensation will be given??
So the company is wrong.
When we started flying to Spain all the returns were empty.
I think we should of taken it on the chin and let people have their holidays
Maybe switch a few flights but give them their minimum time.
I think Re starting Spain mainland is a NO this season.
Hopefully canaries get a bridge.

Tong
These extra costs and bad PR cannot be factored in.
Twitter was on fire last night with people slagging Jet 2 off and a few saying we are bust.
We know differently but it’s about customer confidence.
The loss this first half is growing and costs keep coming during the winter.
The company examples of us starting again in April was ok
However. Stop start is costing us more.
I remain of the opinion another big dip is to come.
Tiger

[fokker100] 31/7/2020 09:54

Senn1 I would suggest that cutting short on holiday length is logistic.
e.g if 3 flights can be consolidated into one it makes sense, not all flights outbound were full.

[our haven] 31/7/2020 09:50

You could well be right Tongosti but I am not so sure 21/22 has this latest move of cutting holidays short priced in with customer loyalty.Could take until the Autumn for that to be reflected one way or the other.

[joe kingl] 31/7/2020 09:01

"Don't understand the rush to cut short holidays."..........It's called playing safe senn1..........There is a second Covid wave hitting Spain and the Islands at the moment..........Why should Jet2 management / staff be exposed to it just because people won't give up their 2 weeks in Benidorm / Magaluf / Playa Americas......ANYONE travelling during a world pandemic such as this, deserves all they get - idiots.

[senn1] 31/7/2020 08:45

Don't understand the rush to cut short holidays.

Why is puzzling me.

An empty plane no odds if you fly out now or in 10 days to let folks complete the stay.

Nobody is going to book at all now for a good while.

J2 is not going to say hey guys wete up and running in 2 weeks are they?

So are we going to ground the fleet for 2 months or more??

[doris18] 31/7/2020 08:19

40 empty seems more reasonable. Suspect even that amount per day over the next 3 days would be dwarfed by the number of empty sectors flown (both ways) over the next 2-3 weeks though. I’m sure they’ve done the maths on it. However, I don’t disagree that it appears a bit of a PR disaster.

That said, and as Minky said, other airlines have been far worse than Jet2 at handling the entire situation throughout the corona period. No doubt Jet2 will lose some but I suspect they may gain many more from other carriers.

Another testament to that, on top of Which, MSE etc, is the CAA findings that name Jet2 along with only 2 others, that have done well (Page 1 paragraph 3 and page 7):

hxxps://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAA%20review%20into%20airline%20refund%20practices%20during%20the%20Covid-19%20pandemic.pdf

[tongosti] 31/7/2020 08:17

I am not CT - we get proof after proof that the market has already discounted all we're hearing. When the news is bearish and markets not budging it is actually bullish.

[castleford tiger] 31/7/2020 08:07

Opened steady which again surprises me after last night.
Tiger

[fokker100] 31/7/2020 07:20

Hi All.
I can tell you for a fact,there are more than 40 empty flights today.