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[corvidauk] 23/4/2008 18:57

Nimrah - let us know when you open that short......interesting?

[hoggetwood] 23/4/2008 17:25

Techmark. The climate change/CO2 release correlation has been intensely tested. This does not rule out the possibility of it being wrong, but the weight of evidence is against it being wrong. The wrong statements of Kelvin and Einstein were speculative, in the sense that they did not follow from intense programmes of research and testing devoted to those precise subjects. Their status is that of a fashion-journalist's prediction that no one will be wearing clothing item X next year. The non-moving Earth's crust is a better example for your argument. But it eventually fell under the weight of empirical evidence - there was little evidence either way in the days when the Earth's crust was believed to be fixed. I'd argue that there is now a comparable amount of evidence for the CO2 emission/climate change link as for plate tectonics.

[shanksaj] 23/4/2008 15:14

Global warming caused by human activity is a lie. Its a stick to bash everyone over the head with, especially developing countries like India and China, but also our own countries too by the ruling elite. Scientists are virtually unanimous? Type "Manhattan declaration" into google and see what you get. Look for climate change articles in the Bruges Group website.


The world population reached 1.65 billion in 1900 (according to UN reports... funny how accurate that is, isn't it? Makes you wonder if there is a deliberate under-estimating of the figure to frighten us all as much as possible) to 6 billion in 2000 (figure is a ball-park figure as you would expect: again, how strange they can be so accurate for 1900, but so vague for today.) The idea is that drastic steps are needed to curb population growth. Normal economic reasons, in the hands of ordinary people, ie "food is becoming too expensive, so we better not have another baby, my love" just won't work... so the elite have come to believe... and so the elite believe it is their responsibility to save the planet by forcing everyone to have fewer babies.

Question: What's the problem with the world?
Answer: Too many people, and too many people having too many children.

One of the leaders in the World Bank has gone on record as saying that 6 billion people is not environmentally sustainable and that the world population needs to be cut back to 1 billion. You were just a pathetic amateur Herr Adolf, just playing at population reduction, this is the real thing. Its arrived and will be playing a bigger and bigger role in your life, and in the lives of your children, coming soon.

Its worth reminding ourselves at this stage why population has increased so much in the last 100 years. Things like better water supply, better health care and vaccination programmes, more food, better technology in food production, these are the kinds of reasons. Food production, for instance, has increased more than population growth in every year since World War 2 in the developing world.. again a UN observation.

To bring about some seriously unpopular changes to the way of life in the western world you need to get rid of democracy first. You also need to find global answers, ie everyone must submit to the same answers. Can't have a way of a country here or there not towing the elite way of solving the problem. Everyone must suffer as much as everyone else. Introducing in the left corner the Undemocratic, unaccountable, unchallenged ruler of Western Europe, the European Union. And in the right corner the fresh-behind-the-ears, but following in its mentors footsteps towards bureaucratic single nation status, the North America Free Trade Area. Hurray!! The crowds cheer, oblivious of impending subjugation by the elite. Coming Soon: One World Government. A One Child Policy for all is waiting in the wings. Euthanasia is the only way forward. Control the media, prevent resistance, fund only those parties which support the Evil Dragon. Remove the children of those who resist and sterilize them.

If you think there is more truth in this than you care to sleep easily on, then you could try voting for the UK Independence Party in all elections, but its probably too late. The funding with tax payers money of Political Parties which support the EU, but not of those which do not support it, is already working its way through Brussels, by the way. Its a proposal put before the EU Parliament.

[techmark] 23/4/2008 12:09

HoggetWood,

"Telltale signs are everywhere -from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest. Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F." - Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University in Time Magazine's June 24th, 1975 article Another Ice Age?

"Space travel is bunk." - Sir Harold Spencer Jones, Astronomer Royal of the UK, 1957 (two weeks later Sputnik orbited the Earth).

"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will." - Albert Einstein, 1932

"Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax." - William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, British scientist, 1899.

"The earth's crust does not move"- 19th through early 20th century accepted geological science. See Plate Tectonics

[techmark] 23/4/2008 11:41

Gsands,

Try telling that to people buying climate exchange.

[gsands] 23/4/2008 11:36

A fool and his money are easily parted....

[hoggetwood] 23/4/2008 11:34

Techmark: there weren't any scientists in anything resembling the modern sense until about 1600, by which time the belief that the universe was Earth-centred was in its death-throse. As for the flat Earth, since at least 300 BC, educated people have believed the Earth was ball-shaped; Columbus's sailors might well have worried about falling off the edge of the Earth, but education was then a rare privilege, which the sailors won't have had.

Although your examples are not valid, it would be silly to claim that scientists never get things wrong. In this case, though, the consensus is overwhelming, and, being science, the evidence has been subjected to the severest scrutiny. What's more, the proposed mechanism for global warming is both easy to understand in broad outline and has consequences which match well what is observed. To persuade me that CO2 from burning fossil fuels has little bearing on global warming would need more than a few findings that don't seem to fit the theory.

[techmark] 23/4/2008 10:56

Aspark,

Well, we are all going wither and dry up according to Gsands!

Regards.

[asparks] 23/4/2008 10:51

filter techmark and he will wither and dry up

[zakmundo] 23/4/2008 10:42

can you contact me?

[techmark] 23/4/2008 10:32

You fight the battles, I'll win the war!!!

Regards

[gsands] 23/4/2008 10:32

Techmark,

It's a shame - not only does your opinion make you look foolish, but it is going to end up costing you a lot of money too.

See you at £25.

[techmark] 23/4/2008 10:31

Scientist used to think that the world was flat and the Earth was the centre of the universe!

The same scientists that can't predict the weather next week!!!!!!!

[gsands] 23/4/2008 10:29

Techmark,

I prefer to place my faith in the scientists who have spent their lives studying climate change.

If they say that the climate is changing due to mans CO2 emissions, then I believe them.

Simple really. When you don't know something, you go to an expert and get an educated and informed opinion. At least that's what you do unless you are a complete idiot.

[techmark] 23/4/2008 10:27

If it's going higher, why is there no volume?

How is it a fact? It is about as much of a fact as your predictions of the end of the world caused by global warming!

[gsands] 23/4/2008 10:26

Zak,

I have not argued for CLE's valutaion. I think it is eye-wateringly high.

But it is going higher - and that is a fact which we cannot ignore.

[techmark] 23/4/2008 10:25

On the contrary it is you who is insisting the world is flat. Mark my words there will be strong evidence forthcoming, to suggest that global warming cause by man is a load of hot air. It is only a matter of time. At which point you will join the rest of the people who have predicted the end of the world and have been wrong!

Regards.

[zakmundo] 23/4/2008 10:23

meanwhile techmark, you know how to get in touch with me?

[zakmundo] 23/4/2008 10:22

GSands

Don't be the last person in the room insisting that CLE represents value at £20.

Climate change or not, legislation or not, CLE doesn't have the revenues, the profits, the growth or the business monopoly it needs to justify its rating.

You sound the same as

ARM bulls ("everyone has an ARM chip in their mobile!"),
PRM bulls ("everyone needs proteomics and TMT!"),
PHRM bulls ("don't you get it, its internet advertising!") and
ARTA bulls ("integrated VOIP is the only future!")

Meanwhile the CLE story, and chart is a carbon copy of the pump and dump small free float tech stocks that get investors burned again and again and again.

[gsands] 23/4/2008 10:08

Don't be the last person in the room insisting the world is flat.

[techmark] 23/4/2008 10:07

Gsand,

LOL!

[gsands] 23/4/2008 09:56

Techmark,

I fundamentally disagree. Who are we to preach to the BRIC economies when we are producing about 15 tonnes of carbon per head to their 5?

We need to get our house in order - and doing that we are.

The Climate Change Bill being passed through Parliament right now, is the only piece of legistlation of it's type in the world.

Others are expected to follow.