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[mickinvest] 26/8/2004 11:06

Thanks Rangers for the extra £2m CL TV money :>)

copied from huddleboard and some great pictures in the thread below



Worst team in Champions League history win Celtic £2m
Rangers failure to qualify for the Champions League has brought a £2m bonus to Celtic. Champions League revenue comes in 3 streams; gate money, which the home clubs keeps; prize money, which is earned at £120k for a draw and £240k for a win at the group stage; and TV money. The TV money is returned to competing nations in proportion to how much their domestic TV broadcaster has paid for CL football. Scottish clubs get £4.6m, which is split 55% to the Champions and 45% to the runners up if 2 clubs qualify. All this money will now go to Celtic. How do you spell that till noise, Ka-ching?

CSKA Moscow were the 31st seed out of 32 competing in the 3rd Qualifying round. This is the first time such as low seed has qualified since seeding was introduced. They have a Uefa coefficient of 8.5 which is lower than Hearts, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen Livinston, Hibs and St Johnstone – yes, St Johnstone. As pretty much every other seed won, Celtic will be in Pot 3 for Thursdays draw.

Tonight was the first time I have seen "new Rangers". They were poor fair. Their new players looked keen. Boumsong likes to bring the ball forward, a bit like Varga. Novo impressed, especially on the wing & seemed genuinely gutted at losing. Lot his cool a bit at the end. Vignal had several head in hands moments & the defence, as a unit, seem to regard football more as a spectator sport. Prso has ball control which reminded me of myself during my heavy eating period. I will not mention the Serbian, mostly for spelling reasons, but also because it would be unfair to judge him before he has played 90 minutes. As for the rest, they are all looking as though they have been there too long "I'm a Rangers player get me out of here".

[toedipper05] 24/8/2004 14:29

AUGUST 24: Celtic are expected to parade Juninho as their new signing at Parkhead on Wednesday.

Celtic are expected to parade Juninho as their new signing at Parkhead on Wednesday after the Brazilian World Cup star came to an agreement with Middlesbrough over his pay-off.

The 31 year old is on the verge of becoming one of manager Martin O'Neill's - and the club's - best-ever transfer coups.

The talented playmaker also looks like putting his name to a contract in time to make his debut against Rangers on Sunday with the club being hit by injury problems.

His agent Jonathan Hassall said on Tuesday: "We've been told that Celtic are now handling the situation and everything else.

"But I believe that everything's sorted now and I would have thought he'd be up tomorrow now.

"I can say that it's all sorted anyway now at the Middlesbrough end and he's looking forward to getting up there."

A sceptical O'Neill and the supporters have refused to celebrate the signing so far but they will now be looking ahead to seeing the Brazilian grace Parkhead this season.

The Celtic boss has been looking for a big-name playmaker since Lubo Moravcik's departure and Juninho's arrival will also help ease the pain of Henrik Larsson's move to Barcelona.

O'Neill, who pledged to target players at the top end of the transfer market and work down, refused to give up on his pursuit of the Juninho despite the player initially saying he wanted to fight for his place at the Riverside.

But he soon realised after the start of the season he was not part of Middlesbrough manager Steve McLaren's plans and found the lure of the Champions League too tempting to turn his back on.

He is now in line for a baptism of fire against Rangers at Parkhead on Sunday with O'Neill being hit by an injury to influential frontman Chris Sutton.

[toedipper05] 24/8/2004 10:22

Juninho's agent has assured Celtic supporters the Brazilian midfielder still has his heart set on a move to Parkhead.

Manager Martin O'Neill quelled fears on Sunday that the move to land the 31-year-old had hit a snag by insisting he did not expect an update until later this week.

The manager and fans will not celebrate until the playmaker's signature has dried on the contract but the signs from agent Jonathan Hassall were encouraging.

Juninho will to speak to Middlesbrough directors to "tie up a few loose ends" after training on Monday afternoon and then he is expected to sign for the Scottish champions, possibly Tuesday in time for him to make his debut against Rangers.

Hassall said: "There's no developments at the moment but there is nothing worry about.

"He's been to training and we will speak to the club later.

"The move has not collapsed - it's still just a case of tying up a few loose ends at this end. After that we go up to Celtic to start training.

"I don't think he will be coming up to Celtic today but I would have thought he will be there up in the next couple of days to start a new chapter in his life.

"The player is keen to get it all sorted as soon as possible. There is no need to panic."

And Juninho is facing an Old Firm baptism of fire after inspirational Celtic striker Chris Sutton became a major doubt for this weekend's showdown with Rangers.

The Englishman, who scored the last-gasp winner against their rivals towards the end of last season, missed Sunday's victory over Inverness with a hamstring strain.

But after further examination by the medical staff, the news was not great for O'Neill.

He also has doubts over Stanislav Varga, who hobbled out of the win at Pittodrie with a similar problem, and Jackie McNamara, who is battling to recover from an ankle injury.

Young striker Craig Beattie is definitely out of the first Old Firm game of the campaign with a pulled groin.

[mickinvest] 16/8/2004 19:59

Look pretty solid to me, happy to see the debt figure being chopped down £2m each year.

Mick

[toedipper05] 16/8/2004 14:15

RNS Number:9996B
Celtic PLC
16 August 2004


CELTIC plc

Preliminary Results for the year ended 30 June 2004


HIGHLIGHTS OF THE RESULTS


* Winners of the Bank of Scotland Premierleague, the Tennents' Scottish
Cup and UEFA Cup Quarter Finalists.

* Turnover increased by 14.0% to #69.02m.

* Operating expenses increased by 19.2% to #64.15m.

* Profit from operations of #4.87m (2003: #6.73m)

* Loss after taxation of #7.47m (2003: #11.66m).

* Year end debt of #15.80m (2003: #17.78m).

* Extended contracts have been awarded to Chris Sutton, Alan Thompson,
Jackie McNamara, Stanislav Varga and a number of the younger first team
players.

[toedipper05] 16/8/2004 12:15

Brightness - not a liberty to give that info on this board but I would not be surpirsed if by now EDP do not know who it is.

R U a Celtic fan too?

[brightness] 11/8/2004 16:03

hi toedipper - can you advise me on your last edp posting - who is the plumbers merchant in the north west who wants to walk away?

You seem to have some good contacts in the merchant industry - I am sure your input would be worth something!

Ta

[toedipper05] 10/8/2004 22:31

Good start to the season, 2-1 win on Sunday and Rangers drew 0-0. Early days to gloat but a good start all the same.

[toedipper05] 29/7/2004 10:49

At last win Celtic 2 Man U 1

But I see Alan Thomspon got a nasty kncok on the shin and will def miss the first match of SPL 2004

[toedipper03] 27/7/2004 11:52

Chelsea 4 - Celtic 2

Liverpool 5 Celtic 1

What's with these results? Chelsea and Liverpool take a pre season tournament seriously while we send out school boys as if we are playing Shamrock Rovers.

I am really apprehensive about the coming season, we have signed no-one of quality at all. I hate to say it but if I was a betting man I'd stick a few quid on Rangers.

[thwaiteuk] 14/6/2004 08:36

From yesterday's Sunday Herald:

SPL discuss European league

By Neil Faskin

THE SPL have revealed they are in talks with Uefa about plans to launch a mini-European league which could see the top two clubs in Scotland leave domestic competition behind at Christmas and enter a competition involving top clubs from the likes of Portugal, Holland, Belgium and Sweden.
Lex Gold, the SPL's exec utive chairman, is planning to meet Uefa president Lennart Johansson in Portugal this week to discuss the proposal.

"It is far from being approved and it could take a minimum of two years before it is up and running. But Uefa, have shown an interest in something of this kind as a form of pilot," said Gold.

Previous plans for sim ilar Atlantic and so-called Phoenix Leagues have been aborted before, but Uefa seem to be giving this proposal more consideration. If implemented, the two top clubs in the SPL – inevitably Rangers and Celtic – would line up against poss ibly 12 other teams in a European competition which would bring Champions League qualification for its most successful participants. This could certainly offer greater revenue generating opportunities for the Old Firm. Meanwhile, the clubs left behind in the SPL would battle it out for Uefa Cup qualification during the second half of the season.

However, the questions that remain unanswered are numerous, not least how it will be funded and why the less powerful members of the SPL would accept the removal of the funds generated by playing the Old Firm.

13 June 2004

[thwaiteuk] 14/6/2004 08:33

Full story from yesterday's Scotland on Sunday:

The Atlantic motion

CELTIC and Rangers could be playing in a mini-European league as early as 2006 in a move which has the backing of the SPL and the tentative blessing of UEFA. The SPL's executive managing director, Lex Gold (pictured), confirmed yesterday that discussions on such a venture were well advanced and that he will meet UEFA president Lennart Johansson in Portugal on Wednesday to discuss the plan.

"UEFA, who have been kept informed of what we are doing, have shown interest in something of this kind as a form of pilot," said Gold.

"What we've said to them is: 'This should come under your umbrella, you should run it. We're not knocking against you because we want to work with you and, if this works, it could be looked upon as a structure for the rest of Europe'.

"It is far from being approved, though, and it could be a minimum of two years before it is up and running."

The new league would see the top two clubs in Scotland - invariably the Old Firm - leave the domestic competition behind each Christmas in order to do battle with the leading lights from Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark and Norway.

Such a scenario has long been dreamed of by the boards at Ibrox and Parkhead and various options have been tried and discarded in the last five years. From the Atlantic and Phoenix Leagues to the aborted, and embarrassing, attempt to join the FA Premiership via the Nationwide League, the door appeared to be firmly shut on the Glasgow clubs.

The difference with this new idea is that other larger associations within UEFA have given their approval to the plan, and UEFA itself has both encouraged and monitored the discussions which have led to the ground-breaking proposal.

While the new league is still at its formative stage - it does not yet have a name, though its membership strongly resembles the Atlantic League concept - the general principle is that each competing country would make their UEFA Champions League places available for the new league.

With around ten Champions League places to play for in a league of, say, 14 clubs, Celtic and Rangers would fancy their chances of being included when the continent's principal tournament comes around each autumn.

The clubs left back in their own leagues, meanwhile, would continue the domestic competition, with UEFA Cup places up for grabs for those finishing highest in the SPL. If Scottish clubs prosper in Europe, then under the new UEFA co-efficient system which relies heavily on club results in European competition, there might even be the possibility of a third Champions League place which would go to the winner of the post-break SPL, which itself might also be expanded at the break to bring in other clubs from lower leagues.

The SPL clubs have given their backing to Gold to negotiate this new proposal, and though there may be chaos in the SPL because of the current promotion and relegation issues, it is a measure of Scotland's standing within UEFA and Gold's personal reputation among the continental leagues that he has been chosen as one of just five league bosses set to promote the plan to Johansson.

Gold will be there as a delegate from a group of leagues which was set up with the aim of campaigning within UEFA for an increased profile for leagues within the game's European governing body.

A key issue in setting up the new European league is that national associations such as the SFA, and not national leagues such as the SPL, are the dominant force in UEFA, and could veto the proposal. The leagues presently do not have what they would consider a suitable representation on UEFA's all-powerful executive committee which will need to approve the new league, and the Association of European Leagues admits it will be difficult to alter the entrenched view at the Swiss headquarters of UEFA. There is hope, however, in the more open and positive attitude shown by Johansson.

"The Association of European Leagues is a construct which has been in existence since our formation in 1998," explained Gold.

"Ourselves, the Austrians, Germans, French and Spanish will meet him [Johansson] to seek four seats on the executive committee of UEFA for European Leagues.

"Germany, France and Spain will represent the larger nations while ourselves and Austria will speak for the smaller ones, but we will be pushing the concept of greater league involvement at the top level of UEFA this week."

The new league would be a major item within the discussions. Representations were made to UEFA by Gold in Seville last year prior to Celtic's UEFA Cup final defeat by Porto, and he explained: "After two years of debate we've finally succeeded in getting UEFA to look at this proposal and we're pursuing a variant on it at the moment.

"We've been holding discussions with someone just below director level at UEFA, working our way through it.

"In very broad terms we're trying to develop a league structure which would start at the beginning of January. It would have the top two or three clubs from our league joining with those from other countries.

"We would be running separate leagues from that point and we could then look at racketing up clubs from elsewhere in Scottish football into our league.

"The clubs leaving our league [to compete in Europe] would continue to play in the Scottish Cup and the CIS Cup."

The other SPL clubs, which resigned from the league largely because of the Old Firm's dominance within it, can see the possibilities within the new set-up. "This would help Scottish football develop both externally and internally," said Gold.

He was backed by one SPL club chief who has been aware of the plan from the outset and said: "We are fully aware of what has been going on and we are fully on board with the proposals, not least because it opens up the prospect of other clubs other than Celtic and Rangers being able to play in the Champions League."

There are, of course, what Gold euphemistically describes as "complications", not least among them is the cooling of interest in the idea from the Dutch following a resurgence in their own league in recent seasons. "We have a very close relationship with the Dutch," he said. "Currently, because their own competition has been doing much better, they're less outward looking than they were. They are still approachable on this but there is work to be done there.

"As for Scandinavia, those countries have set up a royal competition outwith UEFA's auspices, which makes it slightly more difficult to build this league."

The prospects of Gold's brainchild being adopted as part of official UEFA policy must have taken a giant step forward with the interest of UEFA president Lennart Johansson, who is known to be sympathetic to the problems faced by big clubs in small leagues.

SPL secretary Ian Blair is a member of UEFA's professional football committee, and he will also be hoping to continue the dialogue on the new league with his counterparts next month. "We want to push forward a route whereby successful clubs in the smaller countries can have access to greater levels of international competition and the revenues which can obviously be derived from that involvement, but that can be done in a way in which there is solidarity feeding back through to the domestic game.

"I last discussed it with our colleagues before Scotland's recent match in Copenhagen. There is a meeting for the European leagues scheduled for July and that will give us the opportunity to talk this over further with those who might be involved.

"The key to progress is that initiatives like the Atlantic League were seen as entirely separate from domestic leagues. This plan involves all the clubs, and that's why UEFA will consider it."

It is perhaps indicative of the troubled state of affairs within the SPL that cynics may accuse Gold and Blair of going public on this revolutionary plan to divert attention from their league's present traumas.

"Lex does not get the credit for the work he does, particularly on behalf of the SPL within Europe," said the SPL club chief. "He really does deserve a lot of praise for the way he has brought this concept to the stage where it is getting serious backing both from the SPL clubs and from UEFA."

[thwaiteuk] 14/6/2004 08:31

From yesterday's Scotland on Sunday:

CELTIC and Rangers could finally achieve their ambition of playing in a mini-European football league as early as 2006 as a result of negotiations between the Scottish Premier League (SPL), their counterparts on the continent and the sport governing body Uefa.

The SPL's executive managing director, Lex Gold, has confirmed that talks are not only well advanced but that they have been conducted with the blessing of Uefa and all 12 SPL members, who have all previously been deeply dubious about the idea.

Although the details are still to be finalised, the proposal would see the top two clubs in Scotland's premier division, almost certainly the Old Firm, leave the domestic competition behind each Christmas in order to do battle with the leading lights from Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark and Norway.

Such a scenario has long been dreamed of by the Ibrox and Parkhead club chiefs. They believe they could attract bigger crowds and therefore more money by playing European teams rather than the less glamorous Scottish sides. But the Old Firm have seen their dreams of Euro-cash frustrated by their normally dismal performance in competitions such as the Champions League.

They have attempted to get on to a larger stage for the last five years, without success. They have tried to enter leagues involving other small nations and even tried to get into the FA Premiership in England.

[mickinvest] 26/5/2004 00:06

Goodbye the King, you will always be remembered

[mickinvest] 26/5/2004 00:05

Goodbye the King, you will always be remembered

[seanyboy] 24/5/2004 12:14

A quick decision on the replacement would be good for CCP holders otherwise we will continue the drift downstream. Got to be tempting for MON but he is "in love" with Celtic (Brian Quinn quote)so we got nothing to worry about. Oh yeah! Irrespective think of CCP as a long-term hold and you definately have no worries!

[toedipper03] 24/5/2004 10:19

hmmm, Liverpool have called a press conference for 12pm today to announce departure of Houllier. I wonder who they have in the pipe lin to take over, better not be our MON! NEVER NEVER NEVER.

[nigel12321] 20/5/2004 00:01

seanyboy,

CCP could also bounce off the 200ma which it hit today, if the pullback is deemed 'overdone'. I've been waiting to return for some time since selling in the mid 70p range....

Bollingers are real narrow, and the chart looks good I reckon.

I'm holding out long for a target of £1.

Nige
:)

[seanyboy] 19/5/2004 23:39

I suppose Houllier's uncertainty at Liverpool was the reason for the bashing CCP's share price got today. Be advised there will be more to come if H exits. MON would be the big favourite to fill that vacancy and we all know what uncertainty does in the stock market. Also temporary negative sentiment with the departure of Larsson. Could hit 50p I am afraid to say but if the MON rumors come to nothing will rapidly find it's way again. Still on for 100p for the holders with patience. DYOR

[thwaiteuk] 19/4/2004 08:12

Championees, Championees!!!!

[nobbygnome] 10/4/2004 11:58

Hi to all the Celtic supporters on this thread.

I am involved in a company which make branded art products for Celtic. Until April 16th we are doing a 25% discount on all products which you can see on our website pasted below. You can also buy most of our products in the Celtic shop but you won't get the 25% discount!



Regards

Nobby

[toedipper03] 29/3/2004 15:57

Rangers 1 Celtic 2!

[mickinvest] 28/3/2004 10:10

Hail hail the celts are here

[mickinvest] 26/3/2004 09:33

Spread now 72-75p,

All short term holders would have been cleared on the last few pull backs.

Whether buyers apear large or small, expect them to chip away with buys outnumbering sells over the next few weeks. Stage now set to bring through the real quality kids. Will come back in the afternoon and try and add more if the price is right.

Have we got a game on Sunday :>)

Mick

[mickinvest] 26/3/2004 08:20

Shares will be up around 20p tomorrow.

Pity I sold mind :>(

Mick

Shares hardly moved and with another £2m net into the pocket from the next round, a £5m goalie and £5m centre back discovered along with a tour against Chelsea, Liverpool, man U and Roma recently announced I'm stocking up.

Managed to get 10k and 6K there for just under 72.7p :>)

Mick