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  10.00 0.24% 4,200.00 4,150.00 4,190.00 4,200.00 4,170.00 4,170.00 9,517 10:56:04
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17/7/2015
09:46
Hi. I have a question on how to present things on the tax return CGT pages. For 2014/15 I have: share sales that have produced gains share sales that have produced losses an EIS investment that I want to claim CGT deferral for a claim for negligible value ( NVC) I know what the final outcome is but not sure where to put everything on the pages Does for example the NVC get netted off the gains I show in box 21 ? By increasing the cost I show in box 20? Do I just note that I have an EIS claim in box 37, enclose the form I have and not show the actual number anywhere on the CG pages Would really appreciate some clarification - thanks very much
harrogate
15/7/2015
22:20
Any views on the increased share stake by CGT announced today ?
coolen
10/7/2015
14:13
bluemango, this link to analysis by HL on this subject should further assist: hxxp://www.hl.co.uk/news/articles/budget-2015-changes-to-dividend-tax-explained
m_k_hubbert
10/7/2015
13:03
Many thanks for your speedy responses. Certainly hope #6900 is a true reflection of how this will be calculated, thank you. No doubt HMRC will clarify in due course.
bluemango
10/7/2015
12:41
My understanding is that the 7.5% dividend tax applies to 'basic rate taxpayers'. Those earning (from work, pensions, savings interest etc.) less than the personal allowance namely £11k in 2016/17 are 'non taxpayers' in which case the unused part of an investor's personal allowance is added to the £5k dividend allowance which applies to everyone. On this basis an investor with a sizeable portfolio producing up to £16k pa in dividends but with no other source of income would not incur the 7.5% dividend tax charge. There are further apparent 'quirks' with the new dividend tax regime which result in higher rate and additional rate taxpayers with quite substantial portfolios actually being better off as a result of Wednesday's dividend tax changes; for example a higher rate taxpayer gains from the new £5k allowance up to the point where their portfolio exceeds £541.7k assuming a 4% average dividend yield. More details on the RIO thread which I won't reproduce here as topic is not directly related to CGT. I should state that I'm not a qualified tax adviser.
m_k_hubbert
10/7/2015
10:14
I thought it was to catch people who took dividends rather that pay themselves an income, so the punitive interpretation looks more likely. Unfortunately there are some people who will be caught in the crossfire. Just my view.
pedr01
10/7/2015
09:02
Although not a CGT question, does anyone here have a view on the new dividend tax and whether, if you receive the majority of your income in dividends, the new £5000 allowance is in addition to the personal allowance? I.e. you could in theory receive £16,000 dividend income tax free? (p.a. 11,000 plus dividend allowance 5000). A post budget article by Citywire seemed to think this was the case but some contributers to TMF weren't so sure. hTTp://m.citywire.co.uk/money/dividend-tax-hike-how-to-avoid-paying-too-much/a825753 "Another point to consider is that dividend income can also be covered by the personal allowance, ie, the amount of income you are can earn before being taxed. That is set to rise to £11,000 next year, so someone who received the entirety of their income in dividends could receive up to £16,000 of this tax-free." Personally I'd be surprised if the allowances were added in this way. However it seems particularly punitive for it to kick in at £5000 (regardless of your personal allowance) if dividends are your main income source.
bluemango
13/6/2015
23:16
Re Vodafone, a relative disposed of her holdings in both VOD and VZC last tax year and I've done all the CGT calculations using an Excel spreadsheet. I've been attempting to check my calculations via CGTCalculator.com and am running into problems re the VOD/VZC deal (but the program works fine to check her other share disposals). Basically the restructuring (R) option does not appear to readily handle the allocation of (approx.) 63.97% / 36.03% VOD/VZC post deal; furthermore given that the 'C Shares' (Income) option was selected I can't readily figure out a way to 'trick' the program into increasing her acquisition costs in accordance with the detailed process outlined on Vodafone's website. I can, of course, simply show the acquisition cost of the new VOD shares in a single transaction based on her pre-deal Section 104 holding cost x 0.6397 plus the allowable extra cost as result of selecting the 'C' option but the number of buying transactions will thus be much reduced (although the CGT calculations should be unaffected). I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has encountered this issue and whether, like me, they decided that the best way to proceed was to use CGTCalculator for everything except VOD and handle the latter manually. I've not yet tried Stonebanks for last tax year but have looked at its documentation and concluded that it probably can't readily cope with the complexity of VOD/VZC either. Thanks in anticipation.
m_k_hubbert
11/6/2015
09:52
Thanks mate. again appreciate your time.
sos100
11/6/2015
09:26
not trying to confuse CGT with ISA but if i was to make more than the cgt amount in a ISA and i decide to move all or part of the proceeds back into my bank account is there still any potential tax liability? so the gains come out of the ISA ,is it still classed as outside of cgt or any other potential tax liabilites? No to CGT. CGT taxes gains on the basis of when and where they were realised, not in general what you do with them subsequently (*). The gains concerned were realised in the ISA before you withdrew the proceeds and are not subject to CGT because of that: the fact that you subsequently withdrew the proceeds from the ISA doesn't change that. As regards other UK taxes, I'm not aware of any circumstances in which withdrawing money from an ISA directly causes a tax bill to appear ("directly" because if e.g. you put the withdrawn money in an investment that pays you income, that income will of course be taxable - but the direct cause of that taxable income is buying the investment, while withdrawing the money from the ISA is only an indirect cause, enabling you to buy the investment). Note that I am not aware of every nook and cranny of the UK tax system! - it's conceivable that there are obscure circumstances in which withdrawing money from an ISA would directly cause a tax bill, all I can say is that I'm not aware of any such circumstances. To complete this answer, if by any chance you're tax-resident abroad, all bets are off - both as regards my knowledge of foreign tax systems (I know almost nothing about them beyond that I personally strongly prefer to avoid them) and as regards the ISA protecting you against any of their taxes (so far as I am aware, ISAs only protect you against UK taxation). (*) An exception that I believe still exists is reinvestment of the gains in EIS companies, which defers the taxation by CGT of the original gains. But that's pretty much the opposite of what you're envisaging - it's causing a tax bill that would have been payable not to be payable (yet) rather than creating a new tax bill. And if the original gains arose in an ISA, the CGT tax deferral will look around and say "What capital gains? I don't see any capital gains." - as I said, capital gains (and losses) in an ISA are completely invisible to CGT. sorry if it's a silly question but a couple people have suggested to me that once the money is actually withdrawn its subject to tax so I'm confused,maybe you can set me straight as to if there's any tax liabilities if your putting the money (profits) into your bank account surely that defeats the purpose of having a ISA account. What they're telling you is that interest earned on that non-ISA bank account will be subject to Income Tax just like any other interest earned on non-ISA bank accounts. Similarly, if you were to invest it in shares, dividends paid by those shares would be subject to Income Tax and capital gains/losses realised when you sell them would be subject to CGT as normal for shares held outside an ISA. E.g. if you invested £15k in an ISA last tax year, bought some shares with it and have just sold them for £20k, that £5k gain is exempt from CGT. If you now withdraw the £20k from the ISA, use it to buy some other shares, and end up selling those shares for £30k next year, that new £10k gain realised outside an ISA will be subject to CGT - but the original £5k gain remains just as exempt from CGT as it originally was. Of course, normally it would be better not to withdraw the money from the ISA and instead reinvest it inside the ISA - that way, the extra £10k gain will also be exempt from CGT. However, that's not always possible, because not all shares are allowed investments in an ISA - e.g. if you want to buy shares in a private company a mate is setting up and has offered you a stake in, you can only do that outside an ISA. Be careful though that there are two cases where investments aren't 'allowed' in an ISA. One is where the tax rules say they're not allowed: those investments simply cannot legitimately be bought in an ISA. The other is where the ISA provider doesn't support that type of investment - for example, an ISA provider might support investments in unit trusts but not in shares: in that case, the solution is to transfer the ISA to a provider who does support the type of investment you want. (And note that you need to do the transfer properly: don't try to do it by withdrawing everything from provider A and then trying to hand it all over to provider B. Instead, you've got to ask the two providers to do the transfer and leave them to actually move everything across.) Gengulphus
gengulphus
10/6/2015
19:34
sorry Gengulphus- it was me that sent you the message.I was not aware of your preference for posting on the thread.Apologize not trying to confuse CGT with ISA but if i was to make more than the cgt amount in a ISA and i decide to move all or part of the proceeds back into my bank account is there still any potential tax liability? so the gains come out of the ISA ,is it still classed as outside of cgt or any other potential tax liabilites? sorry if it's a silly question but a couple people have suggested to me that once the money is actually withdrawn its subject to tax so I'm confused,maybe you can set me straight as to if there's any tax liabilities if your putting the money (profits) into your bank account surely that defeats the purpose of having a ISA account. Addressing this question to anyone who can help, Tia. Ps btw really helpful and great thread, think we all appreciate the time both you and David spend.
sos100
10/6/2015
13:24
To the person who contacted me by ADVFN "private message": please use these bulletin boards instead of such messages to ask me about CGT. Sorry, but I'm simply not willing to do such stuff privately, partly because only one person benefits that way rather than potentially every reader of the board, partly because if I make a mistake, there's a better chance that someone will catch and correct it. (I'm posting this reply to both CGT boards, by the way, as I don't know which board they came from. And I'm deliberately not identifying the person concerned - I see no reason to 'name and shame' someone about ignoring a strong preference they probably didn't know I have!) The answer to your question is basically that everything that happens inside an ISA is completely invisible to CGT. List all your trades outside the ISA (I'm assuming you don't have shares in any other tax shelters, such as SIPPs - if you do, take "outside the ISA" to mean "outside the ISA or any other tax shelter") and do your CGT calculations on them; don't even bother listing the trades inside the ISA. In particular, if you have shares in the same company both inside and outside the ISA, only list and perform calculations on the shares outside the ISA - ignore the ones inside it. I say "basically" above because there are a few awkward cases: * It is possible to transfer shares out of an ISA. If you do that, your ISA manager is supposed to tell you the value of the shares on the date of the transfer: you then treat them for CGT purposes as though you bought them at that value on the date of the transfer. (If your ISA manager doesn't tell you that information, ask them!) * In rare circumstances, to do with shares obtained from some types of employee share scheme, it is possible to transfer shares into an ISA. I am not certain just what the CGT treatment is in that case - so if it applies, ask the scheme manager. * There is also the recent change that someone whose spouse or civil partner dies gets an additional ISA allowance equal to the value of their ISAs on death. I've seen indications that in some circumstances, it's acceptable for the holdings in the deceased's ISAs to be transferred directly into ISAs belonging to their partner. Technically, that probably involves a transfer of the holdings from outside an ISA to inside one, as the general rule is that ISAs cease to be ISAs on the date of death... I'm afraid I don't know the CGT treatment in that case either - a question to ask when going through the admin of getting the extra ISA allowance, I suspect. * Otherwise, all supposed 'transfers' into ISAs are not in fact transfers at all, but 'bed and ISA' packages of three transactions: a sale of the holding outside the ISA, a cash subscription to the ISA, and a repurchase of the holding inside the ISA (probably slightly reduced by the trading costs). Dealing with their CGT is simply a matter of applying the general rule: pay attention to the sale outside the ISA, ignore the repurchase inside the ISA (and ignore the cash ISA subscription - such subscriptions never have any CGT consequences). Gengulphus
gengulphus
10/6/2015
13:24
To the person who contacted me by ADVFN "private message": please use these bulletin boards instead of such messages to ask me about CGT. Sorry, but I'm simply not willing to do such stuff privately, partly because only one person benefits that way rather than potentially every reader of the board, partly because if I make a mistake, there's a better chance that someone will catch and correct it. (I'm posting this reply to both CGT boards, by the way, as I don't know which board they came from. And I'm deliberately not identifying the person concerned - I see no reason to 'name and shame' someone about ignoring a strong preference they probably didn't know I have!) The answer to your question is basically that everything that happens inside an ISA is completely invisible to CGT. List all your trades outside the ISA (I'm assuming you don't have shares in any other tax shelters, such as SIPPs - if you do, take "outside the ISA" to mean "outside the ISA or any other tax shelter") and do your CGT calculations on them; don't even bother listing the trades inside the ISA. In particular, if you have shares in the same company both inside and outside the ISA, only list and perform calculations on the shares outside the ISA - ignore the ones inside it. I say "basically" above because there are a few awkward cases: * It is possible to transfer shares out of an ISA. If you do that, your ISA manager is supposed to tell you the value of the shares on the date of the transfer: you then treat them for CGT purposes as though you bought them at that value on the date of the transfer. (If your ISA manager doesn't tell you that information, ask them!) * In rare circumstances, to do with shares obtained from some types of employee share scheme, it is possible to transfer shares into an ISA. I am not certain just what the CGT treatment is in that case - so if it applies, ask the scheme manager. * There is also the recent change that someone whose spouse or civil partner dies gets an additional ISA allowance equal to the value of their ISAs on death. I've seen indications that in some circumstances, it's acceptable for the holdings in the deceased's ISAs to be transferred directly into ISAs belonging to their partner. Technically, that probably involves a transfer of the holdings from outside an ISA to inside one, as the general rule is that ISAs cease to be ISAs on the date of death... I'm afraid I don't know the CGT treatment in that case either - a question to ask when going through the admin of getting the extra ISA allowance, I suspect. * Otherwise, all supposed 'transfers' into ISAs are not in fact transfers at all, but 'bed and ISA' packages of three transactions: a sale of the holding outside the ISA, a cash subscription to the ISA, and a repurchase of the holding inside the ISA (probably slightly reduced by the trading costs). Dealing with their CGT is simply a matter of applying the general rule: pay attention to the sale outside the ISA, ignore the repurchase inside the ISA (and ignore the cash ISA subscription - such subscriptions never have any CGT consequences). Gengulphus
gengulphus
07/6/2015
13:27
So annual report out. They did, in my view, rather stupidly blow their 29 year dividend record last year - crazy imho - this year it's bounced back to 20p from 16p. It will take them another 30 years to get the record back again - what stupidity! Anyway, results steady. Long term a safe share to have in your portfolio. Overall, I'm not convinced by their comment "The reason the portfolio contains such high levels of cash and short duration assets is to ensure dry powder for deployment when values are better." Fair point indeed....but, there is no real evidence that they switched to equities in 2009 which was a great buying opportunity. Will they do it next time or are they just too cautious for their own good. Looks like they are moving to a zero discount policy which should aid liquidity and increase the size of the trust. On balance, I think this is a good move. Certainly happy to hold in my portfolio like Personal Assets as it's good to see what they are doing. I particularly like to look at their investment trust, zero dividend preference shares and fixed interest portfolio for insight into opportunities.
topvest
04/5/2015
09:06
Tarny I think you will find the gain/loss would have been accrued in the tax year you transferred the shares into your ISA, from that year on no further gain/losses can be attributed to CGT calculations
steptoe57
03/5/2015
23:02
Thanks for that much appreciated! BTW...it was a Bed-and-ISA
tarny
03/5/2015
12:30
Tarny, Just to explain david77's answer a bit more: * You almost certainly didn't transfer the shares into your ISA two years ago, but 'bed-and-ISA' them - that is, sell them outside the ISA, transfer the cash in as an ISA subscription, and then use the cash inside the ISA to buy the shares again. The reason I say that is simply that transferring shares into an ISA isn't allowed by the ISA regulations, except in some very limited circumstances to do with some employee share schemes (and the timescales you indicate don't fit those limited circumstances). * Your broker may well have offered the bed-and-ISA as though it were a single transaction, but if so, that's just a package deal offered by the broker. As far as tax is concerned, it's the three separate transactions: sell outside ISA, ISA subscription, buy inside ISA. * Purchases and sales outside an ISA (and also outside any other tax shelter) are subject to CGT - so the 'sell outside ISA' part of the bed-and-ISA will have matched purchases you made outside the ISA. That will have realised a gain or a loss at the time you did the bed-and-ISA, i.e. two years ago. (Or in some fairly unlikely circumstances, it could even have realised more than one gain and/or loss.) * Purchases and sales inside an ISA (or inside another tax shelter) are exempt from CGT, which means that they basically don't feature at all in the CGT calculation: they don't get matched to each other or to any other purchases and sales, no gains or losses are calculated on them, etc, etc, etc. So the 'buy inside ISA' part of the bed-and-ISA and the fact that they've now gone into administration don't feature at all in your CGT calculations - you would probably like them to, but ISAs are completely exempt from CGT and that applies to both gains and losses. The net result is that you certainly cannot claim the loss between the value of the shares when the bed-and-ISA was done and their value now - but you might be able to claim a loss between what you originally bought the shares for and their value when the bed-and-ISA was done (specifically, what the 'sell outside ISA' part of the bed-and-ISA sold them for), if that was actually a loss and you haven't already claimed it. If so, whether the extra loss back then actually saves you any CGT (and if so, which years it saves you CGT in) is worked out by the standard rules for offsetting losses against gains and carrying losses forward, starting in the year in which it was realised (so it isn't automatically usable in 2014/2015 - it might get carried forward partially or completely until then, but equally, it might not). Equally, if the difference between the original purchase price and what the 'sell outside ISA' part of the bed-and-ISA sold them for was a gain, and you were supposed to tell the taxman about it but didn't because you didn't realise there was such a gain, you need to own up to the mistake. Gengulphus
gengulphus
03/5/2015
07:45
Hi could someone please help....I have held shares in a company for around 10 years and transferred them into my ISA two years ago. They have now been suspended as its in Administration. Could I offset my CGT for 2014-2015 against this loss? TIA
tarny
03/5/2015
07:45
Hi could someone please help....I have held shares in a company for around 10 years and transferred them into my ISA two years ago. They have now been suspended as its in Administration. Could I offset my CGT for 2014-2015 against this loss? TIA
tarny
01/5/2015
15:44
Thanks David. I've tried a more complicated set of trades on both versions and each version produces exactly the same result.
sleveen
01/5/2015
11:31
I've updated my CGT prog - it's now at option 2 on www.stonebanks.co.uk I have put the earlier version as option 3 just in case. The earlier version does same day deals, then buys within 30 days of a sale, then does the rest. The later version does everything in date order but still obeys the rules. Both versions give similar results for my last year's list of deals and for sleveen's sample data at #845.
david77
27/4/2015
16:45
Interesting Sleveen - the earlier version hTTp://homepage.ntlworld.com/stonebanks/0809tax31.htm gives the right result. I've put the earlier version back on the website. I will have a look at the prog.
david77
27/4/2015
16:02
Hi David There seem to be an issue with your CGT calculator. The transactions below are matched and therefore there should be no shares held after each transaction. However your calculator states I have a 50k share holding remaining. It seems to be adding the 20k and 30k purchases together. Please would you have a look. TIA. CAZA 23/04/14, b, 50000, 10.29, 5150.95 26/04/14, s, 50000, 11.0251, 5506.60 18/09/14, b, 20000, 19.25, 3855.95 18/09/14, s, 20000, 20.81, 4156.05 18/12/14, b, 30000, 8.7, 2615.95 18/12/14, s, 30000, 8.17, 2445.05
sleveen
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