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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Benchmark Holdings LSE:BMK London Ordinary Share GB00BGHPT808 ORD 0.1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.00p +0.00% 46.50p 45.00p 48.00p 46.50p 46.50p 46.50p 1,343,370 08:00:00
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology 151.5 -13.7 -0.9 - 259.46

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outsize - you're right, & I'm happy I didn't "revisit this old girlfriend", deciding to wait rather than buy last Jan or so. BMK needs some hard headed business peeps to make the assets sweat and produce decent ebitda at last... For now it's a biz. for scientific boffins and romantics. As for today's price action......OUCH!
napoleon 14th
And if it's being amortised through the P&L, but there's little ACTUAL, POSITIVE cash flow being generated ???
Importance of goodwill simply reflects whether a business is capital intensive or not. If you buy a business with low capital intensity because it's a service business, or the value is in the brand, then you have to pay a load of goodwill. This then has to be amortised through the P@L over time, but you add it back when considering cash flow.
btw, the chart says that if 50p does not hold on an "end of week", it's very clear air down to 38p with little or no support. If 50p does manage to hold for a week, the immediate upside target becomes 60p
My view on the treatment of balance sheet goodwill appears to be different to ilovefrogs and edwardt. In my opinion, if you buy a business for CASH that includes a lot of goodwill in the transaction, and then write off that goodwill, it shows that you paid too much in the first place. Even if it afterwards becomes a "balance sheet exercise" that "does not affect the Company's actual cash" the Company has the debt incurred with the initial purchase, and carried, that has to be repaid with interest. Having written off £18m, it begs the questions "how much more is to write off?" and "how big a blunder did you make?" Basically, having to write off goodwill at all means, to me, management have overpaid for the goodwill they bought, as it's now obviously not worth the amount they paid.
fair enough but last time i looked return on capital employed is only 2% for bmk it should be near 20 to 25%. Mgmt have had too supportive a share register - tick tock -time to work hard what you got or risk getting the slot would be my message to the board!
Goodwill is just accounting. It doesn't affect cashflow which is ultimately what drives dividends. Most companies provide adjusted profits which strip out goodwill quite rightly. After all, if you're in a low capital intensity business and acquisitive, you always have goodwill on the balance sheet as the tangible assets of any purchase are negligible. I certainly wouldn't focus on this for benchmark.
Well someone likes the stock enough to buy around £400,000 worth of shares.
murdo mcsponge
Thanks very much Outsize. A really valuable comment which I will RML&ID "read, mark, learn and inwardly digest". It's an extremely constructive post of which there are all too few on these boards. Thank you again. Murdo
murdo mcsponge
Hi Murdo. I see potentially revolutionary technologies, but unless you can build immediate increases in revenue of large magnitude, buying "goodwill" which has to be written off at over 10% p.a. of turnover ( £18m vs £151m ) to me shows that "you can buy gold too dear" and that perhaps they have greatly overpaid for potential that their sales teams have so far not delivered. Depreciation I also find high relative to turnover. As for how I would have got them to where they are at - Maybe a bigger effort in selling what they already had, rather than loading up with debt running ahead of themselves to get new stuff when their existing product sales aren't making free cash flow. It will be interesting to see how much sales have increased now that the new sea-lice free salmon are available. If I did not see 25%-30% (£200m-£230m) revenue next year, WITHOUT an increase in cost of sales, I would, if I were an existing shareholder rather than a potential shareholder, question the ability of their sales team.
Outsize, I would also point out that aquaculture has proven,over many many years, to be EXTREMELY high risk on the biological front(and on other fronts as well!). The only way to manage these risks is to develop apropriate technologies, which is why I think the high level of investment they are putting in, is fully justified and will pay off bigtime.
murdo mcsponge
Thanks outsize. You point out things that financial in-experts like me fail to see. However, I know the aquaculture industry pretty well from a risk management point of view, and from that aspect I see a Company that is making all the right moves to hit on the head a lot of problems (particularly lice in Salmon, which has cost the industry millions and millions, not to mention shrimp diseases, which are as economically disastrous as S lice.). I believe BMK are uniquely set up to fulfil/meet the risk management role/needs aquaculture requires. The industry is expanding very fast and needs what they've got - in spades. To meet what the industry wants and needs, I think they have to pursue the course they have adopted - spend hard to get the right products, people, and services. I guess the gamble is whether sales and profit margins will justify the risk. In my view they will, so I look for accelerated growth in revenue and profits. I respect your critical comments from a financial viewpoint, but I sometimes wonder if many successful businesses would ever have got off the ground without taking big risks - which analysis like yours highlight. Surely, that's what business building is all about. The question I would like to ask you is this: How would you have got to where BMK is, but avoiding what you see as the shortcomings in their balance sheet?
murdo mcsponge
I think it's perfectly visible, but that would be investors are looking at what the accounts actually say. Greatly increased debt to a third of revenue, £9m operating loss, a huge "goodwill" value stuck in the middle of the Intangibles, increased depreciation, and running to the bank for $20m extra borrowing headroom. All this with revenue only rising 8%. Breakeven is ages away. Net profit even farther away. Dividends? - possibly in 10 years time. You are more likely to see a fund-raising to cut debt before that, especially if we have another "bad shrimp year". And that's what the "City money men" are seeing. As a reminder:- ----------------------------------------- ------- ------- Revenue 151.5 140.2 Cost of sales (77.5) (77.8) ----------------------------------------- ------- ------- Gross profit 74.0 62.4 Research and development costs (12.0) (13.1) Other operating costs (44.6) (39.2) Depreciation (6.8) (4.9) Amortisation of capitalised development - - costs Share of profit of equity-accounted investees, net of tax (0.4) 0.0 Adjusted Operating Profit 10.2 5.2 ----------------------------------------- ------- ------- Exceptional including acquisition related items (1.2) 5.6 Amortisation of intangible assets excluding development costs (18.1) (18.4) ----------------------------------------- ------- ------- Operating Loss (9.1) (7.6) ----------------------------------------- ------- ------- Net debt 2018 2017 GBPm GBPm --------------------------- ------- ------- Cash and cash equivalents 24.1 18.8 --------------------------- ------- ------- Bank borrowings and other loans - current (0.9) (6.0) Obligations under finance leases - current - (0.2) --------------------------- ------- ------- (0.9) (6.2) --------------------------- ------- ------- Bank borrowings and other loans - non-current (78.9) (36.5) Net debt 55.7 23.9 --------------------------- ------- -------
Unfortunately tinman, I think you are absolutely spot on. I guess Ferd will bid for the Company at some point, and the main shareholders will throw in the towel, and another British business will get sold off by the City "money men" who, as we all know, would sell ther own daughters if the price was right.
murdo mcsponge
Agree with Murdo, BMK unloved by retail investors due to 'invisibility' My prediction is the Norwegians will take it private..
Edmonds. The trouble with BMK is that nobody knows about it. In my opinion it's a terrific, and unique, Company,which is doing all the right things, in an industry that is one of the fastest growing "agri" markets in the World. Its stock oprice should be far higher IMHO.
murdo mcsponge
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Sorry Ilovefrogs, I don't yunderstand. Why would anyone build a holding in a Company just because somebody else wants to sell?
murdo mcsponge
Murdo - it's only building the stake because Woodford wanted to sell.
the share price has done nothing much since February.... At least it hasn't tanked like some of my other stocks!
It's strange that the share price is dropping at the same time as an organisation is building a substantial holding in the Company.
murdo mcsponge
Cross trades, funny how they always list the buyer first not the seller! It's almost like they let the seller leave the scene of the crime.
As suspected, the seller was Woodford. What a complete mess of things he's made since leaving INVESCO - nob!!
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