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28/5/2001
09:24
liitle tyke, no butcher has ever got cjd thing, so you must be in a LOW risk group? I agree evidence that vCJD comes through the accepted route is only what they can call 'most likely guess', therefore I would not worry. I reckon it doesn't come from cattle at all. The french ate far more of our 'high risk' cattle than we evr did, with a far lower incidence of vCJD, which strikes me as pretty conclusive. As for the milk business, it just sounds like more of the nonsense designed to put people off our farm produce, close down the industry. As for giving Tony Blair credit for getting things going on FMD, can we also give him credit that when he said the whole business should be played down, was under control, no need for army to get involved etc, then very little happened, army were not used etc. Good to know someones in charge!
hilda
28/5/2001
08:30
LIttle Tyke - nice to see you have a phd; I only got as far as a 1st myself. I'm not sure what's more worrying; BSE in the water supply, or the fact that it wasn't reported in the news... IMHO.
peterreidsmith
26/5/2001
11:20
MY GOD!!! I really wish I had never opened up this thread. We live in a land where faceless nameless blunderers are ruining our lives and the sad fact is, the ones responsible will never pay foe their mistakes. A labour motto I think. peterreidsmith, you talk much sense.
a.fewbob
25/5/2001
23:22
BSE caused by tory blunders!
little tyke
25/5/2001
23:18
http://www.advfn.com/cmn/news/newsmona.php?article=1313834&epic= " LONDON (AFX) - The government's top BSE adviser has warned of the dangers of drinking tap water near foot-and-mouth burial sites, the BBC reported. Professor Peter Smith estimates the risk of developing the human form of BSE, known as CJD, through contaminated water could be as high as one in 200,000, in burial pits where older cattle have not first been incinerated, the Express newspaper also reported. ims/shw " Good old Labour, huh -as usual they really thought that one through. Never mind the dioxide risk which is enough for the Dutch not to even consider open-air burning, but they didn't even stop to consider the BSE implications on the water table. VOTE THESE GUYS OUT. IMHO.
peterreidsmith
25/5/2001
17:24
Reports on evening news of problems with diary milk produced near to foot and mouth burial sites being contaminated with dioxins!
superpete
25/5/2001
17:07
Little tyke, what are the initial symptoms apart from shakin, are there any mental manifestations such as radical toryism, tunnel vision,. frothing etc,? if so i think i may have just had some sufferers at my door asking futilely for help.
spongy2
25/5/2001
13:41
Did anyone see that TV programme a few months back about this farmer-turned-researcher who had been confronting the government scientists and their BSE theories? He started out on the organophosphate route but had then found from his studies in BSE-affected areas around the world (and including in Queneborough, Leics, where we have had a cluster of cases) what looked like pretty conclusive evidence of BSE proliferation in areas of high manganese mineralisation in the soil accompanied by (I think it was from memory) low levels of copper. It has taken him years to get anyone to listen and he has had his research sabotaged and his farm damaged along the way (by whom, I wonder?), but he now seems to have found a growing following amongst more open-minded scientists who are taking his research seriously.
gurlywurly
25/5/2001
13:41
spongy2: it's an interesting philosphical question, you are right: is it better to be content in your delusion or face the horror of reality. Lucky I don't have to worry about unemployment. [On the farmer thingy yes: what he finally uncovered was that copper defiency -and in particular in high areas of manganese - causes significantly greater risk/suseptibility. Maganese...hmmm...like in mineral water and vegetables etc.] Forget pension contributions and school fees - you might as well start spending. IMHO.
peterreidsmith
25/5/2001
13:35
prs, Just as well you did'nt you'd still be unemployed..heh!
spongy2
25/5/2001
13:29
There is an incredible theory which the mad economists have called property rights [Coase 1960]....this geezer said we can sue polluters.A few test cases here or there might concentrate the govs mind.Beer producers?Fizzy pop producers?The possibilities are endless.
mr.elbee
25/5/2001
12:42
Mr. Elbee - sad int it. I almost stood at the last election you know...then I thought: naw.
peterreidsmith
25/5/2001
12:36
prs.....you're right but flogging a dead horse.The public are irredeemably stupid.We're doomed.
mr.elbee
25/5/2001
12:32
OK, then forget it: eat, drink and be mad. Lose every following generation of your family. Ignore the fact that this will hardly be reported in the press (new labour control them too much) or discredited, and simply do nothing. It must all seem so easy to them: a little TV; a little SUN headline; a few sound-bites repeated ad-nausium. Oh well.
peterreidsmith
25/5/2001
12:26
small cow - I know about a lot of the science and views on the final report; I was just explaining how the conservatives came to make their mistakes. Easy to see in hindsight, less obvious at the time when you appear to have a whole economy to consider. However, my point was that there is no such excuse for what has happened now.
peterreidsmith
25/5/2001
12:25
I suspect that had the Tories been in power when F/M arrived they would just have denied the whole thing, after all it does'nt affect humans, and is no worse than a common cold as far as the animals are concerned. Then one day the BBC would announce that there are a lot of unexplained new cases of BSE in humans, which the Tories would claim was imported from whichever country is currently out of favour, (probably chinese immigrants, bringing their dead relatives into the country, thru the channel tunnel.) or some such far fetched delusion.
i rely on balls
25/5/2001
12:22
Indieman - the link is at the top... [The worry is about contamination by BSE agent (prion..indestructable protein) not he F/M virus.] This is catatrophically bad....unbelievable stupid...incredibly dumn...fantastically irresponsible.
peterreidsmith
25/5/2001
12:17
Peter, I agree, this is really serious. The trouble is that this government, and the last, relied on "best advice" from experts. After that they looked at the financial implications, and that probably has resulted in some very bad decisions being made. Labour appear to have handled F & M very badly, Tories handled BSE very badly IMHO. If monetary implications were not a part of the decision making process, maybe the correct actions would have been taken at the time. Andy.
ahkeen
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