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[wad collector] 18/7/2018 10:46

Radio 4 had an article this morning with a lady protesting that Farnborough was encouraging young people to join arms industry companies.
Presumably she wishes to be defended by old men with obsolete weapons . Or probably doesn't believe the World has threats...

[wad collector] 17/7/2018 23:48

Agree , resurrecting old aircraft names is the sort of unimaginative act you would expect from a more Senior Service...

[cmackay] 17/7/2018 14:36

Bae systems at Farnborough live on sky news at 18:30 today

[fangorn2] 17/7/2018 10:59

UK unveils next generation fighter jet at Farnborough Airshow

[fangorn2] 17/7/2018 09:58

Tempest will be successor to BAE's Typhoon

Mr Williamson said: “Our vision is for the UK to remain at the leading edge of Combat Air system development to protect our people, project influence and promote our prosperity.

“To do this the Ministry of Defence and industry must build on success, rapidly change our approach and work together to achieve common goals.

“We must develop more capability, more quickly, for less.





New fighter jet project will boost Lancashire




Typhoon export orders take off as UK government unveils new jet

Charles Woodburn, BAE's chief executive, told BBC Radio on Monday that export orders for the Typhoon jet were as good as the had been for "quite some time", with demand principally coming from the Middle East and Europe.

"We have a number of export campaigns in play," said Woodburn.

"I think now the outlook for Typhoon export orders is as good now as it's been for quite some time, both in our very important Middle East customers but also within Europe," he added.







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BAE Systems, Vodafone and CyLon launch collaborative security taskforce The Intelligence Network

[ribblewader] 17/7/2018 07:54

Losos, I agree and sadly suspect that historic repeats are highly likely

[losos] 16/7/2018 19:35

RibbleWader - Not too worried about the names, more worried about the TSR2/MRA4 scenario which I remember only too well.

One might have hoped that the politicians, civil servants, MoD personal, and all the other 'interested parties' had learned from these two sagas. They ought to have done all the calculations and now, in year 2018, they should have got it right.

But the older I get the more I see history repeating itself, no one ever seems to learn!!!

[ribblewader] 16/7/2018 10:02

Is it just me or does it appear that a lack of thought is currently given to aircraft names. Typhoon, Lightning, Tempest were all WW2 fighters, bring back the good old days when we named them Nimrod, Vulcan, Valient, Shackleton etc

[chiefbrody] 16/7/2018 09:08

Aye, just about a new all time high. HY results in 2 weeks. 700p anyone :-)

[bluemango] 16/7/2018 08:53

16 July 2018


BAE Systems will, this week, be participating in the Farnborough International Air Show. It is anticipated that such participation will include meeting with representatives from the investment community. No inside information will be provided at any such meetings.

[bluemango] 16/7/2018 08:47

New highs 😀

[fangorn2] 15/7/2018 12:28

Jobs boost as MoD plan for British fighter jet takes off

Ministers are set to unveil plans to build a new fighter jet tomorrow — in a move that will sustain thousands of jobs and continue more than a century of combat aircraft manufacturing.

The commitment to develop a sixth-generation manned fighter is expected to be the highlight of defence secretary Gavin Williamson’s Combat Air Strategy, a blueprint for sustaining military aerospace design and manufacturing skills.

The pledge will provide a boost for the defence industry on the first day of the Farnborough air show, which will be opened by Theresa May. Bosses have long argued that Britain must commit to a new fighter jet or risk losing a crucial industry.

The move will sustain thousands of jobs in Lancashire, where BAE Systems builds the Eurofighter…

[fangorn2] 12/7/2018 09:56

Missed from yesterday....

Looks as if lucrative contracts are in the offing as US ramps up Defence spending.



"BAE Howitzer Production Flawed as Army Readies $1.3 Billion Buy"
Full-rate production of new weapon may be approved by Army
Poor welding and delivery delays cited by contract agency

BAE Systems Plc’s manufacture of the U.S. Army’s new howitzer is hobbled by poor welding, supply chain problems and delivery delays even as the service nears a $1.3 billion decision on full production, according to the Pentagon’s contract management agency. Among the setbacks have been a six-month halt in deliveries last year because of welding flaws and the return of 50 of 86 vehicles that had already been delivered due to repair production deficiencies.

The Army eventually wants to buy 576 howitzers and ammunition carriers in an $8.1 billion program.

BAE’s factory quality is a priority for the Army because it wants to increase production through 2023, not only for the howitzer system but also the other major vehicles BAE builds: the Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and the M88A2 tank recovery vehicle. The Army plans to surge production of the Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle for deployment to Europe as part of the U.S.’s deterrence buildup against Russia.

[fangorn2] 12/7/2018 09:54

"Criteria? well, let's see .... my guess would be Politics, market they could bring, funding, POLITICS, work-share, prime or sub-tier, POLITICS, et al."

So not that it works or is superior to what is currently on offer/in production!
Surely the most important consideration?

I see you continue to avoid answering who has most advanced fighter if it isnt the French.

What was the point of your interjection on such a point then?

[squidsgone] 12/7/2018 09:44

"Surely working on the most advanced fighter the world has seen is the best starting place from which to work further".

It isn't, the F22 is ... and my point is that Bae are a component supplier only, not a prime systems integrator. If all they retain is the ability to supply components/assemblies then ergo that is all they will be able to undertake in the future, and the UK loses a Sovereign capability.

"If French can do it solo, surely we Brits can no? Perhaps better to work with say Japanese/Koreans, or Swedes / Aussies to spread the costs tho".

I agree, but I would guess that the Brits cannot afford that, and a single funding source in our turbulent economic and political environment sounds like a shaky footing to me.

Criteria? well, let's see .... my guess would be Politics, market they could bring, funding, POLITICS, work-share, prime or sub-tier, POLITICS, et al.

I wonder what RIAT and FIAS will bring? ... let's watch the show unfold from there.

[fangorn2] 11/7/2018 20:09

@Squid

"And? ... looks like a specific message of what Bae actually do (and therefore what they don't do) knowing that the UK Govt were working on a Combat Air Strategy, see my earlier posts"

Surely working on the most advanced fighter the world has seen is the best starting place from which to work further.

If French can do it solo, surely we Brits can no? Perhaps better to work with say Japanese/Koreans, or Swedes / Aussies to spread the costs tho

"Per your question of "most advanced in Europe", that is probably subjective and therefore couldn't say with any certainty."

I claimed outside of UK, it was the French

You said it wasn't the French - so who is it then!!!

Stop farting about. Why comment as you did then if you dont think it is someone else?

"What is best for Bae and the RAF will need consideration against a number of criteria"

And that criteria would be?

[squidsgone] 11/7/2018 18:34

And agree, plenty of people to potentially partner with, not just those with Fx programmes of record either (S Korea, Japan, Turkey).Per your question of "most advanced in Europe", that is probably subjective and therefore couldn't say with any certainty. What is best for Bae and the RAF will need consideration against a number of criteria.

[squidsgone] 11/7/2018 18:29

And? ... looks like a specific message of what Bae actually do (and therefore what they don't do) knowing that the UK Govt were working on a Combat Air Strategy, see my earlier posts.

[ribblewader] 11/7/2018 16:46

Not sure about UK Govt but BAE are the sales agents for Typhoon in that part of the world, so should not really be an issue. Hawk was not won for India without a lot of too'ing and fro'ing regarding support package

[fangorn2] 11/7/2018 15:08

"Can I point you to the specific quote from Chris Boardman within it, "The company is producing the rear fuselages and tails for the 3,000-plus of the stealth [F35] fighters that are expected to be ordered"."

And?

More pertintently this is the interesting part

Most observers have assumed that partnership is mandatory, for both cost and political reasons. The Typhoon is a four-nation partnership, and the Tornado that preceded it was three-nation. But the French have produced the Rafale on their own. And, as Boardman noted, the UK has developed and flown the Taranis UCAV on its own. “We are capable, and I would like us to take some leadership as a nation,” he said.

Plenty of people to partner with - doesnt have to be France or a European partner.
Japanese, Koreans,Swedes,Americans.All of them.

You never answered my previous question btw

With respect to my comment

"Don't see anyone clambering over themselves to jointly develop the next generation aircraft with the Germans either! Or the Spanish! Or the Italians! Or Greeks
It's the French who have the most advanced fighter aircraft programme"

You replied
"Actually, it isn’t the French"

Who is it then that has the most advanced fighter programme in Europe then?
For the parameters clearly are 1) Europe 2) Someone we could partner with
ie Not Russia

TIA

[squidsgone] 11/7/2018 13:38

Fan - thanks for posting the article.

Can I point you to the specific quote from Chris Boardman within it, "The company is producing the rear fuselages and tails for the 3,000-plus of the stealth [F35] fighters that are expected to be ordered".

The CA Strategy is a big decision for the UK Govt and Military, and will likely have huge and ongoing repercussions for the UK on the world stage.

[squidsgone] 11/7/2018 13:26

I wonder how much patience Bae and the UK Govt have with India after that.

[ribblewader] 11/7/2018 13:21

Yes Squid, I believe it is.