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[ribblewader] 16/5/2018 20:55

Can lead a horse to water.....

[fangorn2] 16/5/2018 19:36

So that's a you have no evidence to back up your leadership claim then...

"That EU and USA are keen to use tech which has been developed by UK for Galileo clearly identifies it as being superior to what is currently available."

Not necessarily true nor does the BBC article you linked evidence your inital claim

"I also include future propulsion systems, communications and materials (Nanotechnologies)as "leading". I am sure you are familier with these initiatives. DYOR and see what you find."

As to propulsion - Chinese and Russians lead there fyi!

Is this an attempt to divert by chucking in a load of big words btw? Because that is what it seems like.

Recall your claim
By way, we with European partners are world leader in UAV


We were talking U A V's - where does it say US is keen to use EU UAV technology exactly???

Where is your evidence EU has leadership in UAVs???


"DYOR and see what you find"
Better things to do frankly
Was genuinely interested at your claim.

Poor show on your part frankly.

[ribblewader] 16/5/2018 18:06

Fangorn,
That EU and USA are keen to use tech which has been developed by UK for Galileo clearly identifies it as being superior to what is currently available. That this has/is being deployed in a network which is yet to be completed but has international users queing to us it speeks volumns.
This is the type of tech I refer to and yes it is linked to UAV and other uses. I also include future propulsion systems, communications and materials (Nanotechnologies)as "leading". I am sure you are familier with these initiatives. DYOR and see what you find.

[fangorn2] 16/5/2018 16:52

Really?

What makes you think the BBC article evidences your claim EU & "UAV leaders"

I can't see any evidence of such in the article at all

It isn't even in operation

Such a move could slow the development of Galileo - which is not yet complete - and increase its costs.

Not yet complete! How can it be a leader? Don't you have any meat to back up your leader claim? I'm genuinely interested to see how capable this Galileo system is (or it seems is meant to be once up running)

USA/Israel have one fully operational - ditto Russians/Chinese.
EU has what?

I know UK is key to Galileo thanks hence my initial remarks!!!!

[ribblewader] 16/5/2018 12:20

I think the BBC article expresses what I refer to, its also key for UAV's

[fangorn2] 16/5/2018 10:48

Anything on their "leadership" then?

Am genuinely interested as Galileo, GPS and whatever the Russia/Chinese equiv system is will determine efficacy of the new defence platforms making their imminent debuts.
See Hypersonic missiles and space orientated systems.

Chaars

[ribblewader] 16/5/2018 09:19

Bit of news regarding Galileo use and UK potential lock out....

[ribblewader] 16/5/2018 08:41

Fangorn, I dont think I said dominance but I did say leaders, with EU partners. Of course there are others in the field and both Israel and USA are up there as well. Our specialisations are what counts not necessarily complete assemblies.

[dafrog] 16/5/2018 07:50

Ascension Island also and other facilities near equator also.

[dafrog] 16/5/2018 07:12

Fanghorn.

"Galileo isn't viable without British involvement.And they know it. There is also the matter of the substantial ££'s we've paid in so we'd be wanting that back"

Had some limited involvement with this years ago. Our input was unique and extensive. Got firm impression much more to it than gps. Think EU need certain ground station assets we have. Don't think May will ask for money back, she gives it away freely, a true appeaser. Expect EU are planning to introduce road pricing EU wide as a substantial money stream for them.

[fangorn2] 15/5/2018 22:33

ccraig6915 May '18 - 18:12 - 1057 of 1058
No we are not leaders in UAV. Just internal senior management rhetoric. Israel usa are much further along."

That was my suspicion so keen to see Ribble's evidence of EU dominance in this field?
Who are the EU defence companies pushing this?

Thales?Safran? Finmeccanica?

[ribblewader] 15/5/2018 22:26

Interesting comment ccraigie, I have nothing to do with management rhetoric. Just experience of the subject

[ccraig69] 15/5/2018 18:12

No we are not leaders in UAV. Just internal senior management rhetoric. Israel usa are much further along.

[fangorn2] 15/5/2018 18:04

@Ribble,

Do you have a link to the reasons behind the F35 problems..I thought it was going reasonably well now, planes being tested off aircraft carrier etc.

World leader in UAV are the EU? Wasnt aware.
Any info to peruse please.

BAE Systems is heavily involved in US markets and it seems that North Americas far more our friends/way of thinking than Europe ever has been - hence my position.

I'm looking forward to a CANZUK FTA with FOM :)

[ribblewader] 15/5/2018 16:24

Cannot agree entirely though Fangorn. Good old USA are paranoid on anything that they consider ITAR, be that data or physical. They will rob us of all our leading/cutting edge tech but refuse to share reliability data for basic F35 parts. Which is ONE of the reasons they are so far behind on production and, IMO will never get the reliability for it they are aiming for, i am already seeing reliability sacrifice. By way, we with European partners are world leader in UAV!

[lithological heterogeneities] 15/5/2018 14:28

Excellent post Fangom.

[fangorn2] 15/5/2018 13:01

@Shalder

"There are already moves to freeze the UK out of European projects: Galileo, the future combat aircraft, and UAV projects. What for example is going to happen to the Anglo/French accord on combat drones?"

Galileo isn't viable without British involvement.And they know it. There is also the matter of the substantial ££'s we've paid in so we'd be wanting that back

It's all about EU positioning for requesting "money for access" going forward.
(They need as much money as possible so will be looking for every opportunity to screw us)

As to "Future combat aircraft" - so what.We'd be better linking with USA who are technologically at least 15-20 years ahead on fighter aircraft front.

Eurofighter and Tornado both subject to excessive overruns and delays - and its's not as if they're state of the art.

UAV drones..Bound to be better allies to link with pursuing this tech - Israel for example/USA.

"What for example is going to happen to the Anglo/French accord on combat drones?"

Who cares. We want to avoid any avenues that lead to UK getting sucked into another European Continental war given how ungrateful they've all been

"And we haven't even left yet..."

Indeed - sooner we leave the better.

Trade with EU, fine.

Any other alliance, deal, treaty, political subservience et al needs to be consigned to the bin.

[shalder] 15/5/2018 09:47

I speak in jest of course, but there are real issues for BA. with the EU & Brexit.

There are already moves to freeze the UK out of European projects: Galileo, the future combat aircraft, and UAV projects. What for example is going to happen to the Anglo/French accord on combat drones? And we haven't even left yet...

[lithological heterogeneities] 15/5/2018 09:23

And we would get rid of Corbyn/Abbot to boot.:0)

[minerve] 15/5/2018 09:21

"Still think that Trident is over specified, both Brussels and Paris are way closer than 7000 miles distant from patrol areas."


London is even closer! ;)

[wad collector] 15/5/2018 09:15

You have wound back the clock just over 2 centuries! Waterloo was close to Brussels.


There is also the issue of visibility ; Submarine spotting technology continues to improve . If we look forward over the next 30 yrs or so ( or whatever the active service period turns out to be), it seems likely that they will not remain hidden in the way they were in the first century of submarine use.
There are cheaper ways of providing mobile ICBM platforms...

[shalder] 14/5/2018 17:01

Still think that Trident is over specified, both Brussels and Paris are way closer than 7000 miles distant from patrol areas.

[fangorn2] 14/5/2018 13:46

@Dafrog,

Or Foreign Aid.

:)

[dafrog] 14/5/2018 12:25

Don't waste it on the EU.