Advanced Oncotherapy Share Discussion Threads

[baner] 13/12/2017 10:12

Daijavu

You are a sad person.

[daijavu] 13/12/2017 10:08

Andy.

Neither matters because the consequences for shareholders are, and have been, as bad in either case.

In any case, dishonesty is difficult to prove so perhaps we have to go with the fact that the BoD were probably just incredibly naive when they told shareholders that the development of LIGHT was on track when it was actually years behind schedule.

The Chinese contracts don't exactly inspire me with confidence either. Not after the previous debacles AVO had in China. Those contracts were announced and signed at a grand ceremony during an official State Visit with high profile members of both Governments photographed at the signing. They were also supposed to open the vast Chinese market to AVO just as the new contracts are supposed to. It is a case of dejavu with a vengeance so you must excuse me if I'm not impressed.

The Chinese funding is nothing new either. The cash is likely to vanish into the AVO money pit with nothing much to show for it, just like the last lot of Chinese money did.

I will bide my time and wait to see what happens.

[paul_98] 13/12/2017 09:48

Strong hold IMO

[marvin66] 13/12/2017 09:37

As always I am holding on

Not really worth getting bothered by what anyone thinks or predicts, they might be right they might be completely wrong.

I am happy with my position.

[andy] 13/12/2017 08:51

daijavu,

"Marvin66. I don't think it matters whether the BoD are intentionally dishonest or merely naive."

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What? Are you serious?

The latter Is forgiveable, the former most certainly is not, IMO.

[daijavu] 13/12/2017 08:06

Marvin66. I don't think it matters whether the BoD are intentionally dishonest or merely naive. Either way the statements put out by the BoD cannot be trusted. That applies as much to the present and the future as to the past.

As, I've stated many times, I have great faith in LIGHT. I believe it is a world beater. The problem I have is that the 'naive' actions of the BoD make it very possible that the benefits could very easily go to some other company. The recent fundraising is unlikely to be enough so AVO is at risk of running out of cash and going into administration with LIGHT being bought up by another company. Alternatively there is every chance of a preemptive takeover once LIGHT is fully up and running and de-risked.

I will not be buying any more AVO shares until I am satisfied that AVO can survive as an independent company and AVO shareholders will get all the benefits.

[twirl] 12/12/2017 18:04

marvin66>> "Based on one source.."

Yes the rns's

[euroto] 12/12/2017 12:47

Indeed mam and very good luck to us all.

[makeamillion1] 12/12/2017 12:35

euroto thanks...well it was an appropriate use of the word as it was very annoying at the time especially after the open offer at £1!!! but in hindsight it all contributed to the share price tanking and negative comments which ultimately provided a great opportunity to buy

[paul_98] 12/12/2017 12:15

Very happy days ahead here for patients really suffering. Maybe stop the childish squabbling and get behind the positive future here? If you've lost money, get over it.

[euroto] 12/12/2017 12:05

make a million - I love your use of the word exasperate !!. Do you mean exacerbate ?

Mrs Malaprop ?

All the best.

[igbertsponk] 12/12/2017 12:05

daijavu's post was a summary of what I've been saying for several years now.
Bargepole directors (massively overpaid for incompetence).

[baner] 12/12/2017 12:02

daijavu

good for you - personally i already have a substantial unrealized profit in my significant AVO holding and look much forward to see this double, treble and so forth in a not too distant future. sorry for you that you missed the train!

[makeamillion1] 12/12/2017 11:59

Personally Daijavu and messrs TW did me a huge favour as I researched a great deal this company and managed to significantly load up shares at a price I could only dream of earlier in the year. Please review my previous posts I have always had 100% faith in the current management. However I agree with Marvin66, Paul_98, & Baner & Co the company now has an extremely exciting outlook.

The CEO has done a great job over the last year since he has been in post, the current Chinese partnership is in a different league to the previous licence holder who probably for understandable reasons could not wait for the revised timeline and cancelled orders, unfortunately early stage tech companies do have unforeseen delays these were exasperated by the delay in planning for Harley Street but then that is because they decided at a late stage to re-apply planning for two treatment rooms rather than one.

At the end of the day while Harley Street is important to house the first LIGHT system it is not going to be the spur to accelerate the share value. The share will significantly increase following further tech announcements as detailed in the half year report hopefully they will advise soon that additional SCDTL modules have been completed and further news on the development of the PPS and on the directional dose delivery system are on track. I expect to hear something in January based on the tech timeline update.

In addition we should hear that the Chinese Government have approved the funding and the company will be notifying shareholders of a meeting to vote and agree. All this I would think will occur in January which could be a very good month!

By the 3rd Qtr 2018 with the LIGHT system assembled and treating superficial tumors this will be the catalyst to accelerate the shareprice, from here it will just be a question of getting licence approval, while important this in my opinion will be straight forward, but it will form the bedrock to generating from this point significant forward orders all thanks to our Chinese partners, Circle Health and various other interested parties. In reality we are looking at this all occurring within the next 9 months!!!!

Then we will move to the next stage in boosting the company further when Harley Street finally opens. By this time IMO we could well have a significant order book and an offer on the table for the company which could well be through our Chinese partners who will want to take the company to a new level of production. In common with other disruptive technology companies investors IMO will be looking for an exit within the next 3 years. Anyone's guess what the shareprice will be then!

[marvin66] 12/12/2017 11:52

Based on one source..

[daijavu] 12/12/2017 11:32

marvin66.

Despite everything I said and believe about the BoD, I am keeping an eye on AVO with the intention of reinvesting when I judge the time is right and provided they are still an independent company and still hold the rights to LIGHT.

Until then, I am happily making money elsewhere.

[twirl] 12/12/2017 11:27

marvin>>

presumably your definition of "naive" includes the 3 month(+) delay to report a director selling shares and failure to mention Sinophi pulling out in the placing document.

I call that deliberately misleading.

[marvin66] 12/12/2017 10:26

Daijavu, I have been in this share since June 2015. I don't believe this is a dishonest company as you portray them. They have been naive, over-promised and definitely 'jumped the gun' on a few issues but I don't believe the company has intentionally set out to mislead shareholders, maybe they 'hoped' to be on target for their deadlines, maybe they hung on until that hope ran out but I don't believe they are trying to swindle anyone. Rather they have handled things less than professionally in the past and not communicated as well as they should have done. Not great but not worthy of the mud slung at them from certain quarters.

I've hung on through all of this and I am glad I did as I do believe AVO may have turned a corner. You have to remember they are developing a piece of kit that needs to be perfect, they can't rush this to market. As a holder this is not a development cycle that will handily 'fit in' with our plans. It's a wait and see situation.

If you sold out at 53p then fair enough. I and others stayed in, so don't begrudge us looking forwards rather than backwards.

If in a years time the share is back at 400p how would you feel. Would you still be moaning about the past?

[marvin66] 12/12/2017 10:26

Daijavu, I have been in this share since June 2015. I don't believe this is a dishonest company as you portray them. They have been naive, over-promised and definitely 'jumped the gun' on a few issues but I don't believe the company has intentionally set out to mislead shareholders, maybe they 'hoped' to be on target for their deadlines, maybe they hung on until that hope ran out but I don't believe they are trying to swindle anyone. Rather they have handled things less than professionally in the past and not communicated as well as they should have done. Not great but not worthy of the mud slung at them from certain quarters.

I've hung on through all of this and I am glad I did as I do believe AVO may have turned a corner. You have to remember they are developing a piece of kit that needs to be perfect, they can't rush this to market. As a holder this is not a development cycle that will handily 'fit in' with our plans. It's a wait and see situation.

If you sold out at 53p then fair enough. I and others stayed in, so don't begrudge us looking forwards rather than backwards.

If in a years time the share is back at 400p how would you feel. Would you still be moaning about the past?

[paul_98] 12/12/2017 10:02

One update on technology away from this zooming to £1+ easily IMO.

[paul_98] 12/12/2017 09:25

Oh yes I'll look at the filter option thanks.

[andy] 12/12/2017 09:21

paul,

I said the MINIMUM Placing price would be 25p due to the par value of the shares.


I don't see his posts as patronising at all, he is replying in a lucid fashion to another poster, and reminding him of the past actions of the BOD, which is fair enough IMO.


You have the option to filter anyone whose posts cause you angst, so why not do that instead of complaining about him? He has done nothing wrong, he's as entitled to post here as you and I.

[paul_98] 12/12/2017 09:06

Patronising and an extremely negative outlook. Please find another company to slag off, we are feeling good about this. of course aware of all of the facts, and the past. Life is about now and the future. It's good for you to be a little more positive in your outlook. IMO.

[baner] 12/12/2017 09:04

Daijavu

We focus on the future, not the past, that is why we, the newbies, will make so much money on AVO!

[daijavu] 12/12/2017 08:56

baner

Part of the lure of AVO in the first place was that there were strong investors and highly professional persons who were big names in the scientific and medical world involved. They are still there and are the people you are referring to. Everyone assumed that such people would be honest and work in the interests of shareholders.

We were wrong. Amongst other things, the interests of shareholders was the last thing on their minds. On the other hand, they did look after their own interests by awarding themselves huge bonuses and share options so are now well placed to benefit if things go pear shaped.

One thing I cannot believe is how little research into the company you newbies seem to have done.