Advanced Oncotherapy Share Discussion Threads

[mrtruth1] 04/8/2017 17:58

Surely there simply won't be a 5p entry point if those promises are in place...

[daijavu] 04/8/2017 17:38

A 10 bagger in a year's time will make the share price 117p. I am sure that will console those who still hold having bought in at 400p just two years ago. Two years ago we were supposed to be just a year away from marketing and being a 10 bagger from that 400p just as it is now supposed to be just a year away from marketing and a 10 bagger from the current 16.6p.

Promises! Promises!

I am waiting for an entry price of 5p or less, a cast iron guarantee that LIGHT is fully developed and operational, the first machines rolling off the Thales production line, the first patient treated at Harley Street, contracts signed and evidence that AVO can deliver on them, evidence of an income stream and a guarantee that AVO's debts are manageable before I buy any more AVO shares. I would then hope for a modest profit a year from then but most certainly not a 10 bagger. Not for a few years at least.

Don't forget that AVO has a history of broken promises that many of their prospective customers are very aware of. AVO's rivals will be very happy to point that out if any of those prospective customers are not aware.

I suspect China could be a very hard nut to crack because of AVO's history of broken promises in that country.

[mrtruth1] 04/8/2017 17:15

Not sure what a 10 bagger is but I like the sound of it!!

[makeamillion1] 04/8/2017 16:26

I can tell you Andy, from this point IMO this will be a 10 bagger within 3 years regardless of any dilution now. Time will tell and I am enjoying the ride.

[andy] 04/8/2017 16:20

mrtut1,

Why wouldn't dilution matter if it was "huge"

[johnjohntaylor] 04/8/2017 16:10

Keep the faith all!

[mrtruth1] 04/8/2017 15:29

It won't necessarily matter too much because we are talking huge money here.

[andy] 04/8/2017 15:26

twirl,

Exactly.

And if AVO raise yet more money, it will de dilutive to existing shareholders, and if it's done around these prices, then long term holders are simply having their shareholder value eroded.

[twirl] 04/8/2017 15:22

The Segulah loan is unsecured because there are no assets. Not since Harley St was signed over to the other loan due to be repaid next year

Q "Who on earth would invest without having confidence in secure funding being obtained in the future!"

A Someone who knew that they would inherit the LIGHT technology if no further funding is obtained - wiping out shareholders

Thats why its a loan from Segula and not equity

[twirl] 04/8/2017 15:22

The Segulah loan is unsecured because there are no assets. Not since Harley St was signed over to the other loan due to be repaid next year

Q "Who on earth would invest without having confidence in secure funding being obtained in the future!"

A Someone who knew that they would inherit the LIGHT technology if no further funding is obtained - wiping out shareholders

Thats why its a loan from Segula and not equity

[makeamillion1] 04/8/2017 11:50

wi1l, that is a good question, the answer is the Segulah loan is unsecured, if it was not the press release would have had to mention it. Who on earth would invest without having confidence in secure funding being obtained in the future!

[mrtruth1] 04/8/2017 11:48

As happened recently, on financing news the price rockets. I want to be in low for that so as not to miss the boat!

[wi1l] 04/8/2017 11:40

Surely investors have to consider what will happen to their investment if the company runs out of funds. The share price wouldn't be where it is now if that was not a possibility. Has the new lending put into place recently come with any conditions such as a charge on the assets should the company default?? From experience those that hold all the cards will be organising themselves to protect their own interests. It could mean the unsuspecting PI will lose all of his investment.

[makeamillion1] 04/8/2017 11:07

Mr Truth, I agree I am more than 100% positive also.

I would prefer to listen to an investor that has put in £10 million as Segulah has and would have done far more due diligence than any on this board could have done. The video to me validates my own investment strategy.

I expect to hear very shortly a substantial financing plan in which Gabriel Urwitz of Segulah mentioned in the video would likely occur before the end of the year. Sooner rather than later I expect.

There is no way this company will run out of money or be sold. This is disruptive technology that investors love. I would expect that they have been inundated with financing offers and these take time to negotiate, too many big names invested here and as folk have previously mentioned on this board none have backed away most have continued to invest including the directors. Also the company can not be sold as the majority of the shares are held by the board and a handful of large supportive investors.

As Gabriel Urwitz mentioned in the video there is relatively little technological risk here as all parts have been developed over many years by CERN / ADAM. Funding is only a risk if there are no players willing to fund....if that were the case Segulah and their syndicate would not have invested, just look at the names who have supported the last fund raising which included Peter Gyllenhammar AB!

The share price is where it is because of how the market interpreted the Blacknor funding, in hindsight that was a big mistake by the company reiterated by Gabriel Urwitz, where Bracknor will be the main beneficiaries. However it is a minor set back, a good funding solution will no doubt be secured, the technological milestones are on track, Harley Street is on track and we could be treating superficial tumors around this time next year. As Gabriel mentioned with a company having a market cap of £13.35 million and over £80 million so far invested that is one huge investment opportunity. Don't forget one LIGHT installation will cost over £40 million and we are within approx 12 months of being able to treat superficial tumors and Thales are preparing a production facility to build 8 LIGHT systems a year.

Those that say competitors are ahead of us are absolutely correct in terms of them building more units now, however it is a huge huge market and the cost benefits for LIGHT being under 25% less to purchase and install than other systems and able to install and build treatment rooms within a significantly shorter time frame due to its compact size and little radiation will out weigh any competitor concerns in a market growing every year. There is therefore more than enough room for everyone.

I ask my self this question...What will the value be of this company when the LIGHT system is assembled and treating superficial tumors? How many orders would that then generate around this time next year? It is a very short time frame and I am grateful I managed to build an investment at such low prices.

It is good to read others views on this board, both sides of the story are interesting & valid and everything is a risk some greater than others.

DYOR Good luck

[mrtruth1] 04/8/2017 10:03

Btw not insecure here at all! 100% positive. Topped up yesterday in fact.

[cosmicboy] 04/8/2017 09:51

My thoughts exactly

[andy] 04/8/2017 09:41

daijavu4 Aug '17 - 09:38 - 3727 of 3727

How refreshing to read a post like that on here.

[daijavu] 04/8/2017 09:38

I am here because I am still interested in AVO. I might even buy shares in the company again. It all depends on what happens to the company in the future. At this moment, I would not put a penny into AVO shares because it is a very high risk company with a dodgy past of misrepresenting facts about what is happening and telling outright lies in response to direct questions I have asked. I certainly would not make it my only shareholding because that would be really silly.

I have actually done a lot of research into AVO, its BoD and senior personnel, the market it hopes to enter, its competitors and what they are developing. I was attracted to it because:

It offered a cheap means of providing lifesaving treatment to the world that only one other company could potentially offer.
It's technology was groundbreaking and came with a wonderful provenance from CERN
It was/is headed by people with solid high level reputations in their fields
The major shareholders have never sold and many have continued to add to their shareholdings
The development of the Harley Street premises is being carried out at the expense of the site owners who come with a solid reputation.

What was there not to like?

Unfortunately:
There are competitors. They are are well established and they are all working towards developing technology that could compete with AVO's offering.
AVO is way behind their original timetable
AVO has a history of telling some whopping lies about their finances, contracts and the development of LIGHT
The Bod has mismanaged AVO's finances to the extent that they have brought the share price down from £4 to its current 16.1p with nothing to go on but their word that they will survive long enough to fulfill any of their promises.

There is every possibility that AVO will be taken over by another company or might even go out of business before a single machine is sold. We have only the BoD's word that will not happen.

Finally, there is the truism of the stockmarket that if you think that the share price could not possibly fall any lower, it probably will. It really could fall to zero.

I am biding my time to see if the BoD can really turn things around. I would like nothing better. Once I am confident that AVO can survive and have a product to sell, I might reinvest. Until that happens, my cash is invested in better prospects.

I feel sorry for people who are so insecure in their investments that they fear getting information that contradicts their beliefs.

Belief is no basis for investing in any share.

[mrtruth1] 04/8/2017 08:35

Yes I refused the phone calls and only accept replies via email. 3 AVO contacts always copied in...

[andy] 04/8/2017 00:54

mrtruth,

I am afraid to say over the years in my experience, many companies have lied, or misrepresented their actual position.

I am very wary of information not given in an official news release (especially over the phone!), and even then that isn't gospel, ask the Langbar shareholders about the $250 million transferred to ABN Amro Amsterdam, announced by RNS and yet turned out to be a complete falsehood.

No action was taken of course, as is always the case, the city looks after its own, and always will do.

[mrtruth1] 03/8/2017 23:52

JakNife rhymes with GetAlife. ATB :-)

[mrtruth1] 03/8/2017 23:22

JakNife. Who said it was a religion(?!). This is exactly the sort of comment that makes you look slightly bitter. Suspect you've had your hands burnt a few times from bad decisions.

[tevita] 03/8/2017 22:27

ANDY

Andy
30 Jul '17 - 23:55 - 2830 of 2902 1 0
tevita,

Are you appointed as WL's spokesperson?

Or did he have two id's and replied from the wrong one?

YOU like MAKING ACCUSATIONS of others WITHOUT PROOF

SO OLD BOY

HOW MANY IDs DO YOU HAVE ????????????????????????