Z Group Share Discussion Threads

[pork belly] 27/9/2007 17:11

hopefully, sales will pick up post uk launch of the iphone on 09 november.

great product, virtually non-existent sales push.

[jimmycarter] 27/9/2007 13:35

Thanks for the feedback guys. That is a shame Porky. I just don't get it sometimes. A great product that you may spend years developing but then non existent appreciation for other aspects of business. I am hoping this product sells itself in some respects. Develops its own media interest Ie through write ups etc. But adds in magazines towards their target audience or even a an advert on TV or advertising on internet sites. I know it all cost money and they need to decided the best way to spend it to maximise sales. I just don't know if they do. Hoping the word gets round about this produst. At the moment I think it is just investors who know about this product! Sure there is more to it then just this. Hoping so...!

[valustar1] 27/9/2007 12:28

I have asked in a couple of HMV stores which did not have it.

From memory its just the flagship stores that are selling it.

[pork belly] 27/9/2007 12:25

jc,

i have repeatedly emailed ZGP about their poor marketing. they don't seem in the slightest bit interested.

[jimmycarter] 27/9/2007 11:45

Has any1 seen this on sale in their HMV store?
This product needs marketing big time. This is where their money should be going. You can sell rubbish with decent marketing. I do not think this product is rubbish and with some innovative advertisingg etc it has potential. I doubt the mgt to be honest and I wouldn't be surprised if there are finance problems in the background? I am hoping not but I do not hold my breath.

[pork belly] 27/9/2007 11:12

lets hope the UK Iphone release gets things going on ebuyer.

[tanazuk] 25/9/2007 16:48

Selling slowly but surely...only 2927 in stock on ebuyer!

[tanazuk] 21/9/2007 22:49

Some more interesting links:

[tanazuk] 21/9/2007 22:47

There you go, another market in audio books comes to mind!. I'm sure the loss of sound quality, if there is any, will not be an issue for audio books. An interesting link here:

[tanazuk] 21/9/2007 21:58

Product is also available, but temporarily out of stock, from another site I use, play.com. Link below:

[pork belly] 21/9/2007 16:17

i see the ebuyer website has now included a link to the Wired magazine article

[tanazuk] 19/9/2007 22:50

encarter, again I agree with your views and have seen the hydrogenaudio postings. Believe me they have slated the product. Nevertheless we are dealing with seasoned professionals on the hydrogen forum who know what they want from their music .... not short of "geek" like attributes and definitely clued on in terms of the music \ software industry etc..... Think about though those individuals who really don't mind a small degradation in quality? It is those that will find the product appealing. £20 versus £80 for disk space? There is a gap in the cost and potentially a gap in the market for the product. Maybe not at entrepreneurial levels but certainly a gap that needs to be filled.

[encarter] 19/9/2007 22:38

tanazuk, my worry is the software itself. All their other products have been flawed and this is probably also. Here's a link that i came across while doing some research on another stock. Hence my earlier posts.


It doesn't mean that money can't be made trading the shares but imho it's not a long term investment.

[tanazuk] 19/9/2007 10:41

encarter, I hear what you are saying, but surely just the windows user base is a big enough market?

[copshaw] 19/9/2007 08:07

no they are wating for one to come out from teather and greenwood,sorry and i hope im wrong but i think we have been shafted ,looking back at all their news,you can see that they are not truthfull to the market,thats why i spoke to them a few weeks ago and brought this to their attention ,and as we know we get a profit warning,lets hope im wrong,but when i called on the day of the profit warning and asked about the future they said shrinkmytunes was selling reasonably well,with this lots record i would take that to mean not at all.

[encarter] 19/9/2007 07:09

Does anyone remember Mafuka?

[encarter] 19/9/2007 06:27

I once bought these at over £1 when they brought out onbidder because it seemed like a great idea. I subscribed to the software and when i tried it, it didn't work. The next day i got a refund and sold my shares at a small loss.

None of this companies products ever work fully and SMT is no different, see their past history. SMT only runs on Windows making it a non-starter for Mac users and it only tackles unprotected MP3, MP3Pro and WAV files so the software won't do anything for protected AAC files from iTunes or the WMAs downloaded from the likes of URGE or Napster. There's no way to maximize the GUI interface such that it occupies the size of the entire screen. There's the option for a 'Help' section in the 'Help' menu, yet when you click to view the help section, nothing appears.It doesn't display the name of the song that is currently being played. There are no buttons to skip in the middle or between tracks. There is no way to shrink files while simultaneously listen to an audio file.When a file is being shrunk in the same directory as the original file and the user chooses to keep a copy of the original file in the same directory, the software crashes with an "abnormal termination" error and i don't care what they say, quality is lost which is a step backwards in music listening imho. I'm afraid all in all It's another inferior product.

[tanazuk] 18/9/2007 22:48

copshaw, I am aware of a broker note of 14 Sept (which has been posted previously by pork belly) and have attached below. Is this the note that ZGP were referring to?:

Landsbanki has downgraded Northern Rock (NRK) to hold from buy and Ladbrokes (LAD) to hold from buy.
The broker reiterates buy Dunelm (DNLM) and says hold Foseco (FOSE) (fair value 225p).
Landsbanki says reduce Pipex (LSE: PXC.L - news) (PXC) and hold Z Group(LSE: ZGP.L - news) (ZGP).
The broker has reviewed the Fund Management shares, in which they have downgraded Invesco (INVP) to reduce from hold, Syndicate Asset Management (LSE: SAM.L - news) (SAM) to hold from buy (90p price target), reiterates buy New Star (NSAM) and hold Schroders (LSE: SDR.L - news) (SDR).

[copshaw] 18/9/2007 21:58

well i was told by the company after the bad news last week that their would be a broker note out friday,and when i spoke to them 3 weeks ago they assured me that evrything was going great ,well no broker note as yet and we drop 50% in a week ,they wouldnt know the truth if it was in front of them ,

[tanazuk] 18/9/2007 05:03

jc, granted onshare turned out to be a real dog hence the co. is to write it off. Considering cost reductions are achieved from a burn of £115K / month to say £80K that means the co. are seriously looking towards investor value. This would also indicate that they have confidence in their current portfolio of products and want to continue as a business. If not, than why try to achieve a cost reduction? Just bail out now and bring the co. in to liquidation and stop messing around with the PI's. We are still to see the real marketing of SMT and hopefully this will happen 'immenently'. Use the technology for compression of further media types than this becomes an interesting situation for the co. overnight. I work in an environment where even though disk space is cheap, we are constantly using winzip / winrar to compress log files to conserve disk space. In this current climate where accountabilty of firms is of paramount importance, you will find that every email, document and file is being kept by co's for legal, compliance and statutory reasons. Think about it.

[jimmycarter] 18/9/2007 00:31

As far as I am concerned this is nothing. When/if it sales go from 2800 to 2500 in a day then i would start perhaps making some noise. Least it has sold a few but really it is completely insignificant in the scheme of things. Only until this gets some real coverage will it sell. Needs voices/newspaper/tv/internet/other media coverage b4 anything will happen here. Word of mouth is a start. But like anything new and exciting potenetialy big - it all gets into the press and mentioned. If this doesn't happen it means it won't/will not be selling(enough) IMO. I hope it does but i feel the time is not now. Who knows when if at all? I think it is a good product and so I think you could toss a coin as to which way this one goes. I think it is important to note just what dire financial situation they are currently in. If they never wasted money in the past and put all of it into marketing this product (and i mean millions) then I think this would potentially be big , but i have reservations now and just hope as opposed to real confidence and excitement. Management may pay for bad decisions in the past. IF this does sell significantly they will need to fund it in some way. I am not sure where they will get this money from. Placing?? Loans?? The situation with this company is not black and white. I feel there is more news to come. Good or bad?? I am not sure?

[tanazuk] 17/9/2007 23:28

Maybe DB ... can't be sure ...2937 now!

[dangerous brian] 17/9/2007 23:01

Was the starting number 3000 tanazuk ?

[tanazuk] 17/9/2007 22:56

Slowly but surely the product is being sold. Down to 2938 on ebuyer. Have faith people!