Worldlink Share Discussion Threads

[breakdance2] 12/7/2016 14:56

Was it before the 13/14 season we were supposed to re-list or this one just gone 15/16?

[peterblok] 07/7/2016 18:49

Thanks for the update Hugo,

In terms of odds, what do you personally think the chances are of any of the shareholders getting any money back?

TIA

Peter

[cromarty] 07/7/2016 17:54

Warwick.

NR is a barefaced liar and you are a fool.

[hugosamuel] 30/6/2016 13:14

"The plaintiff Quest Licensing Corporation (“Plaintiff221;) and the defendant SunGard Data Systems Inc. (now known as FIS Data Systems Inc.) (“Defendant221;) hereby move for an order dismissing all claims and counterclaims in this action WITH PREJUDICE, with each party to bear its own costs, expenses and attorneys’ fees."

The "With Prejudice" bit means it is dismissed for good and cannot be revisited. "WithOUT Prejudice" would mean a future claim was possible.

I think we are still progressing with expert reports against the others though. Still fighting.

[warwick69] 11/5/2016 13:45

Thanks Hugo much appreciated

[hugosamuel] 10/5/2016 19:46

For MyClubBetting, take a look here:



You can download their accounts (second item).

[hugosamuel] 10/5/2016 19:36

I would LOVE a reasoned, legal argument for hope here.
As it happens, I doubt the Defendants will get their large costs back from Quest even if they win so agreeing to settle at an amount lower than their projected costs would be sensible assuming they are not looking for a moral victoryover us.

I would also LOVE a technical expert to explain how the Judge's interpretation still includes 3G and beyond. That would be a cause for real hope for us.

ps. apologies all for the long posts. I have edited them down and used paragraphs!

[hugosamuel] 10/5/2016 19:27

On the all mobiles comment, you will see that Judge Sleet himself has said it is to be interpreted as "over a GSM network". It is not ambiguous!

GSM is 2G. It does not say "over a UMTS/GSM hybrid". It does not say "over networks the GSM community were involved in". It says precisely "over a GSM network". Judge Sleet's commentary is shown in that document.

You can Google what GSM is and what 3G (and beyond is). Here is an extract from a prominent article list at the time 3G was becoming the next big thing:

"Global System for Mobile communications or GSM is the current and most widely used standard for mobile phones today while 3G is the next generation mobile technology that has begun to REPLACE GSM. 3G is a WHOLE NEW technology that was introduced as a REPLACEMENT to the ageing GSM technology. It offers substantial improvements over its predecessor in almost all aspects imaginable. Theses faster speeds also made it possible to add new features that were unavailable for GSM."

This is from the Order Construing Terms from Judge Sleet himself

"The court adopts the defendants' proposed construction. In doing so, the court does not simply limit the claims to the disclosed embodiments. Rather, the court reaches its conclusion by reading the claims in light of the specification. As a starting point, the problem the patentee intended to address was that "the bandwidth of the current GSM standard mobile telecommunications network does not allow the supply of real time updating information over the mobile telecommunications network." 468 patent at 1 :23-27.

Second, the patentee recognized that other forms of telecommunications networks, such as "satellite telecommunications technology," did not have the same shortcomings as the GSM mobile communications network."

[hugosamuel] 10/5/2016 19:11

Warwick, something is not right with you. You keep asking for opinion when you can read the ACTUAL court document itself right now for free. It is right here.

hxxps://dockets.justia.com/docket/delaware/dedce/1:2014cv00561/54831

(change the xx to tt at the start of this link, ADVFN alters links)

It is free. You do not need an account. Click that PDF and read it. It is from the Judge himself and is clear and precise.

[warwick69] 10/5/2016 18:34

He has no reason to lie!!!!We know they are in a serious patent case from which many millions could be settled? And if we are successful there would be many years of backdated damages and future revenue So all shareholders should at least be interested especially as like me most had written off the loss but not necessarily a little hopeWe did not have to receive the my club betting shares when worldlink suspended surely that's a sign that NR wS trying to do the best for shareholders I for one am happy to give the benefit of the doubt We shall soon see even if goes to trial that's January next year we can wait a little longer for the promised land

[warwick69] 10/5/2016 16:50

Hugo any more news Neil riches has to go back to states for deposition on 5 th June he has to be last or something He told me that the patent covers all telephones not just 3G something about GSM He seems very positive that we will get settlements before trials are you heRing anything on the grapevineI am also told that my club betting will be listed on European Nasdaq and the Worldlink will relist on Nasdaq so does sound like we still have a chance to recoup some value after all this time but still no idea when? We must be the longest suspended share of all timeAnd oh what a laugh I will have if we get big settlements and I recoup more than the suspension price just a shame I will not be able to tell my wife I got my money back

[hugosamuel] 11/4/2016 14:36

These are some extracts from the footnotes in the order that explain the 10 items

Item 1, "The Plaintiff definition is rejected and the Court supports the Defendants construction"
Item 2, "The Parties do not dispute that this is a means-plus-function term and construes the claimed function according to the term's plain meaning"
Item 3, "The Court agrees with the Plaintiff's cited dictionary definitions"
Item 4, "The Court adopts the Defendants' proposed construction"
Item 5, "The Court therefore adopts the Defendants' proposed construction"
Item 6, "The Plaintiff argues that no construction is necessary, but the court offers a plain meaning construction for clarity".
Item 7, "Essentially, the court agrees with the Defendants' proposed constructions for the function of these terms"
Item 8, "but finds that it has its plain and ordinary meaning as provided by the Defendants' proposed construction".
Item 9, "The court adopts the defendants' proposed construction".
Item 10, "The court construes each of the terms to have the meaning consistent with their uses in the other claim terms.

[hugosamuel] 11/4/2016 14:34

Just read the Order Construing The Terms from the Markman Hearing. It is the order signed by Judge Sleet dated March 11. You can Google it and get it from Justia Dockets free.

I'm no expert but it doesn't seem promising for us. Certainly seems to really limit the scope for the size of damages even if we somehow get a win. To my untrained eye, the fact that "mobile telecommunications network" is to be construed as "over a GSM network" is a killer. I think that means only the original early networks GPRS and before are included in the patent. 3G, Wifi and beyond is all excluded. GSM is up to 2G and was replaced by 3G. Wifi is nothing to do with GSM at all. The notes say "The Court adopts the defendants' proposed construction".

Of the 10 items in the Order the Judge has signed, 6 appear to be the Defendants favour, 1 in our favour and 3 neutral.

Looks like they got the big ones too. Anyone able to read it and interpret it for us?

[hugosamuel] 10/4/2016 22:33

Well, it has already been very expensive I imagine (surely in millions USD to date across the Defendants). These big companies usually do not want to settle as it opens the floodgates on patent claims so they'd rather take their chances with a Jury.

For all we know, it might be OUR team that do not want to settle. If we get a big decision from the Jury and a big payout from Judge Sleet, that is much more powerful than an "undisclosed settlement" which other alleged infringers might think is a "let's call it quits but pay our own costs" cop out. An actual trial win is how we win big IMO.

Must be fairly positive as Quest and the backer would not throw good money after bad just to try to scare them into settling. If that was going to happen, it would have happened by now. There must be something of real substance behind the continuation of our efforts.

[warwick69] 10/4/2016 22:13

Hugo not too sure but maybe it's to start talking settlements as the parties may not want to risk going to trial as it could get very very expensive if they lose

[breakdance2] 10/4/2016 21:55

I have nothing concrete, but hear from a fairly good source that things are looking reasonably positive... NR's imminent trip to US is going to be interesting and a key milestone!

[hugosamuel] 10/4/2016 21:46

If you are speaking with the horses mouth Warwick, you will have much better information that I can get. What is he going to the US for?

[hugosamuel] 10/4/2016 21:45

Not seen or read anything to get particularly excited about to be honest but my mind has been elsewhere. Last I was aware, the Markman had happened in February and we were now just carrying on to the trial next year. Last entry on Pacermonitor is the objections and responses from Factset to our most recent interrogatories but the others have been quiet. We have issued a lot of Subpoenas so if they thought we would give up after the Markman, they now know that is not the case.

Breakdance2 must have some good news that has eluded the rest of us. What is the news Breakdance?

ps. It was this time last year that NR was supposedly off to the US after the PTAB result to "negotiate the settlement". Hopefully BD has something more concrete!

[warwick69] 10/4/2016 21:30

Oh wouldn't the stig be eating some dirt if we come out of this with a massive profit i might even drive up to lancs to ask him to buy me a pint in the masons arms and request he posts a few apologies

[warwick69] 10/4/2016 21:16

Well I know 100% from the horses mouth that Neil is off to the States next week so we really could be getting close to some really positive news from the patent hearing Maybe Hugo could help us find out !!!! Good luck all holders and I wonder how some of the city spivs who are still short will be thinking if we eventually come out of suspension ?

[still waiting] 10/4/2016 20:55

Strange time to be as bullish bd??

[borgny] 10/4/2016 20:46

I certainly hope so - I suppose there's always the possibility that N.R will prove all the doubter wrong.

Any reason for your optimism? Have you heard anything?