Woodford Patient Capital Share Discussion Threads

[hvs1] 01/7/2016 20:20

oh dear

someone's just agreed with me, that's made me shudder with discomfort

i must be doing something wrong

[pugugly] 01/7/2016 20:12

The 70's were (for once I agree with hvs1) a miserable time - 3 day week - on going strikes - no real understanding by many on both sides management or workers that quality and attention to detail were what consumers were looking for in the products they produced


BUT property prices realative to earings were much lower at about 3 - 4 times average earnings - local councils gave students grants to help their university education as they realised that investment in further education was an investment in the future of the Country.

I could go on BUT what was missing from the emotional arguments on both sides was a realistic assesment of what would happen after the vote.

It should have been very simple

Vote OUT and regain the right to control who can come to the UK - Downside Brits will have to work harder and smarter and probably take home less cash

Vote REMAIN and sign up to a federal state of Europe where citizens of the UK have no (or very minimal) control over the country where they are citizen BUT are (certainly in the short term) better off

Vote with your heart - OUT. Vote with your wallet REMAIN.

Sorry as off subject of Woodford patient capital So to get back on track another of his investments seems to be in trouble - Have a look at the results of RM2.!!

[brahmsnliszt] 01/7/2016 20:02

Ahhhh mr hvs1 you little trouble maker you haha

Hope all is well dear chap. Europe knows how to live, if you're part of the 10,000 in the Brussels bubble earning more than our PM and on lovely obese pension schemes. Not sure the 50 pct Spanish youth who are unemployed would agree with that mind.

[brahmsnliszt] 01/7/2016 19:41

The fact that a remainer participated in a binary bet and voted shows that they validated the whole process. They voted to leave, they lost, and now bleats that it wasn't a legitimate election due to either a lack of info or that the PM was useless.You voted, you validated the whole process. You lost. Deal with it toffeeman and stop bleating like a petulant 5 year old.

[mjthegoat] 01/7/2016 19:29

Toffeeman "You claim to understand the issues when you vote"Yet you voted for a Milliband led government, hilarious! You claim to have voted for that because CAMERON was not of sound mind, brilliant. Thanks for demonstrating to me why most people that voted to remain believed the tosh being banded around about leaving the EU and our world ending, which as you can see it hasn't. I wonder how did we ever manage survive without the EU before the mid 70's! That's right, just fine!

[tournesol] 01/7/2016 19:07

You would do well to read Kipling's "If"

[toffeeman] 01/7/2016 18:36

Sunflower - you could not be more wrong:

I voted Labour at the last election and bet money on an overall conservative majority.

It was a democratic process and produced the outcome I didn't want, but everyone who voted understood the issues and the consequences. The problem was the Cameron is not of sound mind!

Now go and have a nice weekend.

[tournesol] 01/7/2016 16:22

Toffeman

What you appear to think is that Democracy is only valid when it produces the results you want.

What you don't seem to be willing to accept is that democracy is on fact only valid when it produces the result you do NOT want, but you accept it with a good grace.

[toffeeman] 01/7/2016 12:38

Democracy is only valid when:

1. people understand the issues sufficiently.
2. those who administer it are of sound mind and body

I think the referendum is an excellent example of what is wrong with democracy!

Iceland put us out of Europe as did the people who shop there.

[minerve] 01/7/2016 12:26

If most Brexiters didn't read the sh*te in the tabloids and stopped living off of our heroics in WW2 I would have more time for them. I find most Brexit supporters a little lacking in the old grey cells. It doesn't take them long to choose of the menu, if you get my drift. ;)

[tournesol] 01/7/2016 12:21

Toffeeman

"...remain ...was the only sensible option..…"

Let me start by saying that I think the referendum was seriously flawed in both conception and execution. And if that were not bad enough, it is clear that the campaigns run by both sides were of very low quality with neither side paying sufficient regard to the underlying facts, recognising and addressing the strengths and weaknesses of both options, showing respect for supporters and opponents alike and generally behaving in a way that enriched the democratic process.

Having said all that, I think that everyone who says/thinks, as you do, that the referendum entailed only one sensible option - whether they say that about REMAIN or about EXIT - is committing a fundamental sin against democracy and against joined up thinking.

There was a perfectly valid case to be made on both sides. Sensible, decent, responsible people could arrive at different conclusions through different thought processes. Anyone who dismisses the "other" side out of hand, as you do, has failed to understand the issues and/or to empathise with the situation of their fellow citizens and/or to consider the alternatives.

But we are where we are. We have a clear decision. The task that is now required is to implement it in the best way possible. For REMAIN voters to revisit the original question is both pointless and divisive. For you reject the democratic process and collude with your children's sense of victimhood is not mature.

I voted leave 40 years ago. My side lost then. I accepted that defeat with as good a grace as I could and lived with it. I voted leave again last week in the expectation that I would once again be on the losing side. Had that disappointing outcome eventuated, I would have accepted it again. That is what the REMAIN side needs to do for their own sake and the sake of ty

[toffeeman] 01/7/2016 08:36

Sunflower - I am 61 - an old codger who voted remain because it was the only sensible option as you exiteers will soon see.

I also have children who are telling me that Britain has become a less attractive place to live and bring up their families - they are educated and able to work elsewhere.

I am also involved in recruiting people to work here because there are no Brits who are competitive - ergo growth will slow because they will no longer want to be here - there are lots like me.

Sunflowers grow tall but not enough to keep your head in the clouds.

Have a nice weekend.

[tournesol] 30/6/2016 17:41

Toffeman

"...those old codgers who voted leave are sitting pretty the kids won't be…"

Don't be so rude and so self pitying and so stupefyingly unoriginal.

Don't be so gullible.

Try thinking for yourself instead of swallowing the current meme circulating via sociaal media.

We old codgers have had 40 years of living under the EU regime and have long since had any naive illusions dispelled. Younger folk with the trusting idealism and naivety of youth have only ever known the EU and have swallowed its propaganda.

Just because someone tells you the EU is good and non-EU is bad, does not make it so.

open your eyes and your mind and start living in the real world not the fantasy version of Ruritania with Presidents and Commissioners and hundreds of thousands of flunkeys and extravagant offices and special queues at the airport. The EU has a lot in common with single party systems like the FSU and China. It's no place for free people.

[jfishy55] 30/6/2016 16:47

Currently, 18 to 57 would be 39 years...but facts or an excuse to launch into a leave/remain rant never discourages the zealots ;-)

[toffeeman] 30/6/2016 14:34

"Some people in their 20s lock their dosh up for 30+ years!"

More like 50 years now - those old codgers who voted leave are sitting pretty the kids won't be.

[jfishy55] 30/6/2016 11:55

"locking away yor dosh for 10 years"

Have you heard of pensions?
Some people in their 20s lock their dosh up for 30+ years!

[the air marshall] 30/6/2016 11:41

Some maniacs are intelligent. Ours here is not. LOL

[liquidkid] 30/6/2016 11:00

JC is a frigging socialist not a money clutching miser like you lot (locking away yor dosh for 10 years lol!)
The similarities with JC are similar though especially the many attempts of character assassination - Et Tu Brutus.
No need to highlight the comparison to the other JC who was executed for his efforts. I don't think you'll go that far but the hacking is a start.

[kpo115] 30/6/2016 10:22

Is liquidkid Jeremy Corbyn in disguise? Nobody thinks he's any good and everybody wants him to just go away.

[prewar] 29/6/2016 21:38

Ok time for somebody to fess up, who hacked in to ADVFN systems today resulting in numerous posts by super guru Liquescent Kid being lost forever more?

One of those could have been the key to converting what appears to be a stream of irrational mostly irrelevant utter drivel into something vaguely comprehensible.

Hang your head in shame!