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chemistdude: Courtesy of tu123 on Blueshare Q4 2016 Results Earnings Conference Call July 25, 2016 10:00 AM ET Executives Rick Hurwitz - CEO David Williams - CFO Analysts Paul Morland - Canaccord Peter McNally - Shore Capital Presentation Rick Hurwitz Thank you, Operator. And I hope everybody could hear me this morning; if not, please indicate through the operator and we will make any adjustments that we need to. But, good morning and welcome to Tungsten’s earning call for the 2016 financial year ended April 30th. I am Richard Hurwitz, Chief Executive of Tungsten Corporation, and I am joined today by my CFO, David Williams. First, some housekeeping. We have produced a presentation to accompany this call, and this is available on our website where there is an audio free webcast. They will turn the slides through our remarks for you this morning. As the operator had indicated, after we have completed our prepared remarks, we will turn the call over for a brief Q&A session. Do feel free to connect with us following the call if you would prefer to put your questions to us in private or if we turn out of time and you are unable to ask a question on this call. If I may, I am required to briefly draw your attention to an important legal notice before we enter this conversation today. Now, I am delighted to be bringing these results to you for our financial year ended April 30th. These are my first such annual results as Chief Executive with the business operating under both my tutelage and our new strategic plan or pursuing profitable growth. As we look to the future, I hope to convey a sense of the excitement I have as we seek to deliver this plan. Midway through this fiscal year, I set out the conclusions of the comprehensive operational review we undertook of the Company and its business landscape. My analysis confirmed my belief that our global operating assets inside of the Tungsten Network are special. This is a secure, many-to-many network that pioneer e-invoicing and is at the vanguard of digitizing accounts payable processes and counts more than half of the Fortune 500 and the FTSE 100 as customers. However, the full value of the connectivity of our network is not being realized due to some readily observable structural deficiencies that we are in the midst of remediating. The insight of this work allowed me to refine our corporate strategy to focus on profitable growth, reinvigorate our corporate culture so that our people care and are performing at a high level, and to identify a series of actions to help the organization achieve its potential. They also guided me to upgrade our management talent, identify which non-core activities to shut and craft the plan for rebooting Tungsten Network Finance on economic terms sustainable for our shareholders. We have hired talented industry leaders in their functional disciplines, we have an agreement to sell Tungsten Bank, and we have restructured many aspects of our invoice financing activities to allow us to grow faster to more profitably. We operated under our new strategy for only four months of the 2016 financial year. Over that time, I am very pleased that some of the initial changes we made already impacted our financial and operating performance. We increased the number of buyers and suppliers we serve as customers and we provided them with a broader range of services than we have ever done before. Take Tungsten Network Finance, we doubled the number of suppliers registered for early payment and we grew our book of financial invoices by 220%. While we are now restarting this area of the business in earnest, here is [ph] affirmation of the opportunity within our proprietary network. We have grown revenues at double-digit rates, which help together with more effective operating and one-off cost control to reduce our EBITDA loss by £6.5 million, and we ended April with a net cash of over £9 million as operational efficiencies decrease our run rate cash consumption. Taking together these results give me confidence that we’re building momentum in our strategy to focusing on profitable growth. This provides a very strong foundation for our 2017 fiscal year. Before reviewing our strategic progress in detail, I’d like to take you through the new corporate purpose we have and how that purpose drives our strategic priorities and the delivery paths we have chosen to achieve those priorities. We strive to be the world’s most trusted transaction network by using data intelligently to strengthen the global supply chain. We do this by providing a secure connection across the globe in automating the entire invoice process. By operating this environment for our customers, we ensure financial viability and success of their digital transformations supporting faster, smarter trade between buyers and their suppliers. This positioning is embedded in the tighter brand standards we have developed. You can see our new logo and tagline in the bottom left of this slide Tungsten Network, Trusted Connections, Streamlined Transactions. Now, screening our 2016 performance through our four strategic goals shines a light on the progress we have made. Take our focus on our core. All our key measures of growth, sales, volumes, customer advocacy are moving along nicely, thanks to the dedicated focus and commitments of our people. For me, even more satisfying is seeing that our customers value the heightened efforts that we are making on their behalf. This is reflected in the fact that 34 of our buyers renewed their contracts this past year with a weighted average price increase of 64%. I can share with you that since the 2016 fiscal year ended, we have renewed a further four at similar renewal rate increases. This process -- or this proves rather that customer satisfaction with the end-to-end experience on the Tungsten Network is high. And they see that we are investing and supporting their move to digital. This gives me enormous optimism. And as we grow our network connectivity, connecting more buyers with their suppliers, more new buyers to the network and more suppliers with other buyers already on the network, we said in motion a virtuous circle of value creation. We have established and are operating effectively a digital command center, which is helping coordinate and facilitate increased customer interactions across our expanding Tungsten Network and better response to the way that large corporations are procuring products today. And we saw our PNC Bank channel open up with our first sales this past year and a very robust pipeline in place for the coming year. Let’s move now to operational performance. Through a range of actions across the business to improve operational efficiency and tightened cost disciplines, we have reduced adjusted operating expenses by 6%. We have put great emphasis on spend management to control cost and to emphasize margin understanding within the business. We also acted swiftly to dispose Tungsten Bank once we had determined it was non-core to our strategy of profitably financing customer invoices. It is not all about cost savings either, improving our operational performance means ensuring that our people have the capabilities and skills to execute the strategy we’ve put in place and our additions to the executive committee and recruiting a host of new leaders and in fact, we have added 11 new senior managers among the 35 individuals here at Tungsten that supervised others. Equally, we have taken the time to refresh accountability and objectives across the organization in order to ensure that our people know how they must contribute to the delivery of our goals. We have tackled the Company’s culture and see our people deliver with great energy and commitment. We have leaders here now in the Company who are inspiring others to do great things for our customers. Our strategic goal number three, invoice financing. I am thrilled we were able to attract a man of the talent of Prabhat Vira to head Tungsten Network Finance. Prabhat joined us in April and is already beginning to make substantive change. Prabhat brings with him a career of receivables finance experience and banking and he is just the right person to lead the reboot of our early payment solution for our suppliers. As part of our strategies to offer the early payment solution to more of our suppliers, we have restructured our funding arrangement with Insight Investments. This significantly increases our serviceable market while also providing for us to take a larger share of income from any financing, meeting our requirement that this activity be a contributor to our profitable growth. Let’s turn to adjacent services, our work in this segment remains in its infancy and the strategic segment did not contribute income to the Group in fiscal 2016. That does not mean it has no strategic value at this point; it does. Our customers’ feedback tells us that there is an opportunity to expand the range of value-added service we offer them through the network and that they will pay for that additional value creation. Tungsten Network Analytics remains in development, but we’re confident that the tools, access to real time spend data has a commercial future. Our plan is to grow customer appetite for the analytics data by offering them a free limited feature version of the product with the aim that some will ultimately choose to migrate to a paid upgrade for more advanced services. And we’re currently crafting a joint venture with a procurement advisory firm that will use our spend analytics to enhance the service that they offer to buyer organizations. Our agreement to sell Tungsten Bank is important, given completion of the sale to Liberty House will release £30 million of cash proceeds, reduce our operating expenditures by a net £2 million a year and remove operational and cultural complexities. The divestment is progressing well. And we expect the buyer to submit a change of control application to the regulatory authorities very shortly. We believe that we’re on track to complete that sale by the 31st of October this year. We have taken the precaution nonetheless of putting in place a £10 million revolving credit facility with HSBC Bank to protect us in the unlikely and unexpected event that the completion is delayed. To repeat, Tungsten Network Finance remains a cornerstone of our strategy and the sale of Tungsten Bank together with our new funding arrangement with Insight Investments will allow us to pursue our aims for early payment with sharper focus. Now, I’d like to turn the podium over to my CFO, David Williams, to take us through the numbers in greater detail. David? David Williams Thank you, Rick and good morning everybody. We recorded revenue in FY16 of £26.1 million, over 16% growth from the prior year which has been reported £23 million but has been reduced due to a reinstatement. The reinstatement of approximately £0.6 million reflects some very detailed work done since my appointment through the controls and processes that exist within the finance function in Tungsten. And as a result, we have highlighted an amount that has been removed from the balance sheet and taken to prior year revenue. We are now very confident in the carrying values of assets on our balance sheet. The Group EBITDA loss of £18.7 million was a reduction of 26% from the prior year. This reflects operating expenses of £47.8 million, which is a £3.2 million improvement from the prior year. The Group loss after tax was £27.9 million, slight increase from the prior of £27.6 million, but this don’t include a one-off non cash impairment charge of £6.8 million, which was taken at the time of the agreement of the sale of Tungsten Bank. The cash at the end of the year was £9.3 million. This was more than our previous guidance of £8 million and reflects ongoing work to reduce monthly burn rate. There was a further £17.8 million held in cash in Tungsten Bank, an amount which varies, depending on the level of invoices that Tungsten Bank holds at the time. Turning to revenue generating segments, Tungsten Network recorded revenues of £25.9 million, that’s a significant majority of revenue within the Tungsten Corporation; excluding workflow that’s an increase of 9% from the prior year including an increase of 16%. This included increases in revenues from both buyer customers, which as Rick has said, we increased the price on a like-for-like basis of 34 of our buyer customers by 64%. Over the year, total buyer revenues as a result were up 70%. Buyer revenues represent approximately 40% of total revenues. Supplier revenues which represent approximately 60% were up 15% year-on-year to £15.8 million. The Tungsten early payments revenue totaled £194,000, compared to $120,000 the prior year. This reflects an increased gross yield to 6.3% from 5.3% the prior year and then increase in the volume of invoices financed from £32 million to £103 million. Turning to a little more detail on our earnings for the year. Our EBITDA of £18.7 million reflects a 26% improvement on the prior year. The low EBITDA, depreciation and amortization increased slightly to £2.5 million and the share-based payment expense increased to £478,000 from $195,000 in the prior year. After our impairment charge of £6.8 million there was other income of £281,000 which reflects a decrease on the amount of deferred consideration required to settle the final DocuSphere acquisition liabilities, as a result of the fall in the share price since the acquisition was agreed. Our finance costs of £288,000, primarily reflect the foreign exchange movement on balances held and our taxation of positive £705,000, primarily reflects the unwind of our deferred tax liabilities created on our acquisitions. Our earnings per share improved slightly albeit to a loss of 22.52p compared to the prior year loss of 26.92p. We continue to see half-on-half revenue growth through Tungsten Network, albeit the second half of FY16 was only slightly higher than the first half due to the seasonality of one-off setup revenues. Our revenue for the full year FY16 was impacted by the timing of signing new buyer customers, which had anticipated to be earlier in the second half and the signings towards the end of that period resulted in minimal revenue being recognized in FY16 but will now be recognized in FY17. We have had success across the business in reducing one-off cost expenditure to a total of 4.3 million in the year FY16 of which 0.7 million was attributable to Tungsten Network. Our EBITDA loss within Tungsten Network was £5 million for FY16 before any intercompany recharges. We now expect those losses to reduce going forward. Our Tungsten Network Finance business now excludes Tungsten Bank, which has a separate management team and is re-fenced pending its sale. Tungsten Network early payment fees totaled over £600,000 in the year. Tungsten Bank received a £180,000 of those. However, of the balance, just £14,000 was received by Tungsten Network Finance with our partner Insight Investments receiving £417,000. Rick has already talked about the work that Prabhat Vira has done since his arrival in order to recalibrate our agreements with Insight. Our buyer customers increased by two during the year. It actually reflects a gross increase of 11 taking services across our accounts payable automation suite. That therefore means a reduction of nine of which six were due to mergers, however, corporate mergers between our customers or merged contracts as we renew more complicated arrangements into simplified contracts with our customers. We lost three buyers during the year, these delivered minimal revenues and minimal invoicing over the network. And we do not believe that these losses will significantly impact FY17. We grew supplier numbers by net 22,000, an increase of 12% and we doubled the number of registered suppliers for Tungsten Network Finance from a 188 to 361. Finally, I’d like to talk a little bit about our cost base and our ongoing process to redefine our cost base in order to support profitable growth. Our adjusted operating expenses in FY15 were £47.8 million; in FY16, they were £44.6 million, a decrease of £3.2 million. A lot of FY15 was driven by one-off costs, particularly in Tungsten Network Finance and Tungsten Bank, supporting our Tungsten Network early payment products. We have managed to contain those costs and find other costs savings across the business to reduced the underlying cost base. However, in order to achieve the profitable growth, we have needed to invest in new management and new quality people in our systems and in our market. So, we have undertaken a realignment of our cost base which will continue through FY17. FY17 will also benefit from the annualized net £2 million saving in the Tungsten Bank cost base. Rick Hurwitz Okay. Thank you very much, David. So to bring us back to the present, I’d like to make a few remarks on our priorities and on our outlook. But before I do, I wanted to emphasize the strength of the foundation we now have here at Tungsten. My leadership team is complete after adding management muscle and forming a highly committed executive team. Each of my direct reports is clear and what they need to achieve as well as having appropriate variable reward structures in place to reward success. Management is clear that 2017 fiscal year is a year for delivery against our strategic and operating plans. So, turning to the period ahead, hopefully by now you’ll recognize the four key strategic outcomes that we are pursuing. Focusing on our core, plan is to progress our license to engage with buyers and suppliers by strengthening our relationships and improving the quality of our customer interactions. We have realigned our customer relationship management teams and are streamlining customer on-boarding in very meaningful ways through use of some of the digital tools that we have put in place. We intend to bring innovation and product development and commercialization to the forefront here at Tungsten. And this year, we’ll be releasing a set of new products that we believe will contribute to revenue. We intend to further improve our after-sale service and leverage benefits from converging more frequently and collaboratively through initiatives launched by our brand new digital command center. Combined, we expect these efforts to help us grow revenues and invoice volume and raise already high customer retention rates further. On the operational side, we are pushing ahead with work already underway to redesign the architecture of our core technology, decoupling components to strengthen the resilience and deliver much simpler infrastructure that brings velocity into this business and wave that had not been present before. The impact of technology changes will go far beyond achieving efficiencies and cost savings here at Tungsten. Digital technologies anchor Tungsten’s ability to expand into new markets and to launch new products quickly and effectively. These initiatives will lead to greater process automation, replacing manual steps wherever possible and giving our customers a better experience and our shareholders a more efficient business. We look forward to significant progress in the delivery of these initiatives in the 2017 fiscal year. In invoice financing, I expect Prabhat to focus on implementing the required operational improvements within Tungsten Network Finance, as we move away from the Tungsten Bank platform. This includes redesigning our products portal to better meet customer needs, better understanding of our supplier segments, improving supplier registration processes and pricing, and creating a more compelling Tungsten Network portal to persuade more suppliers to become early payment users and reaching the portal as a very prominent aspect of our fiscal ‘17 objectives. For this reason, while we expect invoice financing to double in the 2017 financial year, we expect a material impact on revenues from 2018 onwards. In adjacent services, our priorities are to look at a range of opportunities not just Tungsten Network Analytics to leverage the global connectivity of our network for the benefits of our customers. The earning statement that we released this morning provides more detailed commentary on some of the specific opportunities that we have identified and in fact are pursuing. But I’d like emphasis that we aim to develop initiatives in conjunction with partners to minimize cost and again to bring sort of this external touch into what had been a more parochial environment. While there will be incremental additional cost to achieve these priorities, of course there will be; in fact, we have estimated £10 million of expenditure in the 2017 financial year. These costs are predominantly cash expense ones. We will exceed to capitalize where we can and expect about 1 million to 1.2 million of capitalized costs among these. We expect income and efficiency benefits from these investment initiatives, and you’ll see a big piece of as reflected in our work to grow our invoice financing business. We have provided some detailed guidance on our expectations for our financial and operating performance in the 2017 fiscal year. We expect to achieve at least 30 million of revenue in the year, while we also look to a further decrease in operating expense. In alignment with our focus on profitable growth, we are committed to achieving EBITDA breakeven in 2017, the exact month of profitability will be a function of the rate of success we have in some of these new product and adjacent service initiatives, and the revenues attendant to those. We know what we need to do to achieve monthly EBITDA breakeven by the end of the 2017 financial year but we will not give up on investment in future profitable growth solely to attain an arbitrary date that jeopardizes our long-term shareholder value. So, taking all these factors together, we are anticipating an EBITDA loss in the 2017 fiscal year of between £12 million and £14 million and net cash as of the end of the year of more than £20 million. So that concludes our prepared remarks this morning. Thank you for being a listener on this call. And I now like to turn it back to the operator so that we can move into the Q&A session. Thank you. Q&A Rick Hurwitz Do we have any questions? Operator Yes, we do have questions coming through. Our first question is from the line Gareth Evans from Stockdale. [Ph] Please go ahead, Gareth. Your line is open. Unidentified Analyst Good morning, guys. I just wanted to dive into a little bit more detail on slide 12. The statistics, the details you gave there, I think are very interesting. And if I’ve read it correctly, it looks like the registered suppliers in terms of Network Finance have roughly doubled but the flows through the Tungsten accounts and also the total value financed have both roughly tripled over the same time. So, it looks to me that the average amount financed is actually per registered supplier is quite a lot higher in FY16 than it was the year before. Can I just ask is that due to larger suppliers registering for the financing option or is it because each supplier is doing more business once they have registered? And I wonder if you could talk about that a little bit more in the context of what Prabhat is doing as he takes that business and the types of changes he is looking to make and whether that’s likely to lead to more suppliers in terms of number or push towards larger ones and doing more business? Rick Hurwitz Yes, so a terrific question that gives us an opportunity to develop this issue in a lot of ways but let me first try to answer the specific question. The answer is both. So, the suppliers that are using this system continue to use it repeatedly. So, their usage goes up, it has become a core credit facility for them. The buyer share of Tungsten because of some of the constraints around the product offering itself has been towards larger suppliers. That all being said, if I ask you to turn then to the future and Prabhat’s work, there is a wholesale set of changes going on here at Tungsten with respect to Tungsten Network Financing. The past and the answer to this question is not a prologue to our future efforts here with respect to invoice financing. A big part of what we’re doing is actually looking at our supplier base on a segmented basis, opening up their opportunities to finance in a much bigger way by removing some of the constraints that have in place. And what we expect as we go forward is a set of much more competitive products, more competitively priced that ultimately will be focused on SMEs, in a big way. So, the large volume will come from smaller suppliers, even as one of our products is a direct interaction with larger sellers. And then there is another supporting dynamic going on with respect to Tungsten Network itself. And that is we at Tungsten view our client base as the global supply chain, the large number in that are what you have historically thought off as the sellers on the network. Through enrichment of the portal, both for TNF and the core AP Automation activity and through a set of products attendant to our adjacent services strategy, we are going to be engaging with that supply chain much more robustly through lots of means. And in doing so, we hope to create some emotional attachment by the suppliers to the Tungsten Network and that they will interact with us through financing, through other product offerings like currency conversions and the like in a much more fulsome way. So, sharp focus on supplier segmentation, the risks attendant to them, the better pricing and ultimately marketing priorities that will let us open up in a much broader way to the global supply chain and not be so dependent on a few large ones that sort of overweight us today. Unidentified Analyst Now, that’s great and I think that hits on it. Just to make sure I understand then that it’s no unreasonable to expect ongoing growth from the larger suppliers who have been registering and obviously using the platform and hopefully that will become more and more regular, but that doesn’t preclude a broader push to a much wider range in time of steadily smaller suppliers given the more attractive portal and so on; you’re going for both of those? Rick Hurwitz You’re hearing it exactly right. And it’s going after them with a much better understanding and much more tailored set of products to each direct engagement with the larger. So, there is actually a program potentially even hold book, but we’ll get you time with Prabhat, so you can hear some of the detail even more. Operator Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Paul Morland with Canaccord. Please go ahead. Paul Morland I had a couple of questions. So, the first one is a follow-up to Gareth really; just looking at it from a high level that number of engaged suppliers, 361; what, 0.2% of the 203,000 suppliers on the network. Do you have a -- is that the right way to look at it? And secondly, do you have a sort of target percentage of those that you think that in the fullness of time you can bring on-board; and is a sort of 6% yield, what people should be looking at? That’s the first question. The second question is a more sort of general question around Tungsten Network and its competitive positioning. Your competitors all seem to adopt slightly different approaches. And I just wondered how you saw that compared to the environment we’ve got Ariba obviously attached to an ERP system; you’ve got Basware; you’ve got people who go for close networks, people going for open networks. Can you just talk a little about how you see that competitive environment and how you see yourselves doing against those competitors in the coming two to three years? Rick Hurwitz Yes. So, a percentage against the 203,000 may not be the best way to look at it and perhaps drive your -- you are thinking just in couple of other ways. As we’ve begun the segment the supplier base and restructure our relationship and some of the operational underpinning and operational barriers remove, we look at it a sort of addressable market of circa 10,000 suppliers. Okay? And again, with the kind of segmentation that we talked about it’s going to let us offer products to each of those types. We recognize that we need to be more competitive in our pricing, and so put ourselves in position to be so. I think it’s worth noting in that regard, the Tungsten now has put over a £100 million of invoice financing yet, as you’re seeing the numbers has made very little against it. That’s because we had some issues with respect to the arrangements that the Company currently had in place. We’ve addressed those such that we’re in position today to be very profitable against that kind of scale, because that’s not a small amount of financing. We believe to be additive here in this business and in terms of contributing on that. We don’t -- that universe is a really large universe. And what makes us uniquely competitive in a sense is that we have this proprietary network. A lot of these lending clubs that have this peer-to-peer sort of lending activities, I think what you’re finding is there is huge cost attendant to advertising in just distribution reach. We’ve got a very different set of facts here, because of the proprietary nature of the Tungsten Network and the fact that those members are coming to our real estate every week to interact. We intend to enhance the emotional empathy of that space; we intend to enhance the richness of the experience there. Financing would be one activity that can go on, but we, through that space, look to engage with the suppliers in a much more robust way that lets us to carry a host of revenues including those financing volumes. Operator Thank you. We have no further questions in the queue. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Another question has just come through; it’s from the line of Peter McNally from Shore Capital. Please go ahead, Peter. Peter McNally Thanks. Hi guys. Just one quick one for me, following up something from capital markets day about there was some-- in the past, there was quite a bit of high employee turnover and it seemed like that had come under control. I wonder if you could say what’s happened sort of in the second half, not necessarily the net number, but the new hires versus the leavers, anything along those lines. Rick Hurwitz Thank you for your focus on people, because that’s the big area of importance to us and what we’re doing and for us to be successful at what we want to achieve. So, in essence over this fiscal year and certainly in the last four months, we have really been unwinding aspects of the legacy model and changing the behavior and mindsets of 400 odd employees. And we have done that very well. Today, there is a leadership in this business of 35 individuals that run others; and they believe. So, to the men and women, they are -- not only do they believe in the outcomes that we’re pursuing, they’re taking ownership over their aspect of it and they are inspiring the rest of the organization to do things better, to dream. And the attitudes and feelings and sort of level of carrying that exists today at Tungsten is demonstrable. We have put in place very meaningful values and reward mechanisms and with the end of fiscal year have been able to deliver on those, and reward the folks that are really pulling the training. I think it’s perhaps worth nothing that that turnover the way we’ve talked about it here is that was a good one. Not everybody has been able to make the turn of unwinding the model and working to a new set of activities with new attitudes, new expectations and sort of elevated round all of that. Among those 35 leaders of the business, there are 11 that were not here prior to my arrival and there are 10 of them that were promoted from deep within the organization. So, 45% represent folks that are the exact right skill sets and have the exact I can do attitudes to get the job done. We have almost half of them are women. And so, I could tell you that turnover -- we have the right people in the right place and they want to be here. And there is an attitude of carrying in the Company today that didn’t exist; people are being rewarded to take risk and to succeed, and it’s working. Operator Thank you. Our next question is from the line of [indiscernible]. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Unidentified Analyst Rick, I had two questions for you. One is the EBITDA profit line and some of the things you talked about for 2017, both in terms -- I guess my question is within this one, for being confident that you’re going to hit it; and two, kind of get us over into sustainable EBITDA as well, given some of the historic losses. And then secondly, whether or not you can talk about any more of the strategic initiatives you’re carrying out in terms of trying really leverage what we’ve got here into high profitability and again sustainable EBITDA and positive cash flow. Rick Hurwitz David, do you want to take the EBITDA question? David Williams Yes, sure. We have seen pretty consistently over the last 12 months increases in revenues and decreases in profit, and therefore an improvement in our EBITDA loss. Our business in the short-term is a relatively straightforward business to forecast because of the amount of deferred revenue that we have; and we typically sign up customers, recognize the revenue over the following 12 months. So, we have good line of sight over the next three to six months in terms of revenues and our cost base. The key question then is actually the new buyers that we’re signing up, the new products that we’re enhancing, the Tungsten Network Finance side of the business, when will that all kick in and when will that start to have a significant impact on our revenues in particular and therefore when during time in 2017 are we confident of achieving our monthly breakeven. And that’s why we have said we are very confident we’ll achieve it over 2017, but don’t want to have to push the cost base of the business to the point where it will start to impact medium term profitability in order to achieve that arbitrary date of April 2017. We want to give ourselves the flexibility to achieve it over the calendar 2017, which jus to repeat, we’re confident that we’re doing the right things to achieve that. Rick Hurwitz Yes, we can choose not for example to invest in terms of Network Finance, you will see on slide, I forget which it is, but 2.5 million of investment for it. But, I think our shareholders recognize the unique opportunity we have to leverage that investment into much, much, much higher returns, but it’s going to take a little bit of time. There is a restart going on with respect to that product offering. Now, in terms of achieving that profitability and the priorities that you referenced, I will summarize it this way. I think there is four big ones. The first is penetration; the second is product; the third is the invoice financing; the fourth part is these adjacent services and expansion of the benefits that the supply chain gets from being a member of the Tungsten Network. With respect to penetration, of the 175 buyers that Tungsten now enjoys relationships with, just under a third do over a 250,000 invoices a year. And I can tell you that these large corporations on average are doing well over a 1 million or 2 million, in some cases 7 million or 8 million invoices of their processing in a year. So, our penetration of that is very, very low. So, we as a Group have focused on a set of steps within our factory, a set of engagement routines with these clients to achieve a mutual confidence and moving to a fully digital environment, and that is happening. So, we have strategic account plans now that have us moving from the small level of penetration with certain accounts that want to go to 100% electronic, their profit in global economic demands are requiring it. So, again Tungsten has a very supportive macro backdrop and now we have a level of customer engagement that’s allowing us to work in that way. So, we expect our invoice volume to grow very meaningfully over the next four or five years. We’re forecasting 1.5 million new invoices in this next fiscal year, and we expect that to grow in multiples in the following. Product, I emphasized earlier that Tungsten and its predecessor companies were the pioneers in electronic invoicing. It doesn’t exist until they created. But then they lost that pedigree of initiating new product delivery; we’re bringing it back. We have three specific products this year that we’re making available to our clients on the network, outside of adjacent services. These are core AP Automation type capabilities. For example, Tungsten processes purchase orders on its network, every single day, but what it does with them is simply matches them up against an invoice, very beneficial for straight through processing results. But now we’ve sat with our customers, and say what is that need to look like in order for your procurement people to use that purchase order as the means of delivering it to your vendors. So, armed with that recipe in a set of pioneering partners, Tungsten looks to deliver purchase order presentation on its network. Talk about being supportive for the penetration effort, vendors will come to the network when that is the place they have to go to receive a purchase order. Again, we have pioneering customers with whom we’re working to deliver that. Tungsten Network Financing, we’re investing in it, because it represents very sizeable revenue and profit opportunity for us and long-term viability for this organization within that proprietary network. And then, these adjacent services, we have been working very hard to better understand, the facts are on our ground and suppliers interest through pop-up surveys that our portal through direct in our actions and through that work it is very clear to us that the high interest and currency conversion at the sight. And we look to actually launch that here very shortly, maybe even in next 30 days. And so through that, while low forecasted in the new fiscal year, we believe that’s going to be a meaningful revenue contributor and in fact bottom-line contributor as we partner with an outside organization to do it. And we have other such efforts in queue to follow. So, let me pause there; and I hope that gives you a sense of how to leverage these multiple connections on the network in some of the specific steps that we’re taking to do so. David Williams There’s been a few questions online, which we will try and work through now. Just working from bottom up, there has been a question about Brexit and the impact of the EU referendum results on Tungsten. So, I’ll just cover off on that very briefly. Since the referendum, we have not noted any impact on our business, both on the ongoing business or on the buying decisions of our customers or our prospective new customers. From a currency perspective, we are relatively well natural hedged in that our U.S. denominated costs and revenues are close and our euro denominated costs and revenues are close. We have a significant outsource center based in Kuala Lumpur, which needs to be funded from overseas currencies and that is the one currency that we are short on. Operationally, we see no change. We see opportunities. Companies will still need to trade internationally. The Tungsten core AP Automation product, one of its key characteristics is its cross-border compliance. And to the extent compliance more complicated or various changes as a result of the UK leaving the EU, than that is an opportunity for Tungsten. Finally, we do hold a lot of data, there is -- there are global, but primarily EU and U.S. data legislation requirements that we have to meet. At the moment, our EU data center is based in the UK. We don’t know whether we will need to have an actual EU data center post the UK actually leaving the EU. But we do have a contingency plan in place for if we are required to do that. So, I hope that helps to answer. Rick Hurwitz And I’ll add just one area of emphasis to the Brexit question, which is the people here in Tungsten; we play a veritable UN [ph] with multiple languages and individuals from multiple countries in the EU. And there is a concern, a fear if you will among them as to how this may impact their ability to work in London and for Tungsten. And we have reassured them, I’m in the same boat if you will, right, and on resident working here but we employ these people, we employ them for their skills and experiences that they have and we will do everything we can to continue to employ them, and we’ve assured them of that. David Williams Operator, it is 10’o clock which I think call time on the earnings call. So, thank you all very much for dialing in. And we look forward to speaking to you again soon.
chemistdude: Https:// Tungsten Corporation – Who Knew eInvoicing Could Be So Exciting? It is somewhat ironic that the business of eInvoicing which we might think of as somewhat dull and boring, has created one of the most fascinating business stories of recent times. Tungsten Corporation was created by the vision of Edi Truell, who created a publicly quoted firm from OB10, the well-established eInvoicing leaders, and a bank, purchased to provide the funding to extend the offering into supply chain finance (SCF). Truell is a well-respected City figure with some big successes to his name. The firm was floated on the London AIM market at 225p a share in 2013, and after initial gains, was attacked by “short sellers” who felt the shares were overvalued and succeeded in driving down the price to some 50p a share a few months back. Meanwhile, Truell stepped back from day to day running, and under new CEO Richard Hurwitz, the firm seemed to have turned a corner with the share price rising a little this year. Meanwhile, the eInvoicing underlying business continued to be pretty successful, although uptake of the SCF offering was slower than planned and the firm is still loss-making. A spend analytics option (which we like, and indeed wrote about here) was also launched. But now, there is drama in the Tungsten world. Truell, who owns 16% of the firm, has made an offer to buy Tungsten, at around 80p per share and stick it together with some of his private corporate interests, creating a new private business. “He set out a plan that stopped short of bidding for the full firm, but would see him buy Tungsten’s network arm and combine it with his telematics business Tantalum and various other assets” says the Telegraph. Not sure I fully get that – the “network arm” would seem to be basically the core of Tungsten’s business. However, the Board of Tungsten have rejected these proposals, saying it “found them to date to be universally without merit for shareholders.” Tungsten shareholders would end up with a minority stake in a privately controlled and illiquid business. Truell responded to that by resigning from the Board and implying that the Tungsten board had encouraged him to make an offer, and that he might even put in a hostile bid for the firm. Meanwhile his brother Danny (I’m thinking “Dallas” here, for those of you of a certain age) is still a non-exec on the Tungsten Board – and is keeping quiet. I haven’t met Truell although Jason Busch has. However, we did question some of his more optimistic claims when he was running the firm; for instance, he got investors rather excited about the prospect of a huge German public sector eInvoicing deal. Anyone who knows the German public sector always thought it very unlikely that the central government would ever mandate some national eInvoicing solution when the states (Länder) and even cities are so powerful. So we’re not sure he did a lot of good for the firm with some of those claims about future growth prospects, and his whole "buy a bank" strategy unwound with the bank being sold a few months back. The current management have been much more measured and seem to be focused on steadily building the business. Having said that, shareholders who bought at £2 a share might not be averse to selling out having seen their investment drop considerably. So there is a price as always at which Truell could buy the firm; but would he want to be the guy who floated the firm at £2.25 and bough it back at £1? That would not do his reputation too much good. Does any of this matter to customers? Tobe honest, not really, as long as it does not lead to a period of uncertainty. It is more important to the firm that the SCF and analytics offerings realise their potential, building on the market-leading eInvoicing position. But the dynamics of this tussle are fascinating to follow anyway.
chemistdude: Wonder what this paper deal would have been with Tantalum. Could do with some clarity e.g Say Tantalum valued at £300m was it for a minority stake of 40% (£120m) thus putting say a floor of ~£1.20 in the TUNG share price?
bs76: ;) Shorts report out - no update for Tung. And Tung share price closed over MA200 - if that matters
chemistdude: Http:// As for Tungsten …… BE This does look rather like the strategy unravelling BE Interims are poor. Bank’s on the block to raise cash. BE Shore says ……… BE Tungsten interim results are well below expectations. While revenue for the interim period of £13.1m is up 28.4%, full year expectations assumed 38.3% growth but are being reduced again in the company’s outlook to £27.5m. We note that 2016 revenue expectations were gradually reduced from £85.9m earlier this year. The EBITDA loss of £9.5m is also greater than expected and the company is managing the current expected £13.0m loss for the full year to no more than £19.0m. While this is clearly disappointing versus the expectations, it is likely not a massive surprise given the share price decline from the 80p level after the full year results in July to 41p yesterday. There has also been a considerable level of short interest of 5.2% so the shares have been volatile already this morning. The good news is appears the company is close (exclusivity agreement) to selling off the bank it acquired July 2014 to an unnamed buyer. Although no price has yet been disclosed, the process will take PRA approval which will likely be six to twelve months. This would release precious cash that was being tied up by regulatory requirements. The Group’s cash position is expected to be at least £8m excluding the cash in Tungsten Bank, or no less than £33m including cash currently held in the Bank by the end of FY’16 so we see no significant cash constraints in the near future assuming the sale goes through. Progress with financing has been minimal and the on-boarding of new suppliers has not been as good as expected. We plan to gain more insight on the company’s conference call this morning on these topics. While Tungsten is not expected to be generating profits until 2018, it trades on quite a low multiple of sales when cash is excluded. The company’s market capitalisation of £51.4m includes £33.7m of cash (the majority restricted but expected to be released within twelve months) and on this basis trade at 0.6x EV/Sales. BE Or if you prefer, Canaccord BE Which I’d guess is shop here. BE EBITDA and FCF are on improving trends. EBITDA loss improved to £9.5m in H1 FY16 from £13.2m in H1 FY15. Similarly, Equity FCF loss improved to £9.6m from £15.4m in H2 FY15 and £17.2m in H1 FY15. EBITDA and FCF should improve further: H1 FY16 EBITDA loss of £9.5m includes £2.4m of one-off costs and approximately £1m of fixed costs in Tungsten Bank that should be eliminated with the sale of the bank. Therefore, ‘underlying’ EBITDA loss was £6.1m in H1 FY16. Free cash outflow tracks EBITDA closely, at £1.1m per month and about £0.9m per month excluding losses from the bank itself. As a result, we conservatively expect net cash including Tungsten Bank to fall to £33m by FYE16 from £39.7 at the end of H1 FY16. Tungsten plans to reach EBITDA breakeven by the end of FY17. Going forward costs and expenses are not expected to rise while revenues continue to rise, driven by supplier and buyer additions, price increases, increased automation of onboarding and increased momentum in Tungsten Early Payment and ancillary services, including analytics. BE H1 FY16 ‘Underlying’ EBITDA of £6.1m and free cash outflow of approximately £0.9m per month excluding Tungsten Bank compare favourably against net cash, excluding cash in Tungsten Bank, of £15.9m plus an expected consideration of approximately £30m from the sale of Tungsten Bank. In comparison, Tungsten’s market cap is £51m, which implies limited value for the business itself. We lower our SoTP target price from 84p to 76p (Tungsten Early Payment 21p; Tungsten Network 65p; central costs -37p; FY16 net cash 26p).
prowlersanarse: Tungsten Corp – interim results statement hilarity, are management trying to fool us or are they fooling themselves? By Steve Moore | Wednesday 16 December 2015 Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours. I wrote this article myself, and it expresses my own opinions. I am not receiving compensation for it (other than from ShareProphets). I have no business relationship with any company whose stock is mentioned in this article. The financial highlights from today’s interim results announcement from Tungsten Corp (TUNG) include “Loss after tax of £17.6m (H1-FY15: £14.7m loss)”, but not to worry as Chairman Nick Parker reassures that the company “is making progress, achieving strong revenue growth and concluding encouraging customer renewal agreements… with a strong pipeline of new customers and prioritisation of activities that accelerate the realisation of profitable business, I believe Tungsten is well placed to deliver sustainable growth”. Hmmm… Despite the results statement also including the likes of “total volume of new suppliers was fewer than anticipated” and “revenue from Tungsten Analytics in the period was £33,000… Revenue from Tungsten Early Payment was £0.1m”, apparently the company “were pleased with the results in this period”, “is encouraged by the growth in suppliers' interest in the current Tungsten Early Payment offering” and “progress is being made with our Tungsten Early Payment and Tungsten Analytics offerings”. Hmmm… On 'Early Payment' it added that “no revenue was recognised on invoice receivables financed by Insight as the invoices transacted featured introductory discount rates. We expect to meet the required hurdle rates in H2-FY16” and that it “is encouraged by the growth in suppliers' interest in the current Tungsten Early Payment offering, although the uptake remains slower than anticipated”. Hmmm. On 'Analytics' there is hilarity as despite this now having been demonstrated to or trialled by more than 50% of e-Invoicing buyer customers and apparently “in general, the feedback has been positive… at the initial pricing levels quoted none agreed to purchase the product”! Despite this, we are told that having varied the approach, “making product alterations based on buyer feedback and changing the pricing structure… we remain confident in the long-term prospects of the product”. Hmmm. Despite all the above, we are also told of board confidence that “Tungsten is on track to achieve break-even on an EBITDA basis by the end of FY17” and that, with an approximately £30 million sale of its bank agreed and other initiatives underway, “the board is confident that Tungsten will have the cash resources required to meet the leadership team's break-even target”. We’ll see, but the detail of this latest update doesn’t exactly inspire confidence – and neither does ludicrous management speak such as the company “resets expectations about the trajectory of its opportunity” and has “evolved our vision such that Tungsten aims to be the world's most trusted business transaction network using data intelligently to strengthen the global supply chain”. The share price suggests the market is not buying it (literally), and, as I’ve said continually (see, for example, HERE and HERE) neither do I. Data as of the end of last week showed short interest still from the likes of GSA Capital Partners (1.49%), JPMorgan Asset Management UK (1.01%), Oxford Asset Management (0.89%), Numeric Investors (0.82%) and Hutchin Hill Capital (0.68%). I can continue to understand why. The shares are a sell - See more at: hxxp://
bs76: Tung share price was over 300 between 18th August and 11th Nov. There was no rns from Odey in that time period. So Odey never bought over 300. Filter "Holding(s) in company" by date hxxp:// There was rns on 17th nov when Odey doubled his position from 4.9m to 10.2m. High price on that day was 279.75. I suppose that is his highest price. His latest buying after the crash 2m shares at 80p in May placing 1.5m In Sept at around 62p 6.5m from Fil in Sept at around 60p 2.4m this month at around around 40p Half of his stock (25.1m) bought below 80 I think his average must be around 1.50. Still loosing a Lot !!!!!:)
chemistdude: Tough breaks mount up for Tungsten Bold claims roll off the tongue of serial entrepreneur Edi Truell when discussing his latest venture, Tungsten Corp. The digital invoicing group’s clients control “12 per cent of world trade”; it operates in 48 countries; its software could help the National Health Service save “£100m a year”; it can offer better financing rates than some of the biggest banks in the world. A look at Tungsten’s recent performance, however, suggests that others are not so bullish about its prospects. Its share price has dropped 83 per cent since a peak last September — a fall Mr Truell concedes is eroding confidence in the company’s customers, staff and regulators. The Aim-quoted group holds a general meeting on Monday to approve a £17.5m share placing announced last month to improve its cash position. When Mr Truell launched Tungsten in February 2012, his aim was to buy an existing financial services company in a high-growth industry. In 2013 it paid £99m in cash and shares for OB10, an electronic invoicing company that had accumulated losses of £52.3m since it was founded in 2000. Mr Truell, who made his name as a dealmaker, founding private equity firm Duke Street Capital in 1998, must have one of the best address books in the City. High-profile figures he persuaded to buy into his dream of “disrupting” the banking industry include Crispin Odey, the hedge fund manager; Michael Spencer, the ICAP chief executive; and Canaccord Genuity banker Peter Kiernan. All are now sitting on large paper losses. Investors are voicing increasing disillusionment with Mr Truell’s management style and the company’s business plan. Tungsten raised £160m at a £225m valuation when it floated on London’s junior market in October 2013 — the largest initial public listing on Aim since 2008. Shares began trading at 225p. Mr Odey, founder of Odey Asset Management, says: “Tungsten was priced too aggressively when it came to the market. It was a slightly overhyped story.” Since its listing, investors’ concerns about Tungsten have centred on three areas: it has been harder and more expensive to sign up customers to its e-invoicing platform than anticipated; the invoice-financing business has been less profitable than projected; and the company has made U-turns, notably around the Tungsten bank. Truell on Truell The entrepreneur in his own words “The speed at which we thought Tungsten would get its banking licence and create global payments systems may have been rose-tinted spectacles on the Truell part.” “I’m an impatient, uncomfortable person to work for. I’m very demanding, both of myself and others.” “We are determined to sprint. It’s a race to global leadership.” “I have an audited record of making my investors an average of 29% per annum over 22 years of investing. I believe that Tungsten will add to that record.” In January the group reported a loss before tax of £14.8m for the six months to October 31. “Tungsten is a good idea. The problem they have is that it takes quite a long time to sign up customers and clients,” says Mr Odey. The disappointing progress was poorly communicated to investors. Jonathan Herbert, managing partner at Cologny Advisors, the hedge fund, who is a former investor, says: “The product is great. But Tungsten should have been more upfront with investors that the business was progressing slower than expected. There is a lot of hype and the substantiation behind it is not there.” Delays did not deter the company from branching out beyond its core e-invoicing business into other areas before it was cash generative. “The critical issue is the cash burn of around £1.5m a month when it was building up the business,” says Mr Herbert. “It should have raised cash when shares were trading at 300p, not at 80p.” Mr Truell is unapologetic. “We are determined to sprint,” he says. “It’s a race to global leadership . . . If we don’t get there fast, then someone in Hyderabad [an Indian centre for technology] will overtake us on the inside.” The invoice-financing division also turned out to be less profitable than expected. Meanwhile, investors have expressed frustration with changes in the company’s strategic direction. In May Tungsten indicated that it was examining the potential sale of its banking arm — which it had bought for £30m less than a year earlier. Some were disconcerted when Mr Truell announced last month that he was stepping down as chief executive into the newly created role of vice-chairman. Rick Hurwitz, who joined in April 2014, was promoted to chief executive. The critical issue is the cash burn of around £1.5m a month when it was building up the business. It should have raised cash when shares were trading at 300p, not at 80p - Jonathan Herbert, Cologny Advisors Mr Truell says his skills lie in winning high-level deals with large multinational corporations and governments. He is a Conservative party donor, chairs the London Pensions Fund Authority and, with his brother, set up the Pensions Corporation, a £13.8bn pensions buyout specialist. He is unconcerned about staff turnover — the chief financial officer has left and Mr Spencer has stepped down from the board — and suggests that different people are needed for the company’s next phase. Tungsten has signed an invoice-financing agreement with Insight Investment, part of the Bank of New York Mellon group. Mr Odey is keeping his long position in Tungsten, and expects it to make £8m in profits in two years, on a loan book of £260m to £300m. Mr Truell is backing his own horse, having bought more than £4m of shares since January. It is unclear whether the remainder of Mr Truell’s roster of friends will stick around long enough to see Tungsten make a profit. He was notably absent from Mr Spencer’s 60th birthday party in Marrakech this month.
bpc10: From Paul Scott today: Trading update - this company is really far too speculative to be included in these value-orientated reports, but seeing as I got caught up in the excitement last year, and have written about it extensively here, then it seems worth carrying on. Recap - after being very positive about the blue sky opportunity in 2014, I turned neutral to mildly bearish on Tungsten shares earlier this year, and explained why in my reports here as follows; 16 Feb 2015 - at 212.5p - "I must admit to having gone a bit wobbly over it in recent weeks, as it became clear that things were taking longer, and costing more than planned". 24 Feb 2015 - at 161p - I flagged up the shorting attack on the company, and concluded that, "I'm sorry to say that my confidence in Tungsten appears to have been misplaced, at least in the short term". Also, I commented that, "I suspect Tungsten will need to raise more cash too, although that has been done with ease in the past, so may not necessarily be a problem". I took a lot of flak at the time for changing my mind about this share, but as the facts had changed (a major reduction in broker expectations, slipped out without informing the market properly), then I changed my mind (to echo the famous phrase attributed to Keynes!). Also it became increasingly clear that the CEO, Edi Truell, had over-hyped expectations for the whole thing, big time. This led to a valuation that was far in excess of what it should have been, peaking at 399p in Sep 2014. 555491233404aTUNG_chart_2.JPG It also became clear, on doing more research, that what Tungsten were doing - linking together an e-invoicing system, with financing to offer seamless early payment, i.e. invoice discounting, was not actually unique at all. Indeed, recently I stumbled by accident upon another UK listed company which is doing very much the same thing as Tungsten, although possibly on a smaller scale, and is already profitable, called Proactis Holdings (LON:PHD) (disclosure: I hold shares in Proactis). Anyway, getting back to today's update from Tungsten, here are a few comments on each section; Special Offer: Invest like Buffett, Slater and Greenblatt. Click here for details » Trading for y/e 30 Apr 2014 - this sounds encouraging until you get to the very last word (or figure); 555488a888008TUNG_1405.JPG It's difficult to get excited about the company being ahead of expectations, when the expectations were for a dire performance of £22.5m turnover, and a loss of £31.2m! Although having said that, everyone understands that Tungsten is in the rapid growth, cash burning stage of its development. Tungsten Network - there's lots of detail about this growing. That's all fine, but the invoice processing is basically a loss-leader for what we hope will be the profitable activity of invoice discounting, so this section can safely be ignored I think. Tungsten Bank & early payment - Tungsten seems to have made a mistake in buying its own bank, since funding for the invoice discounting was arranged elsewhere through Insight Investments. So Tungsten Bank stopped taking deposits last week, as basically it doesn't need them - the existing arrangement with Insight is providing adequate financing for now. It's still early days, as the invoice financing only started recently, but a total of £32m invoices having been financed so far is chicken feed. They're only financed for say 30-60 days remember, so that's next to nothing in income for TUNG. The penetration rate is a key number, and that is reported at 6.6% for SMEs targeted. That's lower than the 10% rate suggested some time ago. Although it does at least show there is some demand for the service, and this number could perhaps be improved on over time. So 10% doesn't look out of the range of possibilities at all. The "average yield" on invoices financed is disclosed as 4.5% for large corporates, and 12.4% for SMEs. Trouble is, it's not disclosed what proportion of that Tungsten receive after paying Insight. A very encouraging statistic however is that "customers using Tungsten Early Payment finance repeatedly use the service, financing an average of 79% of the value of their available invoices". Other comments relate to teething problems about the length of time, and perhaps laborious set-up process. Tungsten Analytics - the company continues to make positive noises about this service, to analyse invoices and find cost savings, but there's not really anything to measure progress yet. There are 40 customers trialing it at the moment. International expansion - the company talks about breaking into the Indian market, and Japan, and setting up local offices. More cash burn, in other words! Funding - as I correctly anticipated, Tungsten needs more cash, which they admit today, and is likely to be the main reason the shares have fallen recently; 55548ca08eddbTUNG_cash.JPG I recently learned an expensive & painful lesson with Synety (LON:SNTY) where I assumed that a small fundraising would be easy, but actually it turned out to be a nightmare, with the share price halving. So my view now is to keep well away from any loss-making company which is going to need more cash. Having said that, Edi Truell might be able to pull it off, if he can rekindle excitement in the company with deep pocketed investors. Although I reckon he'll find it a lot harder, as the sheen has very much come off this share, as the original targets were missed by a mile, and it seems likely to be heavily cash burning for several more years. Board changes - there have been some board changes, with Edi Truell stepping down as CEO, and becoming Vice Chairman - it sounds to me like he's going to be out & about, schmoozing clients & financiers, in order to get some more dosh raised! That's what he's good at, so it makes sense. Outlook - bascially says they're going to continue expanding, and and even look at acquisition opportunities. My opinion - it's very interesting what they are trying to do, but I can't help feeling that they are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. I think Tungsten is going to need a LOT of fresh cash - I'm thinking something like £100m, to continue with the current, very expensive business model of heavy cash burn up-front, in the hope that customers' suppliers will then use the invoice discounting. There are some encouraging, but very early stage signs that the invoice discounting might work well. However, the key issue for now is cash. The company needs to do a substantial capital raise, and I'd rather sit on the sidelines and wait for that to happen. There's a risk the share price could spiral down, and investors may demand a deep discount for putting in fresh cash, now the story is somewhat tainted from having failed to achieved what was originally promised. hxxp://
trotterstrading: Basically 'speculators’ are betting heavily against the TUNG share price. ‘Short’ positions – bets that the price will continue to fall are the current 'in trade' for this share, it is nothing to do with the prospects of the company in the medium term, it's a herd mentality, the more shorters jump on-board the more follow and the cycle repeats, however when a majority are betting one way, it doesn’t take much in the way of positive news to see large a swing in the opposite direction, as the herd then rush to cover their shorts - leading to a short squeeze? Since I’m not trading this stock I don’t really care where the bottom is, rather what is more important is at what price level do I think this becomes a compelling investment for my 3-5 year investment horizon? My answer is, right here, right now £2.03, just bought yet another tranche – thank-you Mr Shorter for giving me the opportunity
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