Provexis Share Discussion Threads

[bareknee] 15/10/2015 11:58

No worries, just checked your posting history.

There won't be a quoted market for warrants in Jubilee, but, unless there was a restriction on them when they were issued ( unlikely ) then warrant holders will be able to sell their warrants at any time, but they'll have to find someone to buy them.

Basically that means that, theoretically, they can probably sell the warrants without exercising them, but, in reality, they'd almost certainly just exercise them.

BB

[librag] 15/10/2015 11:49

OK thanks anyway.

[bareknee] 15/10/2015 11:46

Graham

The only warrants I've had have been for investment trusts and they were tradeable directly ( ie without exercising them ) with the price being dependent on the exercise price, share price at the time and the date they were exercisable.

BB

[librag] 14/10/2015 19:25

Bernie, can I check something with the oracle?

It's about warrants. Basically do you have to exercise them before selling them on, say into an expected share price rise in the short term?

Doffs cap to he who knows.

[librag] 09/10/2015 15:51

5M OK trade, looks like a buy? It's been a while since I topped up so added again. The chart looks potentially interesting and I wonder who spent £25K or so?

[librag] 06/10/2015 11:26

Sorry Bernie, next time I'll put a health warning at the top first, for those of delicate disposition.

FWIW, if we need money for BP work, I'll be very interested to support that (with the right people doing the work) but I can see your point.

I do think that Drag-on and Hard-on have a certain onomatopoeic ring to them, don't you?

[bareknee] 06/10/2015 11:21

Graham

Please don't cut and paste stuff like that. It makes me filtering / ignoring posters a tad pointless.

Ta

[bareknee] 06/10/2015 11:19

RP

Thanks for that, it doesn't really surprise me. Sounds like they're just finding things to do to try to justify their existence and it wouldn't surprise me if the idea came from some well meaning, but ultimately bewildered, shareholders who aren't happy with just sitting back and waiting for income to come in from DSM and the BP studies to show something worthwhile.

If they look like they're going to start spending large amounts of money on it that we don't have, then I'm minded to just sell up and move on.

Ford's all right but Buck's a bit of a waste of space.

BB

[librag] 05/10/2015 19:09

Rich; per-per-per-per-perfect. :)

[redprince] 05/10/2015 16:55

BB - no they did not and frankly the questions were virtually non existent!Having asked a very specific question and received a cut n paste reply that told me squat I gave up.

Asking them owt about the new product and earnings would have been the same as they will have no more idea than us.When you factor in DB enthusing about how much pr the shareholders could generate was for me the final nail in the coffin.

He has sat back and been a party to a criminal waste of resource here and the online product does to my mind make us look desperate and amateurish.

Far too little too late imo.

[rich1952] 05/10/2015 16:42

I'll tell ya one thing Granville, this share's a ffffffffffffflipping ddddddddog!

[bareknee] 05/10/2015 13:19

No worries Arkwright.

[librag] 05/10/2015 12:43

Fair enough Granville.
:)

[bareknee] 05/10/2015 10:39

RP

Did anyone ask the obvious question about our own product at the AGM as to when they thought it would be earnings enhancing ?

If they did then my bet is that the question was neatly swerved.

It's basically going back to the Nutrinnovator days of 8 or 9 years ago. So long as it's not loss making I don't really mind them keeping themselves a bit busier, but it does seem pretty pointless.

BB

[librag] 03/10/2015 19:57

RP; agreed.

[redprince] 03/10/2015 13:55

I do not really see the benefit of releasing our own product when we have zero means of marketing it.DB even suggesting that shareholders couldl do it is risible given the bod's previous aversion to even putting trial results data or a product list on the website!

To be frank any credibility that he may have had expired when he stayed on post sis.That is why I cannot take him seriously and on Wednesday he was giving yet more cryptic teasers about future good news...

IF seems genuine to me and always takes the time to ring you back and and answer questions as best he can.

[wheelds] 03/10/2015 13:20

LibraG:-
Competition is good, competition makes you try harder, sell more:-
Based on your analysis:-
Year one = N*1 = 1 person knocking on your door covering say 10 streets a day with just say 10 interested customer per street = 10 * 10 = 100 new customers;
and only if after knocking on all the doors he only made £100 you would have (£100*365days = (£36,500 per year) (OUR REVENUE FOR LAST YEAR)

Year two N*2 = 2 persons knocking on your door covering say 20 streets a day times 10 new customers a day ;(£200*365)
£73,000 REVENUE COMING IN a year)

THEN IN SAY YEAR 3 YOU HAVE 50 products = N50 = 50 persons covering 500 streets a day times 365 days £5000*365 =
(£1.825 MILLION REVENUE COMING IN year on year)

So, as DSM basically said at last AGM it normally takes 3 to 4 years to get a new product established and making good profits and at last results DSM stated Fruitflow year on year is increasing in profit.

And then you have different countries now selling Fruitflow plus products.
So, only a very depressed and negative thinking person would believe having
50 plus products on sale in different countries, in different zones by different companies with niche customers all competing against each other to sell more and more = still EQUALS only N. (is just beyond belief)

[librag] 03/10/2015 10:30

Terry; managed to work out that non-existent head and shoulders yet?

[librag] 03/10/2015 10:25

RP; many of those products are competing with each other, so an extra 100 won't make much difference. We need, I think, to expand our share of the supplements market. To date, niche products alone are inadequate.

Unfortunately none of the terminally stupid seem to understand this. Let's say the market (or our share of it) is worth N. With 2 products we've got 2 X N/2, = N. With 10 products we've got 10 x N/10, ... err ... which still = N.

Drag-on-and-on and the unthinking hangers-on-and-on make this basic mistake. The trouble is, it's an infectious meme. Take some antibiotics.

:) Blood pressure effects are the way forward but it will cost. Do we trust these plonkers to deliver? Judging by DB's comments, I'm not convinced.

[redprince] 02/10/2015 21:05

50 products www and nowhere near breakeven.we probably need another 100 to make a decent profit and even then we are looking at 2p/share.

When I asked them on Wednesday about the specific reasons that have thus far prevented large scale launches I got a DSM 3-4 years for big companies cut n paste answer ie he completely avoided answering my question.

It is down to cost imo - the cost per dose is still too high for the big boys to take a £30-£40m gamble on it.

[terrys trousers] 02/10/2015 16:40

same old same